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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:39 AM Original message |
FEDERAL JUDGE: "State Legislatures Do NOT Have Authority To Limit Collective Bargaining Rights" |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. My feelings on this ruling can be summarized as... |
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liberal life (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
42. cannot compete with those smilies so I will join you! |
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calimary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Yes indeed! What he said! |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Roberts is an Opus Dei freak. |
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meow2u3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. So are Scalia, Alito, and Thomas |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. People don't realize that Opus Dei has infiltrated the top escelons of government |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. I agree. X gazillion. |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. Whoa. Hello. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. I'd call that a Wonderful side effect. |
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Kber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Wow. Does this just apply to private industry, or does it cover |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I think that this deals with private industry because public employees were never covered by federal |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. This should be clear enough: |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I think the NLRA specifically excludes public employees |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Yes, it does. See my reply below, #21, which has a link and quote. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
87. I think the Defendant was McPier, a governmental agency |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. The MPEA is a "market purchaser" of services, even thought a state agency |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #92 |
97. well, there you go. |
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PotatoChip (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I've never understood the justification |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. easy..... splits people. hey, they've got it why should they when i don't have it. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
98. The justification is... |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. So this leaves it where? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Just private industry |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
93. It applies to private industry, and to circumstances where the government is a "market participant" |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
6. how does this ruling affect the states where collective bargaining is not allowed? |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I would think that if they had collective bargaining in their |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. ok, that is why I asked |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
39. My guess is that we'd have to wait for this ruling to wind its way through the appeals process. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Yes, probably, but it has to do with the US District courts |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Federal law is national, not regional. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Ummm... No |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
79. thank you for the confirmation, jberryhill. n/t |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
99. I don't accept it. n/t |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. That is how the federal court system operates, though. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
8. K & R !!! |
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mulsh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
9. those damn laws keep getting in the way. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. I'd been wondering how these laws........... |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
15. Eat that, you fascist fuckers! |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
16. Any chance this will wind up with Fat Tony and his thugs overturning it? |
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kimsarah (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. Good point |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
78. That's kind of a depressing thought. |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
17. I hope this creates a twist in the gut for them |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
18. It's beginning to look a lot like |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
20. ooops... the GOP screwed up! Have fun election time |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
21. I'm sorry, but the National Labor Relations Act does NOT apply to public sector employees. Link: |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I'm trying to find a copy of the judge's ruling to see if it's based on anything besides the NLRA. |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You can find it at link OP provided |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. That's just the first paragraph and it would cost $48 to read the entire ruling. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. The article linked to by the OP addresses that question: |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #44 |
94. Let me be the first to dash your hopes |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. I read this TODAY re: NLRA |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Can you explain the difference between private sector and |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #21 |
81. The NLRA *does* cover postal employees, though. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #81 |
95. Because the USPS is a competitive market provider of delivery services |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
82. Maybe it won't help public sector now but I think it will in my life time. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. Nice to see someone standing up for the NLRA and the rule of law. n/t |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
26. Here's an article about why the lawsuit was filed by the Teamsters and Carpenters: |
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Oilwellian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. Well, there is this in the Examiner article |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I hope the ruling can be interpreted that way. I'm still trying to find the text. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. K&R #64 !!!!!!!!!!!!!1 n/t |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
32. Interestingly, no one in the MSM brought this up... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. Har de har har har. FUCK WALKER and his goons in WI. LOL |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. Governor Walker, congratulations for wasting your time! |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
35. k&r |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
36. There it is, then. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
37. This ruling has nothing to do with the Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. situation. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #37 |
63. Pressure on this point can blow the whole thing wide open though. |
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FraDon (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
43. k&r • About fracking time ! |
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OxQQme (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I may be mistaken, but |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Those workers are private sector |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
91. When the state is a market purchaser of services, NLRA applies |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
48. Suck it, Walker! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
49. The National Labor Relations Act does not exist in the minds of tea party Governors |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:57 PM Original message |
K and R for the idiot freepers and teabaggers--Koch's water boys |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
51. dupe |
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watajob (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
53. And it was one of us... |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
54. If people can come together and form a corporation, people can also come together to bargain |
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danbeee46 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
55. Public vs. Private |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Two points |
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danbeee46 (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Links re: public employees are not covered by the NLRA |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Again -- |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. There can be state chartered corporations that are treated as private |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:25 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. As far as I know, most or all corporations are chartered by the states |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
86. It's very simple |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Here's your answer - "market participant exception" of the NLRA |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
58. Judge makes this so clear, but the Republicans will |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. That's what I'm talkin' about! |
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obxhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
64. Forgive the spelling... |
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AllTooEasy (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
65. Doesn't Collective Bargaining fall under Freedom of Assembly? |
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Firebrand Gary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:20 AM Response to Original message |
66. Wahooo |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
70. KNR! n/t |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
71. YES! |
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tclambert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:49 AM Response to Original message |
72. It's government interfering! |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
73. k&r |
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Pryderi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
74. SCOTUS will change this decision - just watch. |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
100. I'm hoping so. Next step will be petition to impeach. |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I love that idea! |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
76. They have to first repeal the FIRST AMENDMENT |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
77. Recommended! nt |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
84. could this end up at the Supreme Court somehow? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #84 |
96. It can, but it won't, because the OP distorts the scope of the decision |
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tcaudilllg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. You are wrong, jbhill |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Lol, yeah... that's why I posted a link to the .pdf of the actual decision itself |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Thanks for posting that link! |
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blackspade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
85. Awesome! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
88. So how much tax payer dough did Walker waste on his riling up effort? |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
103. PINCH me.............. |
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