Seriously, do you really want us to believe riots in Afghan are over a burned Koran ?

[annm4peace]

I did not see one of the National news show discuss all the corruption and violence being done by the corrupt Warlords who are in Afghanistan Parliament and in local Government.

Yes, a Koran was burned and desecrated.. Yes that really pisses off some people.

But I if Afghans had officials who weren't corrupt and mafia thugs, who actually built up the infrastructure, that prosecuted increase horrific human rights abuses against girls and women, and who didn't continue to receive money from NATO governments, the UN, and Aid agencies.

If you noticed many in the crowd are young adults. They have lived with this horrific occupation most of their lives.

check out Democracy Now on Monday and get some truth. As well as other progressive news outlets like Truthout, Common Dreams, Mother Jones, the Nation
http://www.democracynow.org/



Also check out RAWA and Afghan Women's MIssion and see what is really happening in Afghanistan and send it to your Senators and Reps and the National Corp News.. and also your friends and families.

http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/

http://www.afghanwomensmission.org/?p=1220

[ReturnoftheDjedi]

1. yes, the Afghan's are just that pissed about burning the Koran.

[ThomCat]

7. And you know this, how?

:shrug:

While it is almost certainly a factor, how can you possibly know that this wasn't just the final straw because of repression, corruption, violence, social conflict, and other existing horrible conflicts that were simmering and waiting to boil over?

Whenever someone utterly simplify some other group of people, to the point where that group supposedly responds in black and white ways to only one issue at a time in very simple and predictable ways, it usually shows that they are being reduced to stereotypes and caricatures.

Do you really know the people in Afghanistan, their culture and current society THAT well that you can make such a judgment, and dismiss any other possible consideration? Or do you think it's possible you are thinking of them as a very oversimplified, generic group of angry Muslims?

[Zax2me]

11. I don't care if it were the first, middle or last straw

Spin it how you like.
They killed because the Koran was burned.
How that makes them look is on them.
PERIOD.

[sabrina 1]

21. Who killed because the Koran was burned?

Your declarations are not very informative.

Charles Manson and his gang of insane followers murder a bunch of people for whatever reason.

Would you have said 'Americans killed because they hated the rich' or whatever their insane reasons were?

Technically that would be correct, they all were Americans. But not all Americans would do such a thing.

How the 'Kill Team' makes us look is on the U.S. then. We are all guilty.

How the drone killings of children, 9 of them last week, is on the U.S. We are all guilty.

Abu Ghraib makes us look like savages, and that is on all of us.

PERIOD!

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

24. Right, because if you counted, you'd have to count all the years

of the invasion and the occupation.

So, skipping over all of that is very much to the purpose, isn't it.

Those crazy muslins are just violent people who up and kill furriners because someone somewhere said a book was burned.

[ThomCat]

26. Now you sound petulant.

"They?"

You still seem to be lumping a whole lot of people all together in a very simplistic, undifferentiated lump because you can't be bothered, or aren't able to think of them with any greater differentiation or detail.

That's not spin. That's just observation of how you still seem to be sharing your understanding of the situation.

One of the hallmarks of stereotyping is that "we" are all individuals and need to be understood and judged separately, but "they" are all the same, and should be judged as a group because they're all so much alike.

Another is jumping to generic conclusions using generic information you believe about people based on the group they happen to belong to, rather than knowing anything based on the specific person and specific situation.

You're insisting that generic information is true because you insist that generic information is true. PERIOD.

[sabrina 1]

18. The Afghans are pissed about the slaughter of their

children, the latest being the 9 little boys killed last week.

They are pissed at the U.S. 'Kill Team' that slaughtered some of their civilians like wild prey and further denigrated them after death by treating them like 'trophies' , including a 15 year-old boy.

They are pissed that their country has been turned, once again, into a chess board for Global players to use for their war games. And that it has been totally destroyed and that they are even less safe now than they were before.

Their children are starving, some families actually selling their children in order to save them from starvation and try to feed their other children to keep them alive, although many have died of starvation anyhow.

They are very pissed at the brutality of the invaders of their country towards their citizens.

It wasn't the Afghan people who killed those UN workers, just as it was not the American people who burned the Koran, it was a group of thugs and criminals who chose to murder innocent UN workers supposedly because of the burning of the Koran, or so we are told.

[Quantess]

2. An insult to injury.

The Afghans were pissed already.

[mod mom]

3. I think it's more about the photos shown in Rolling Stone (Palin's friend)

Killing innocent people for sport, disfigurement & abuse of dead bodies as a joke. A friend of Sarah Palin's children was involved in the killing for fun. It's appalling, disturbing & grotesque:

http://www.rollingstone.com/kill-team

[golddigger]

17. +1

[cali]

20. but the Afghans protesting peacefully as well as those

who were part of murderous mobs have not verbalized that as a reason according to reports and they have verbalized that their outrage stems from the burning of the Koran. While that, perhaps, is only the focal point of a lot of inchoate anger, it appears to be factual.

[L0oniX]

30. Almost the same reason they have blocked any pictures of our dead troops coming home.

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[EFerrari]

5. Well done.

[golddigger]

6. Nope. I believe it has to do with the "Death Squad" story and pics.

[uppityperson]

8. They are and they aren't. They are because this was the straw that broke the camel's back

and they aren't because there has been a lot of anger over not only the USA occupation but the Taliban and their horrific repressions, the warlords bullshit, the extremism that many of them have always lived under.

[wiggs]

25. Exactly right. Plus news of an official who won't hire muslims, plus

stories of anti-muslim legislation, plus discrimination on the basis of religion regarding the NY muslim community center, plus numerous efforts in the US to derail the building of mosque, plus the word 'occupation' doesn't begin to describe the horrific suffering and cultural damage done during the process of destroying a muslim country, plus all the bluster about american exceptionalism, plus the US being partners with thugs to control oil countries, plus the US using brown people of all kinds as a method of political polarization, plus the US using the world bank as a tool for enslaving all kinds of developing countries....etc, etc.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. K&R

[Swede]

10. You mean Salman Rushdie is in hiding for no reason?

You should tell him everything is A okay. Same with that Danish cartoonist. Too late for the Dutch film maker,nowever (some Muslim that wasn't mad about an insult to Islam killed him for some other reason).

[sabrina 1]

19. Salman Rushdie is not in hiding, for one thing, The Fatwa

against him was lifted long ago. Secondly, he is not from Afghanistan, he is from a whole other country. I know, to 'us' they are 'all the same', but they really aren't. Sort of like Europeans are not all the same either.

[Drahthaardogs]

12. What I find even more disturbing

is that we spending American lives, going bankrupt, and building infrastructure for people who would riot because someone burned their book.

[blondeatlast]

27. You think "good" Christians wouldn't do that? There's this thing called

the Crusades--and while you are Goggling it, look up the 21st century Dominionists (and I identify as a faithful Christian,btw).

You're gonna have fun here; I plan to see to that... :evilgrin:

[Drahthaardogs]

32. Who said "good Christians" wouldn't do that?

Do not put quotes in my mouth :)
Furthermore, you better do a little Crusade googling yourself. Last time I checked, America was not even a country when that happened. I cannot make your quantum leap that it happens in America all of the time. Check the drama at the door please.

[blondeatlast]

33. This isn't about America vs. Them. It's about religion--and "good" Christians do some gawdawful

things

If you think that's drama, friend, you're going to be even more fun than I thought when the anti-religion GD crowd arrives.

[Drahthaardogs]

35. Let's set a few things straight here

I have been around here a looooooooong time, but I move a lot with the Army, sometimes I have no home computer access for months at a time. As such, sometimes I just start a new accounts, as it is easier to do than to try to remember all of my passwords. I was here two years before it was Kerry vs. Bush. I saw them slander Andy and his medical treatment, , I was here the night we were all giddy when we thought Kerry won, only to have it slammed back, and I remember greywarrior's taped duck, having everything set up for the panic room on election night, and on an on. Your assumption that you are somehow going to "teach me how it goes around here" is pathetic.

I never said a thing about being pro Christian. Nada, nothing. I pretty much despise all religious zealouts be they Jerry Falwell or the Muslim Brotherhood. You better go re-read the op's hoss, or put down the joint and take a walk to clear your head. You ain't reading so well buddy.

[Taverner]

13. No they are the product of RELIGION

That little 2 x 4 mote in humanity's collective eye

[Zax2me]

14. I find it rather easy to believe.

And feel no shame in doing so.
The way it makes them look is on them.
That's the resposibility you take when you kill.
What applies to one govt, person, religion, goes for all.
No one is excused from murder. Political spin can kiss my ass.

[sabrina 1]

22. You're repeating yourself. Beginning to sound like

a walking talking point.

As for this: 'no one is excused from murder'. For the illegal invasion and slaughter of over a million people, not one of those who are guilty will ever be held accountable in this country.

That is an empty, meaningless statement. Of course they are 'excused from murder'.

[DutchLiberal]

15. I do believe the rioting and murdering is about the burning of the Qu'ran.

You see, these people are illiterate, uneducated, religiously fanatical tribesmen who live in a culture with an 11th century mentality.

And I'm sorry if this is not the politically correct answer you were expecting, or if this makes me a 'bad lefty' or 'un-liberal', but these are people who shout "death to the US! Death to the Jews! Death to Israel! Death to the enemies of Islam!" before they light American flags and lynch and behead UN soldiers... from Nepal! Yeah, these are the kind of people who would go apeshit over burning a Qu'ran.

And I don't know why this and the replies it had gotten were removed before, but I'll stand by it.

[patrice]

16. There ARE evil people who enjoy killing other people and they do join the military. Not saying ALL

military, but it DOES stand to reason that the military is a convenient justification for some people, who are more common than we expect.

STOP THE WARS!

[Bluerthanblue]

23. you may want to read this link- book burning is more than just

a simple act to MANY people-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/sep/10/book-burning-quran-history-nazis?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
(not that it justifies violence)

[blondeatlast]

28. The book-burners would have done the same if they thought they

could get away with it.

Yes, I do believe it's possible--the tribesmen are not educated, worldly people--neither were those that burned the Q'ran.

[L0oniX]

29. If burning the Koran turns them against us I am all for it.

The sooner we get out of there the better. The more of them that want us out of there the better. Our military and gov won't be able to use the lame excuse and lie that they want us there because they want freedom and democracy if they all stand against the occupations. So yea ...burn lots of Korans and let them know we are doing it ...anything to get us to leave there and the sooner the better.

PS: I don't give a fuck if you don't like what I am saying here ...and save that "were fighting over there so you can have your freedom of speech here" military psych for the morans.

[malaise]

31. Maybe just maybe they want the foreign

invaders out of their country.

[liberal life]

34. no I don't- they have every right to be pissed about everything we have done

Can we just get the fuck out now?



http://fucorporatemedia.com/

[MisterP]

36. it fits with the "savage, plusunsecular primitives" frame nt