I am retired now, I did not get my SS report this year.. and you know what

[Peacetrain]

I can look it up on the computer.. My 82 year old Mother can go to the seniors center or library to look up hers or call the church will look it up etc.

Not sending out all those reports on trees are good for the environment.. and with the battle in the economy and cuts looming.. well you know what.. cut the paper... Keep WIC! Keep EFNEP! Keep Early Head Start and Head Start.

[RC]

1. And all those people that do not have computers?

Not everyone is wired... or wireless as the case may be. And for too many, E-mail is a struggle. I know people like that.

[Peacetrain]

2. I live in a small town in the midwest.. and everyone in town has access

to the library if they don't have a computer of their own. I worked with our women's centers and local shelters till I retired last December.. everyone has access to a computer if they needed it.

[madinmaryland]

4. It is not always the point that there is access, it is the fact that a lot of older

people just don't get or understand the internets. Yes, with my Dad of that age and in a retirement community he has seen lots of folks who just don't get it and/or have no interest in it.

Edited to add: I do think that internet access to your SS statement is important and a good step. I think there should also be an option for those who still want to receive theirs as on paper. I interestingly found out the you could check and confirm your Selective Service registration on-line. Like the social security internet access, I didn't know either had internet access, until the last couple of weeks.

:shrug:

[Peacetrain]

8. Again.. access is as close as the library. Even the very elderly

Retirement communities have computers. If people are so disinterested or incapacitated that they cannot access their statements.. it is better than letting statements lay around for anyone to get their hands on.

[madinmaryland]

14. The point is not that. There are some people who actually have no clue

about the computer. My MIL is a perfect example. She can and does balance that budgets, but is scared shitless of a computer. They really just do not get the internet, and it is not disinterest or incapacitation. And at 86, give her a break! I just wish she would give my wife a break! :)

[Peacetrain]

17. I know I hear you..

But those of us already retired.. our benefits are already set.. to be honest with you mad..it is you working people who need that yearly report to make sure the information reported is correct..

[madinmaryland]

29. You know what is funny, is that my Dad probably already knows about this.

I had not heard of it until you posted it! He's 83 and I'm 50! I wish they had sent something out (by mail) to alert me of this change. I can access every other account, so why not SS info!

I hope you don't think I was implying that people who are retired are computer illiterate. That was not my intention.

[Peacetrain]

35. You can..

Go here http://www.ssa.gov/

that is where I went to figure out if I could afford to retire early..

[spooky3]

141. "In light of the current budget situation, we have suspended issuing Social Security Statements. "

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/mystatement/

"You may be able to estimate your retirement benefit using our online Retirement Estimator."

[Obamanaut]

111. My MIL is 96 and lives in a nursing home. In one of the activity/meeting rooms

there is a table with three internet ready computers, and there are assistants who can help any resident who needs such. My MIL does not use these computers - she usually doesn't recognize her daughter. My point is, they are available.

We also have a public library with a bank of computers.

[Ilsa]

10. My father only has bad memories of computers from

His working days when payroll was first automated. He worked longer hours because of all the early debugging that went on. He won't touch one.

He's almost 85 and homebound. No getting out to the library for him if he wanted to surf (he doesn't need to look up SS benefits), just church and doctor appointments, mostly. Getting Internet service for anyone else in his house would run $50/month. Thats why I have a 3G plan to keep me wired when I'm taking care of him. thats also why the heavy slant toward tech prices in COLA is so aggravating.

Odd. I swear I got a SS statement for myself (I'm 52) just recently.

[Peacetrain]

16. So many families I worked with Ilsa, had no address..no home, no place

to mail anything, because they changed their addresses so often.. This would be much better for them. Those of us now retired.. well our benefits are already set.. so the whole senior citizen like my own 82 year old mother is really the least of our worries. Those that need the information to make sure that their work history is correct are those not retired...

[bobbolink]

74. Please post the name of the town, so everyone can move there.

Obviously, it is a very good place to live, and since it is such a marvelous town, I'm sure the townspeople will welcome with open arms all those who don't have the resources they need.

[TheWraith]

3. Sooner or later, society has to move on.

We don't still have horse troughs outside public buildings to accommodate people without cars. I know it's not the same, but there does come a point when we should reexamine some things.

[Modern_Matthew]

7. Yep. We can't cater to every outlier of modern society. nt

[Peacetrain]

6. And economically strapped families that move a lot..

the whole mail thing is a joke. Families who are homeless..have no address to send paper reports to.

[Modern_Matthew]

5. +1 Holding onto relics of the past when there's better alternatives just makes no sense to me. nt

[Omaha Steve]

9. It was on a DU post earlier today

The paper notices have ended. Budget cuts for postage and printing.

[Peacetrain]

13. If that is the kind of cuts that the Democrats have agreed to .. I am okay with that

Let us just hope that all the cuts they have agreed to would be so easy to live with

[Sherman A1]

20. I just got mine yesterday in the mail

so I suspect that they have not stopped sending them out. I actually like getting them, but I would think it could be done every other year and have no serious effect on the information stream.

[Peacetrain]

32. To be honest with you.. I do not know when or if it will start.. I am just responding

to other ops seen here.. of all the things that would bother me the least to get cut, it would be the annual ss report.. because we have only been getting them for the last 10 years anyway.. so no big whoop.. and if they cut this instead of another program .. I am okay with that.

[Fumesucker]

11. Out of sight out of mind..

Just one step in many on the way to getting rid of SS, at least that's my opinion and in light of the fact that a payroll tax "holiday" was declared for the first time ever this year I think it's an arguable one.

[SpartanDem]

18. This has been done for the last 10 of 70+ years

but this the precursor to ending SS? No this not arguable it stupid.

[Fumesucker]

61. By itself, no, but but it together with a lot of other political trends..

I know I have become used to getting the mailing and I liked it, it's nice to get a communication from the government that isn't dunning me for money or forcing me into involuntary servitude.

[bobbolink]

78. Actually, this is a HUGE step in getting rid of a lot of POOR PEOPLE.

You can see the joy that is expressed for doing that.

:puke:

[Curmudgeoness]

12. Although I think this is a good idea, I do have a problem

with the lack of information on this change. I have heard that they will not be mailed any longer because I keep up on news from all over, but I have not heard this widely reported. I also do not know where I am supposed to go to get the information. Not that it matters to me, I figure they will keep changing the rules and the information will be useless to me.

[madinmaryland]

22. That is another problem I see. I had not heard anything about this until

this thread. How in the hell do I access it? Should there have been a formal notice (by regular mail) notifying Americans of this change? And also, shouldn't it have allowed those who wanted it, to continue receiving copies by mail?

:shrug:

[katnapped]

24. Yeah, exactly

I'm a long way from retirement but still I'd like to know what I have in. Will there be some way to find out or are we just screwed ("oh well if you don't know, you won't have to worry about it when we steal it")

[Curmudgeoness]

67. Good point. They probably decided it wasn't such a good idea

to give us annual info on what we were going to get....since they hope that is not what we are going to get.

[Peacetrain]

26. Here you go..

http://www.ssa.gov/

also your local ss office

[madinmaryland]

30. Huh? I didn't even know they had a web site!!

Maybe if didn't spend so much time on DU...

:D

[Peacetrain]

33. That is how I applied for my SS.. I retired early and took early SS.. but

needed to know how much I was going to collect and if I could afford it.. and just to make sure I then went to my local SS office.. talk about double checking :)

[Exilednight]

15. In all honesty, it's not doing much to save the environment.

The materials needed to build a computer, the energy to power one, and so on and so forth are of no great reduction in greenhouse gases.

If computers were built to last for 15-20 years, then you'd be on to something. But in a side by side comparison, electronic notifications do not save much, if any, in the way of greenhouse gases or damage to the environment.

[Peacetrain]

21. Well lets say postage.. just postage.. hmm that is going to be some bucks

If I had a choice of funding Early Head Start, or WIC or getting a hard copy of my SS report (Which by the way, we have only been doing for the last 10 years) I will take those funds for WIC etc..

[Exilednight]

36. Your savings becomes completely void once the government starts

having to clean up the environment from disposed electronics. Have you ever seen an electronic landfill? I have, they're nasty and really expensive.

But before we give ourselves a pat on the back, do you know what toxins are in a computer? The list is long, and frightening.

Lead, PVC, retardants, chromium, mercury, beryllium, and cadmium are all found in a single desktop and monitor system. When placed in a landfill, these toxins leech out; this poses severe health risks, such as damage to the brain, liver, kidneys, lungs, and reproduction system. Exposure to these toxins can also harm fetal development.

Despite landfill safety codes and regulations, the liners between the ground and the landfill are almost guaranteed to break at some point. When a liner breaks, the toxins in the contents of the landfill leech into the ground and subsequently into the soil and groundwater. Eventually the toxins find their way into our produce (through the soil) and our water supplies (through the water table).

http://blog.cheetahdeals.com/reduce-reuse-and-recycle-the-dangers-of-computers-in-landfills/

Let's not also forget about the eventual cost in medical care.

I'm not against computers by any means, if I were I wouldn't be on this site. But some people can live without them and they do just fine and probably contribute a whole hell of a lot less damage to the environment than we do. Everything has a consequence, and computers are going to have a long term ramification that many are very shortsighted about.

[Peacetrain]

40. The computer is at the senior center now.. it is at the library now

etc etc etc... seriously they are there and you might as well access them.

[Exilednight]

42. Well, that's great for where you are, but not everyone has that luxury. n/t

[Peacetrain]

45. soo .. Grandma Louise has been collecting her SS for the last 11 years

Just how do you think she did that .. reading a yearly report on what she made last year? None of us retired are going to get that.. we are NOT working anymore.

But we do access ss information. I use the computer, my Mom will go access information through the senior citizen center or call..


And most of us toddle to the local SS office.. to double check.

[Exilednight]

55. My mom collects SS, too. But she doesn't have a computer. She's technophobic

and hates change. To each their own.

But you can't use the argument that's it better for the environment, because it's not.

[Peacetrain]

58. Then this is not going to bother her one bit..

[Exilednight]

63. I'm just arguing that you're spreading a false argument. It's not better for the environment. n/t

[Peacetrain]

66. Actually paper and food packaging is the biggest part of the landfill..

[Exilednight]

Paper is not nearly as damaging as the chemicals in a computer, not to mention

all the resources it takes to make a computer.

Argue it any way you want, but scientists have done the studies, and you're flat wrong to believe that an electronic e-mail does less damage than a regular letter through the post office.

[Peacetrain]

72. So are you using a computer, a polluter computer?

[Exilednight]

79. Yes, I am. All computers are polluters. I'm not saying don't use computers, but your

argument as a way to go green.

[Peacetrain]

88. Re read op.. nothing wrong with my argument.. if they are going to cut.

well cut sending all that paper, not hands on programs that actually help people..

[Exilednight]

90. I read your OP, and it's not even truthful. Anyways, have a goodnight. n/t

[Peacetrain]

94. I am retired, My mother is 82.. I did not get a report this year

even though I retried in Dcember and will not collect till July. should have got a report..was able to access my benefits thous ssa.com.. my 82 year old mother has accessed infor there when Dad died and beneficiary changed.

If you access through the computer you will be not be using all that postage and paper. (By the way, the largest user of landfills are paper products)

If we save money by not using all that postage and paper would it not be better to save programs like EHS, Head Start etc.
Looking for what is not truthful there..

[Exilednight]

108. Alright, one last time, then I'm done. (Dr. Zhivago is on) You're not going to save any

programs when the money you claim to be savings is going to be spent cleaning up nasty chemicals and medical care that is going to be required once those chemicals find their way into our water and food supply.

This does nothing but save a few pennies today so we can spend several dollars tomorrow. And BTW, if you're talking about the report they send out every year that tells you how much you paid in, how much you get if you went on SS today and so on and so forth; well, they still mail them out.

[Peacetrain]

110. Well why did not not get mine? :)

Enjoy you movie

[bobbolink]

86. There is a more immediate cost. Many many people will now have to go to the office in person to get

the proof printed out. THAT will cost, PLUS it will mean more employee hours to print out these forms.

If you are actually concerned about the environment over people, then consider all those who will now have to travel to the office in person.

I know it doesn't matter what it costs those people to do this. I know that is never a concern here.

So, just take into consideration the government and environmental costs.

This is just one more stupid and short-sighted move.

Actually, no, it is very smart. Because it will most probably mean that many people get dropped, and also can't apply for food stamps and other programs which REQUIRE this proof.

Good going, Dems! Just don't complain next November, OK?

[Peacetrain]

91. Nope. they go to the library. shelter, churches, friends. and a gazillion other

places. Just because people do not have a permanent address does not mean they should not be able to see if the jobs they worked at in the course of the year reported them to SS.

[bobbolink]

98. I realize you think you know all about this, but you don't. This is about more than YOUR social

security figures.

For people on disability, this is about PROOF that they must have.

And yes, they go to the office.

Again, I realize that it isn't a matter of concern to so many here... I get that loud and clear.

[Peacetrain]

101. Let me get this straight.. you are all for people who are making 30, 40 70 thousand

a year, getting a piece of paper they could access on line, over saving monies for programs that benefit children because the right is trying to cut Head Start... I am getting you real loud and clear now

[bobbolink]

102. Thank you for proving my point. You have now made it clear to those watching your words that you

don't know who all is NEEDING these letters.

I really do thank you.

[Peacetrain]

106. Your point is what? inquiring minds would like to know

[bobbolink]

125. I stated it quite clearly, and you stated yours quite clearly. Whats neat is that your recs are 0.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It would seem that people got you LOUD and CLEAR.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But, as you said, you had "fun", so that is all that matters.

Here's some tea for ya: :donut:

[Peacetrain]

136. I have no recs.. oh what will I do..what will I do..

"hand on forehead".. I will take that tea.. and doughnut.. and sugar and cream if you have it

[Sheepshank]

142. of the 150 million+ mailers

what percentage do you suppose actually need the paper to be delivered via mail?

How many others who don't have a fix address and access to a home pc, can get the statements via ss offices, mail request, phone request, senior citizen centers, library, friends and family etc. I'm thinking the $70M cost is incurred for a VERY small percentage of the population.

Not to mention this program is originally touted as temporary.

Sometime I get the feeling peole are arguing for the sake of arguing not because there is a sincere concern. I am having a hard time believeing there are those that will fight for a $70M expenditure in liee of keeping programs that aid the poor, and child programs. Something just seems off?

[REP]

143. These mailings are not used to prove anything. They're 'FYI' only

They are NOT needed when filing for or claiming SS retirement or Disability. I think you may be confused as to what mailings are being discussed, because as an SSD recipient, you do not receive one.

[former9thward]

27. Computers are not built or bought for electronic notifications.

It is just a side benefit.

[Exilednight]

31. I've heard this argument before, but truth is, most people just use them for

e-mail, bill paying, and facebook.

[former9thward]

46. I guess we know different kinds of people.

[Bluenorthwest]

19. Yeah, the government should not help the elderly when

the church should be doing all of that.
You do understand that the mailer that is not being mailed never went to current beneficiaries, so your Mother would not be getting one anyway, nor would you if you have taken your SSA benefits? This is for those not yet receiving them, or it was until the idea of access to information became passe.

[Peacetrain]

23. Well having those reports mailed has only been happening for the last 10 years

SOOOOOOOOOO as I said in my original op.. if I have a choice of where funds need to go.. better to WIC or HS etc.. people can look up their SS reports online.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Yes, but you Mother as a retiree would not have gotten one

anyway. It does not apply to retirees. So your personal story is not applicable to the mailings at all. That is my point. Your original OP is not accurate, as you claim you are not getting it and your Mom is not getting it because of the new rule, when in fact retirees never, ever got these reports, not for 10 years, not ever. You will get a statement of what was paid to you, as always, for tax use. No change for you, no change for Mom, so the fact that you are adapting well to a change that did not happen is sort of irrelevant. And it is the bulk of your OP, all about how easy it is for you not to get that which you'd not have gotten anyway, change or no change.
Not that facts matter.

[Peacetrain]

37. If she wants to look something up.. she can, and sometimes does

But neither one of us needs a yearly report. But believe it or not.. you still check

Now I am trying to figure out what has you in such a twist. Nothing wrong with my op..

[Bluenorthwest]

47. The report that is not being sent was never sent to current

beneficiaries, only to future retirees. There is no report like this for you to look up, what a retired person gets, and still will, is a statement of benefits paid and premiums withheld. She can look 'something up' but not this report, as there is no such report that applies to current beneficiaries. Last year, she got no report of future benefits, because her benefits were current. There was no change for your Mom at all. There is nothing she was being mailed that will not be mailed to her now. There was no change for retirees.
Facts matter. A thing that did not happen to you was easy for you to deal with, wow! Impressive!

[Peacetrain]

53. Facts are facts.. Retired people still access information on their Social Security.

I will not start collecting till July.. and the report on my last years earnings did not come.. so I accesses it at SSA.gov.. and went to my local ss office when I applied in February, to have them double check.

Now facts are facts.. the benefits statement is for people who are working or worked last year to double check that the earnings were correct etc.

Facts are facts.. no one is arguing with that but you

When my Dad died, my mother had to change her beneficiary information..

The beneficiary report has only been around for 10 years, and it is is not going to hurt us elderly types because we can access information and have been for the last 70 years. If this is a cut, I can live with it and so can you and everyone else.

As I said in my op.. save EHS, HEAD START, WIC.. pick and choose your battles.

Now you want to re-read my op:

am retired now, I did not get my SS report this year.. and you know what

I can look it up on the computer.. My 82 year old Mother can go to the seniors center or library to look up hers or call the church will look it up etc.

Not sending out all those reports on trees are good for the environment.. and with the battle in the economy and cuts looming.. well you know what.. cut the paper... Keep WIC! Keep EFNEP! Keep Early Head Start and Head Start.

[Peacetrain]

38. Also, when people pass away, the social security will change for

the partner or dependent child if applicable.. Retired people access SS info all the time..

[Bluenorthwest]

50. Sure, they access information, just not the same information

you are speaking about in the OP. I did not say they did not, you said they look up the projected estimate of future earnings, which they never got in the first place. No changes happened to you or your Mom. So adapting to that lack of change is not really a point at all.

[Peacetrain]

54. My OP

am retired now, I did not get my SS report this year.. and you know what

I can look it up on the computer.. My 82 year old Mother can go to the seniors center or library to look up hers or call the church will look it up etc.

Not sending out all those reports on trees are good for the environment.. and with the battle in the economy and cuts looming.. well you know what.. cut the paper... Keep WIC! Keep EFNEP! Keep Early Head Start and Head Start.

[bobbolink]

107. It shouldn't be the government, it should be the churches. Where have we heard that before, eh?

:hi:

[EFerrari]

25. How very nice for you.

It's too bad our government can't find more ways to cut services to seniors. That could fix the budget right there.

[Peacetrain]

28. Yes it is nice for me.. I love it.. thank you

Since I am retired, it does not effect me..

[bobbolink]

104. And that is all that counts. Thank you for making that clear.

Kinda what the teabaggers are all about, too. Small world.

[Peacetrain]

113. You hang out with teabaggers? You better watch that

not a good group to be around..

[bobbolink]

117. YEs, sadly, when I come to DU, I often find them and/or their mentality.

"I got mine, fuck you."

Pretty much sums up the teabagger attitude.

[Mimosa]

39. There are disabled people who can't get out easily.

We PAY for the MAIL, we pay for Social Security.

Now the government cuts costs on the backs of the elderly.

Keep defending the plutocracy, Peacetrain. Not all 82 year olds -or even 62 year olds- are mobile.

[Peacetrain]

43. The retired do not really need the reports..we did not have them 10 years ago

Getting the yearly report is a fairly new phenom. Disabled, hearing impaired , blind, etc are accessing services via computer or service centers who have computers.

So again, I will pick funding for young families over a yearly report on SS to everyone.. Seriously think that out.

[Mimosa]

60. Why should people at the bottom have to choose between scraps?

I've thought it out.

[Peacetrain]

62. Sooooo.. how are people at the bottom getting scraps by accessing informtion online?

[Mimosa]

64. Because many people aren't online.

I know quite a few people who can't afford computers. Glad you and I can but I have a feeling you don't know poor people.

[Peacetrain]

68. Mimosa.. being able to access their beneficary report on line is a benefit for the poor

I spent the last 10 years working in a low income program for worked in shelters... The poor move 2 3 4 times a year.. losing track of mail.. women in shelters are constantly battling to get paperwork straightened out that is LOST in the mail.

Having access to computers in shelters and the library and having access to the information is important..because sometimes they work jobs with questionable companies that do not report their information correctly.

Sweet Jesus people who make assumptions

[Mimosa]

80. Why not have both options of mail and internet? n/t

[Peacetrain]

84. If cutting this will save money for EHS etc.. cut this.. we did not have it 10 years ago

[Mimosa]

41. Most elderly people I know do NOT have computers.

If i were rich I'd buy my senior friends laptop computers. But none of my elderly friends own computers. They were already in their late 50s through their 70s when the big computer thing happened.

[Peacetrain]

44. So how do you think your elderly friends go their SS in the first place

if they are collecting benefits.

The reports are for those working not us retired folks.. though we access infor on SS it is not to see if our pay was reported correctly for the last year

[Bluenorthwest]

51. This is not what your OP says

nt

[Mimosa]

52. Telephone.

But what's wrong with the convenience of mailed statements which they can file and refer to? *duh*

[TBF]

48. Stop bombing shit and we'll be able to keep all those programs -

and the statements too.

[girl gone mad]

49. Save the trees!!11!

Um, you do know they can make paper out of more eco-friendly materials now, right?

And that $30 million is money that would have flowed into our economy at a time when we really need it.

[Mimosa]

56. Trees are a renewable resource.

Planting trees is good for the planet. And the timber industry EMPLOYS PEOPLE.

[girl gone mad]

93. My point is that if the OP is so worried about trees..

the government could buy paper made out of something that renews more quickly, like bamboo.

It's not really a good enough excuse to stop the mailing completely is all I'm trying to say.

eta: I think we are on the same page here about employment. The $30 million is not waste - it keeps people working in productive areas.

[Peacetrain]

96. And the postage also.. I mean if they are looking for savings are not things

like this what we want to see.. that and double engines in planes and not programs for kids.. etc.. they want to cut Head Start.. for petes sake.. can't we pick better battles..

[dems_rightnow]

57. You lost it

They're still sending them out.

[Peacetrain]

59. Well I would not know.. I am retired..

:rofl:

[Bluenorthwest]

69. But in your OP you say

I did not get my SS report this year.. and you know whatI can look it up on the computer.. My 82 year old Mother can go to the seniors center or library to look up hers.

You said both of you can look up the thing that is not being mailed. That is what you said. Not funny at all to do that.

[Peacetrain]

82. I didn't.. it was due in March, because my birthday is the first day of June..and I will not get it

and did not get it.. I was wondering why, and read in DU of all places that we will not be getting them.. I am due one that would have had last years pay.. but I accessed SSA to get my infor and went to my SS office to apply. My 82 year old mother has accessed her info when beneficiary changed.

[Peacetrain]

85. And I am all over that and for it if it will save programs for children ..

getting a benefits report once a year.. big damn whoop.. I looked it up.. you look yours up..now reread my op..you are really looking pretty foolish in a lot of places in this thread.. I am starting to feel a little sorry for you

[BillyJack]

65. I don't know the percentage, but MANY people who are 60-70+

are NOT computer savvy or connected to the internet. You've GOT to keep connecting to them in the same way that they have been accoustomed for all of their lives, which is by mail.

[Peacetrain]

70. Billy Jack.. it is not about those of us retired already..

The beneficiary report is for those still working not the retired.

[Mimosa]

73. Bombs are more important than making life easier for the working people?

BillyJack welcome to D.U. *smile*

[Peacetrain]

77. Lets see... I am promoting Early Head Start and EFNEP and you are talking bombs

kiddo, you will have to explain that one to me.. or re read my op

[bobbolink]

71. Well, whoopdeedooo.. Isn't it just grand that you have resources that many people DON'T have?

It must be just GLORIOUS to be superior to so many others.

[Peacetrain]

75. Well bobolink.. I am grand, and wonderful, and happy as can be.

You of all people should be able to explain to others how accessing a computer can be a blessing.

[bobbolink]

81. Unlike so many, I understand some of the advantages that I have. The disadvantages I have

matter NOT to those who are sooooo superior.

I'm sure the deaths that result will be cause for great celebration.

:puke:

[Peacetrain]

87. Well families who are really in a situation that they do not have an address should be able

to check their yearly benefits programs..and they can..

[bobbolink]

89. Some can, some can't and many at GREAT COST both to themselves (which doesn't matter to so many here

and to the system itself.

Thanks so much for your obvious concern. It is very touching.

Karma can bite really hard.

[Peacetrain]

92. Go to the local SS office and they will look it up for free.

Karma is in my corner for sure..

[bobbolink]

99. And you just told me that people don't do this. Please, make up your mind.

AND, there is the cost. It costs more for the employees to take the time, and it costs people to get there.

I recognize that you aren't concerned about the costs to the poor people invovled.. so, just remember that it is a COST to the ENVIRONMent which some have brought up.

Also, it will be a way to drop many people who simply cannot make it.

Again, I am so very glad that you have all the resources. It is truly sad that you can't understand that not everyone is in your very fortunate shoes.

Peace... :rofl:

[Peacetrain]

105. Told you what? not to go to SS office.. where??

I missed that one.

I am a very fortunate person that is true.. No denial about that.. and it has nothing to do with money..but I am very rich in friends and family..

[Mimosa]

76. Bobbolink, I know a few working people who can no longer afford internet access.

And I never ever forget it could happen to me in a month or two. *hug*

[bobbolink]

83. The fact that you recognize it and are willing to care makes you a lot different from so many here.

And, in my book, a hell of a lot more human.

Kinda like what the Democratic party USED to be.

:pals:

[REP]

116. It makes NO difference to those collecting SS already since they didn't get these

They didn't get the statements telling them how much they'd earned in past years; how their disability might be or what they'd get at minimum retirement age or maximum retirement age BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY COLLECTING. Statements for recipients about benefits and Medicare + 1099s will still be mailed.

[REP]

129. I'm sure there are others as clever as she, who manages to post from her car

[TBF]

144. Beating up on homeless folks now -

are there no levels to which Obama supporters will not sink?

[Bluerthanblue]

138. check with your city library- several

of the people I care about in this situation access the internet, for free on public computers at the library-

It isn't ideal. But it's access.

:hi:

[Snoutport]

95. cheers!!

[Peacetrain]

97. Hi.!! Cheers to you also

[Snoutport]

100. I believe, if this was a debate....you would have just won hands down.

I really appreciated how deftly you put down that other silly argument trying to scare people about social security. I also like trees so for them, another victory. :0)

[Peacetrain]

103. You know

the tree thing has been bothering me for years.. I just hate all paper that ends up in our mailboxes..and that was the whole wonderful push of a paperless society ..

But it has been fun in here today..

[bobbolink]

109. Its always a LOAD of fun when you can rile people up. That is what DU is for.

HURRAH! :bounce:

[REP]

121. What's to get riled about? I always thought these reports were a waste of money

They don't go to people receiving SS - we will still get our notices in the mail.

[bobbolink]

123. Exactly. If you can't rile people, why the hell go to DU?

[bobbolink]

112. "Peace is more than the absence of war. It is the presence of Justice."

May your train find more baggage space... soon.

[REP]

114. ONCE YOU ARE COLLECTING SS, YOU NO LONGER GET THOSE YEARLY REPORTS ANYWAY

You're not accruing anymore into your account. There are no yearly statements sent to those already collecting SS, so dear 195 year old Gramma Lois who's afraid of computers doesn't have to look it up online - shell get her statement telling her what her benefit and Medicare contribution is fir the year, just as always, and a 1099 in the mail.

[Peacetrain]

115. Exactly.. the whole point..

though I should have gotten one this year.. because I retired in December and will not collect till July because of my age..

That yearly benefits review is for those still working..

[REP]

118. I almost cannot believe how many are missing this point ... but that's Chinatown for you

(Movie reference, not ethnic slur)

[Peacetrain]

119. I know..

I don't know how many times I had to post.. read my op.. I am still trying to figure out what a few of the posters were talking about.. we were off to the races more than once..

[REP]

126. See below

[bobbolink]

120. Some day you MAY understand there ARE people who DO get them.. and NEED them.

But, they ARE different from you, so.... as another post on your thread said, "Out of sight, out of mind."

And as I said elsewhere, "I got mine, fuck you."

Same/same.

Thank you for so clearly defining yourself.

[REP]

124. Explain. I get my 1099s in the mail - how am I different from other SS recipients?

I haven't received the notice you're so CONCERNED about since I started receiving SS. Why? Because as an SS recipient, I am no longer contributing to my SS fund, so there's nothing to report. So, please enlighten me.

[bobbolink]

128. Several people have "enlightened" you. Sorry it didn't take.

:shrug:

[REP]

132. No; you tried insulting me and that just doesn't work. Try harder.

Either make your point or hone your skills. Your choice.

[Peacetrain]

127. I am retired.. I am not getting them.. My Mother is not getting them.. My op

We are fine. Those who are working need them. And they can look they up on line.. Better for those who have not had a stable address. Its a blessing if they can go online and find out.

I am so glad you finally understand what I was talking about and defining.

This whole paper argument has nothing to do with those of us retired.. That was the point. Glad you got it

[bobbolink]

130. Yes, most of us "got it". Thats why your recs are ZERO.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Peacetrain]

131. That is my fan club in action....

[REP]

134. More insults? Goodness.

[Peacetrain]

135. I can get you a membership in the Peacetrain Fan Club.. You can unrec

to your hearts content.. They are free when you join DU.:evilgrin:

[david13]

122. Ditto! Oh, sorry, not supposed to say that here. dc

[lib2DaBone]

133. The thing is.. once they get rid of a paper trail...

they can do lots of funny-money stuff with Social Security.. (or not so funny as the case may be).

They have dipped in and stolen all our SS funds.. they are now attempting to scrub the crime scene.... pure and simple. And Mr. Obama is a prime facilitator.

[rury]

137. Nope...simply print your electronic annual earnings report out and keep it

...that restores the paper trail!

[robinlynne]

139. how? that is such private information.

[JDPriestly]

140. Computers do not insure privacy.

That is why I so resent the fact that I do not get written reports on things.

Also, it would be next to impossible for my children to figure out my business affairs should I die. They would not be able to locate my accounts or know my passwords.

One of these days someone will wake up and realize that you cannot force elderly people (of the children of a person who has died) to do business over the internet. It is a horrible idea.

And don't suggest that we should give our passwords, etc. to our kids. They aren't interested. Besides, most kids are in utter denial about the fact that their parents are old and mortal.