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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 07:50 PM
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Deconstructing Nuclear Experts
By CHRIS BUSBY

SNIP

So what about Wade Allison? Wade is a medical physics person and a professor at Oxford. I have chosen to pitch into him since he epitomises and crystallises for us the arguments of the stupid physicist. In this he has done us a favour, since he is really easy to shoot down. All the arguments are in one place. Stupid physicists? Make no mistake, physicists are stupid. They make themselves stupid by a kind of religious belief in mathematical modelling. The old Bertie Russell logical positivist trap. And whilst this may be appropriate for examining the stresses in metals, or looking at the Universe (note that they seem to have lost 90% of the matter in the Universe, so-called “dark matter”) it is not appropriate for, and is even scarily incorrect when, examining stresses in humans or other lifeforms. Mary Midgley, the philosopher has written about Science as Religion. Health physicists are the priests. I have been reading Wade Allison’s article for the BBC but also looked at his book some months ago. He starts in the same way as all the others by comparing the accidents. He writes:

More than 10,000 people have died in the Japanese tsunami and the survivors are cold and hungry. But the media concentrate on nuclear radiation from which no-one has died - and is unlikely to.

Then we move to 3-Mile Island: There were no known deaths there.

And Chernobyl:

The latest UN report published on 28 February confirms the known death toll - 28 fatalities among emergency workers, plus 15 fatal cases of child thyroid cancer - which would have been avoided if iodine tablets had been taken (as they have now in Japan).

This is breathtaking ignorance of the scientific literature. Prof. Steve Wing in the USA has carried out epidemiological studies of the effects of 3-Mile Island, with results published in the peer-review literature. Court cases are regularly settled on the basis of cancers produced by the 3-Mile Island contamination. But let us move to Chernobyl. The health effects of the Chernobyl accident are massive and demonstrable. They have been studied by many research groups in Russia, Belarus and the Ukraine, in the USA, Greece, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland and Japan. The scientific peer reviewed literature is enormous. Hundreds of papers report the effects, increases in cancer and a range of other diseases. My colleague Alexey Yablokov of the Russian Academy of Sciences, published a review of these studies in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences (2009). Earlier in 2006 he and I collected together reviews of the Russian literature by a group of eminent radiation scientists and published these in the book Chernobyl, 20 Years After. The result: more than a million people have died between 1986 and 2004 as a direct result of Chernobyl.

I will briefly refer to two Chernobyl studies in the west which falsify Wade Allison’s assertions. The first is a study of cancer in Northern Sweden by Martin Tondel and his colleagues at Lynkoping University. Tondel examined cancer rates by radiation contamination level and showed that in the 10 years after the Chernobyl contamination of Sweden, there was an 11% increase in cancer for every 100kBq/sq metre of contamination. Since the official International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) figures for the Fukushima contamination are from 200 to 900kBq.sq metre out to 78km from the site, we can expect between 22% and 90% increases in cancer in people living in these places in the next 10 years. The other study I want to refer to is one I carried out myself. After Chernobyl, infant leukaemia was reported in 6 countries by 6 different groups, from Scotland, Greece, Wales, Germany, Belarus and the USA. The increases were only in children who had been in the womb at the time of the contamination: this specificity is rare in epidemiology. There is no other explanation than Chernobyl. The leukemias could not be blamed on some as-yet undiscovered virus and population mixing, which is the favourite explanation for the nuclear site child leukemia clusters. There is no population mixing in the womb. Yet the “doses” were very small, much lower than “natural background”. I published this unequivocal proof that the current risk model is wrong for internal exposures in two separate peer-reviewed journals in 2000 and 2009. This finding actually resulted in the formation in 2001 by UK Environment Minister Michael Meacher of a new Committee Examining Radiation Risks from Internal Emitters CERRIE. Richard Wakeford was on this committee representing BNFL and he introduced himself to me as “BNFL’s Rottweiler”. No difference there.


http://counterpunch.org/busby03282011.html
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 07:59 PM
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1. K&R People accuse me of being paranoid or fear mongering. I accuse them of being unable to
look past their 'numbers'.

I don't think those of us who are concerned are being unrealistic. It may never result in the long-term and far-reaching effects of Chernobyl, but I don't care how it may "stack up" by comparison, I care about those who will be affected. And our oceans and animal life. AND our lands and crops.


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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 08:57 PM
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2. I'm amazed by..
all of the physicists who have turned up here these last couple of weeks. Even more amazing is that they seem to have access to cameras and instruments right inside of the cores at Fukushima, which are giving them data that says everything is operating as normal, there was no loss of cooling accident leading to structural damage, all nuclear reactions were miraculously permanently stopped within 1 hour, and there has been nothing to be concerned about, ever, at any time.

Here I thought nuclear physics was a subject that took years to master. Had I known that Cracker Jack gave out diplomas, I could have saved myself a lot of time.
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catenary Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 09:34 PM
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4. And yet no live person ever said any of those things.
Can I buy some of whatever you are smoking?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 09:43 PM
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5. So those were chat bots?
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catenary Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 09:48 PM
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6. Probably kinderbots.
I wouldn't know, I never saw them because I don't travel in juvenile circles. :shrug:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 09:59 PM
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7. A few minutes ago..
you acted as if you were privy to these discussions when you directly refuted my account of them.

catenary: "And yet no live person ever said any of those things."
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catenary Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 10:18 PM
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8. Simply my humble way to request a citation for the claim.
I should have added "as far as we know". Mea culpa.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 09:31 PM
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3. Great article, thank you.
Also +1 for GGM at post #2
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 07:05 AM
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9. You're welcome n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-11 11:51 AM
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10. kick n/t
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:09 AM
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11. Busby explains why uranium is bad news (video)
This is a talk Busby gave in Canada in which he explains that accumulating evidence shows that the toxicity of uranium and the low level radiation generally associated with it is more harmful than previously recognized


Chris Busby of the University of Liverpool explains precisely how uranium - including natural, enriched, and depleted uranium - causes health problems. I don't know how useful it is to someone without a science background, at least introductory molecular biology, but Busby explains it extremely well in a convincing and frightening presentation. This information has not thus far been acted on by any regulatory agencies. The presentation was made in February 2008 as part of the public interventions in the environmental assessment of AREVA's proposed Midwest uranium mine in northern Saskatchewan. Busby was asked to present by the Saskatoon-based Inter-Church Uranium Committee Education Cooperative.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42hJR1fX5VU

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfNyZ9Kryb8&feature=related
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