If communists tried to take over, I would form an alliance with the Tea Party against them.

[LoZoccolo]

[Vincardog]

1. If the Socialists were to try to take over,, I would form an alliance with them against the Tea Part

[socialist_n_TN]

15. Thank you Vin............

:) Although us Trots are pretty well Marxists too.

I'll go even further. If the Democratic Socialists tried to take over, I'd form an alliance with them against the Tea Party.

[white_wolf]

37. As a fellow Trotskyist and a supporter of the 4th International

I completely support your message. All power to the workers! Though I will admit I don't think I could work with Stalinists or Maoists.

[socialist_n_TN]

39. Yeah, that would be difficult..........

As a left libertraian and socialist, I'm not much for bureaucracy.

[white_wolf]

52. Not only that, but even the system of implementing Maoism is

useless in the U.S. I mean really a People's War here? Because you know, we have so many rural peasantry.

[TBF]

127. You guys are way beyond LoZoccolo's level here -

he's better at "fired up ready to go" ...

[socialist_n_TN]

140. I don't know TBF.........

He DID talk to some Marxists back at the antiwar rallies and he DID read the Manifesto. :rofl:

[TBF]

162. If he was at anti-war rallies

it was probably to write down names and turn them into the CIA

:eyes:

[socialist_n_TN]

169. Ah yes. I remember the days back in the 60s/70s.........

I had my pix taken quite a few times. If it made a difference, I'd ask for my FBI file. :)

[freshwest]

176. They kept coming to interview me at my college asking why I didn't want to join the military.

I was president of the Young Democrats back then.

Later, I fell into Socialism! Those were the days.

Now I'm just abused and confused. Well, not so much.

[Duke Newcombe]

130. I would form an uneasy but resonable alliance with the Socialists as well.

They would be light years more tolerable than the Teahadists. People who value reason can be reasoned and negotiated with. Teahadists don't even come close to "reasonable".

[calimary]

141. I'm with you. The teabaggers wouldn't listen to any reason they couldn't find in the bible.

Preferably the Old Testament. And I get the impression that socialists tend to read more, and more broadly in nature. If sarah palin is any example, teabaggers can barely read off the tag on the teabag.

[librechik]

238. yep, I'm choosing the NON crazy side, even if it's called socialist to demonize it

I claim to be a democratic socialist and I'm with my bros--against the Teas.

[roman7]

240. koch brothers - tea party - are socialist inspired

the koch commies were born & raised learning how to gain power thru corrupt goverment policies in russia they want to rule the united states and anyone who isnt usfull to them will be discredited &discounted to the point of servants.

[Drale]

2. Are they Marxists or are they Stalin/Mao Communists?

[LoZoccolo]

7. I really haven't found any communist organization that I like much.

[tekisui]

31. Some reading and education may change that.

[CreekDog]

44. really? tell us all about the myriad communist organizations you have checked into

in your town there must be 5 organizations that love Stalin --at least.

right?

or did you just make that up?

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

58. I used to see them at anti-war protests, like the RCP and the Sparticans.

[white_wolf]

64. So your only experience with them is at anti-war protests?

And you still don't like them?

[LoZoccolo]

66. I also talked with some in college.

[white_wolf]

72. Why don't you enlighten us as to their polices that

you are so strongly opposed to you would rather work the neo-fascists.

[LoZoccolo]

77. I would only ally with them to defeat authoritarianism, really.

[white_wolf]

80. I don't know which is more ignorant,

The belief that all or even the majority of communism supports authoritarianism or the belief that the neo-fascist tea party doesn't.

[freshwest]

180. There is a tremendous amount of ignorance on basic civics. Following the Glenn Beck School of...

Reasoning, you can't entertain any of these economic systems in your head without being a bloodthirsty murderer. They are ideas, systems of thought, not religion. Although capitalism have people who are so keen on them, it's hard to know the difference. Here is a DU thread that explored the definitions. Nothing to foam at the mouth about in any case. They are all theoretical.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=34509&mesg_id=34513

I agree the Tea Party is most fascist political movement since the Nazis in the 1930s. The only difference is that in our country, the people who are funding them are being found out. They are a total disaster, looking for a different result when they do the same stuff.

It's telling that the Koch family had ties with Stalin and Hitler no less, and they claim to be against communism, but they are really all about keeping money in the very top 1%. That's all it is, all the rest of the propaganda is just a smoke screen. Works great, too.

[CreekDog]

68. 7-8 years ago?

and that's where you learned all about their policies...and *today* you're posting about them.

:rofl:

smooth. :eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

81. A lot of the writings they promote are older than that.

[CreekDog]

85. you seem to fear some odd things

and be strangely oblivious to what actually is happening and threatening you right now. (i.e. "Current events")

[tekisui]

87. He doesn't have a clue what he fears.

[Better Believe It]

156. The Sparticans? Did you also have contact with the comminist Thespians?

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

160. I have since found that they refer to themselves as "Spartacists" and I apologize for the confusion.

[Better Believe It]

163. Well, you've named two little "communist" sects that have no influence in the American left.

I suggest you expand your knowledge to include less sectarian Marxists such as the DSA or ISO organizations.

If your knowledge remains limited to the tiny grouplets you had some incidental contact with decades ago, DU progressives won't pay much attention to your views on Marxism.

[DireStrike]

167. I wouldn't say they're small or have no influence

The spartacists seem to always have somebody at every rally.

The RCP is fairly large, as "communist" organizations go. But it's a cult.

[Better Believe It]

188. I would because they are very small, have been around a long time and have no significant influence

on the left.

They might number together at most 500 members!

[Gemini Cat]

189. yes, but the RCP's 500 is a mighty

farce force for revolution and the bourgeoisie trembles in their boots thinking about them. That's what they say anyway. They really really mean it too.

I actually thought the revocom-dip-shits went away a long time ago.

[coalition_unwilling]

219. LOL - All my favorite comminists are Thespians - n/t

[DireStrike]

166. RCP is a cult and the spartacists are ultra-leftists who think the masses will come to them for the

answers, when the revolution comes.

[Puregonzo1188]

228. Actually, the doctrine of the Sparts is that all the workers who will ever reach revolutionary

consciousness have doen so already and are just in the wrong organizations. Therefore the only way to ferment the revolution is to...polemicize against other Leninist groups.

No, I'm not joking this is what they believe and hence why if you read their paper all the articles are about what the Workers World Party did in 1956 or the Socialist Workers Party did in 1972. No, I'm not joking.

It's also why they used the question and answer session for noted anthropologist David Harvey to give a prewritten speech denouncing the ISO, WWP, and RCP.

[Puregonzo1188]

226. Oh Christ the Spartacus League! I was at Left Forum two weeks ago and they were really annoying

and disruptive per usual.

Communists don't even like them. They're also not taking over anything.

As for the RCP, well they've been at every even vaguely left of center event I've been to for the past month handing out information about Bob Avakian's new wisdom--at least I know I'm at the right building when I see them.

[freshwest]

177. I've met some in my area. They want the same thing as the social democracies in Europe do.

But they'll never get it off the ground, too much red baiting.

[Curmudgeoness]

3. I think I will be glad to see them.

I thought that scare tactic went out with the Cold War.

[bhikkhu]

4. If prairie dogs tried to take over, I'd form an alliance with the badgers

...though if Red-tailed hawks tried to take over, I might form an alliance with the prairie dogs.

[Gemini Cat]

11. Are prairie dogs meaner than badgers?

I mean, badgers are real mean so I want to know who my alliances are with should one or the other takes over.

[Countdown_3_2_1]

51. No. But they taste better!

and every badger I know haz serious barbecue skills!

I just bring the beer and my badger homies cook up a feast!
We be getting jiggy with it.

[louslobbs]

26. If Meerkats tried to take over, they're so cute, I'd side with them.

Lou

[pipi_k]

35. If Elvis impersonators tried to take over, I'd side with badgers and wolverines n/t

[timtom]

63. Ridiculous!

I'd side with the Andy Kaufman impersonators. Or the Jim Carrey impersonators.

[eShirl]

99. WOLVERINES!

:patriot:

[athenasatanjesus]

47. If red tailed Hawks took over it would be wiser to side with the Crows.

Crows are their archest rival.

[pipi_k]

61. Deer and wild turkeys get pretty snippy with each other too...

so I'd side with the deer because they're bigger and can beat the shit out of anyone with their hooves.

[lumberjack_jeff]

93. I want the badgers to think I'm on their side, no matter what. n/t

[Book Lover]

5. Which type?

Stalinism, sure I could get behind the destruction of, but council communism (mitigated by inclusion of people who are not laborers) or Luxemburgism? Those are worthy expressions of Marxism (in my own view, of course). Or is your OP a response to something else going on here this morning?

[LoZoccolo]

10. See #7; I don't know anything about Luxemburgism.

[white_wolf]

96. Here educate yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxemburgism

[BOG PERSON]

135. agreed

the worthiest expressions of marxism are the ones that never could and never will exist as a political force, only as text.

[Gemini Cat]

6. Okay.

[Buzz Clik]

8. Eh? What communists?

[freshwest]

190. The ones Beck warns his audience about. You know, liberal, progressive Democrats...

[Buzz Clik]

199. Are you suggesting that LoZocollo is having a Pogo moment?

[freshwest]

206. Such topics are reactions to corrupted info, or calling us to a deep investigation...

Democrats have always been treated by the rightwing as suspect in the area of communism. Sounds a lot like socialism, because they are related, no denying that. There's nothing wrong or scary about discussing the relative merits of these different economic and schemes of governance.

None of them are the boogeyman in their purest and most liberating forms and it's dishonesty to call them that. But it's suicidal to make a religion out of any of them.

And Democrats prefer (at least most I know) a form of social democracy that is a mixture of regulated capitalism and public ownership to protect people, the environment and freedom of thought, speech, association and all the things that make for a happy and creative environment.

However one might be having a Pogo moment and become afraid of those one wants to call friends (or comrades, as the case may be, haha) for some reason. Sort of an Et Tu, Brut, when one realizes that not all our intentions have been clear.

Sometimes the media does just what it was intended to do and that is sway the emotions and make people do exactly what the owners of the media want... It ain't really the news.

[Godhumor]

9. ...is this about the "Red Dawn" remake, because, if so...

WOLVERINES!

[AndyTiedye]

12. If Communists Took Over, the Teaparty would be Helping Them

Hasn't anybody noticed that it's the Republicans who are the "Reds" these days?

Huge supporters of the world's largest Communist country too, China.
Give 'em all their business. Send the jobs over there too.

[inna]

13. LOL. You've outdone yourself.

[tekisui]

34. Until his next post.

[CreekDog]

101. next post

:eyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x803579

[tekisui]

104. So juvenile.

So stupid.

[pipi_k]

36. I'm always entertained by this stuff...

:7

[TheKentuckian]

14. Or the Socialists, or the leftists, or the liberals, or the progressives, or the moderates

Or anyone who isn't with the corporate party.

Too bad the Teabaggers are so unseemly and coarse or you could drop the pretenses.

[LoZoccolo]

17. Those were my other posts, but this one is about communism.

[upi402]

16. If cows could fly

I'd make a very strong umbrella

[inna]

18. and one would think McCarthyism was long dead.

[LoZoccolo]

20. I do not think that I have accused anyone of being a communist.

[inna]

24. no, but you indicated that you are on the teabaggers' side against "communists".

not that it's of any importance.

[LoZoccolo]

45. They might accuse me of being a communist.

[TBF]

133. OK, this is definitely the funniest thread of the day.

:rofl:

[tekisui]

27. Then who are you talking about and what are you afraid of?

You have already admitted your inability to distinguish Marxist ideologies. I think your fear is founded on your lack of understanding.

Actually, I think you are just stirring your usual shit.

[LoZoccolo]

46. Ask me polite-like.

[tekisui]

48. No thanks. Answer or not.

[Bluebear]

250. .

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. OK, but on one condition...

If Multi-National Corporations try to take over, I expect the Tea Party to form an alliance with us against...

Oh wait. Nevermind.

[The Magistrate]

"I, For One, Welcome Our New Insect Overlords!"

[freshwest]

181. Go DEET!

[socialist_n_TN]

21. Well I guess we know which side you're on........

And it ain't the working class.

[tekisui]

30. He is admittedly closer to the teabaggers than he is to workers.

[socialist_n_TN]

40. True. That's EXACTLY what he admitted didnt' he..........

Well it's always nice to know where people are coming from.

[FLPanhandle]

49. Never seen a Communist nation that was on the side of the workers either

Most of the time they are happy to get rid of it when given a chance.

I'd say the best environment for workers is a carefully regulated capitalist system with strong safety nets.

[white_wolf]

59. The very early days of the USSR was pretty good for the workers.

Of course, once Stalin was in charge all that changed very quickly.

[FLPanhandle]

67. That's very debatable

They had a Civil War, a horrible few years of famine, Lenin had his own totalitarian rule, and then it was time for Stalin.

If there were a few good days in there, it wasn't much. Definitely, nothing to want for us.

[white_wolf]

69. Lenin had no totalitarian rule.

He had to deal with the soviet councils and the party congress, which voted against him several times. Pulling out of WWI was something that he wanted to do for a long time, but got voted down on it several times. He eventually talked them into it, but if he was a dictator he woudln't have had to talk them into anything.

[FLPanhandle]

78. Should have said the Communists not Lenin personally

They weren't ones to tolerate dissent sent many people off to work camps for even trying.

Again, nothing I'd want to experience here.

[apocalypsehow]

110. Lenin absolutely imposed totalitarian rule - and murderous totalitarian rule at that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin#Red_Terror

[BOG PERSON]

124. on the other hand

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_%28Russia%29

[white_wolf]

138. Trotsky himself opposed the use of terror

saying "‘We have not organized the revolution to kill’"

[FLPanhandle]

146. and look what the communists did to him.

He had to flee the country and still got whacked.

[BOG PERSON]

214. that is patently false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt_rebellion

[Warren Stupidity]

236. except against all the people he decided needed to be terrorized

for example, the anarchist at Kronstadt.

[LooseWilly]

193. Good for Lenin, and Stalin too...

From your own link: "In response to Fanya Kaplan's failed assassination of Lenin on 30 August 1918, and the successful assassination of the Petrograd Cheka chief Moisei Uritsky, Stalin proposed to Lenin 'open and systematic mass terror . . . . . . those responsible'."

If there were a failed assassination attempt against Obama and a successful one on (say) Biden... you are gonna try to argue that the Feds wouldn't come down on domestic political opponents like 17 tons of bricks?? Bullshit. That's exactly what this was... but the US tradition of vilifying Stalin, and Lenin, means that no one bothers to think twice about the bullshit hypocrisy of your link.

Until I see US officials prosecuted for their actions when they get spooked (cough—waterboarding and secret renditions to torture sites)... I'm not buying the condemnations of the Soviets as they tried to deal with assassins and covert capitalist agents from throughout the West, not to mention agents of the recently overthrown Russian aristocracy...

Sorry—no sale.

[RZM]

204. Wow. You do realize that security threats were used to justify the Great Terror, right?

682,000 + shot from early 1937 to late 1938. That's not counting the millions more who were interrogated, tortured, and/or sent to the camps. The justifications were quite often based on security threats. The condemned were accused of being agents of foreign capital, of foreign intelligence (usually Japanese, German, or Polish), or were often classified as 'former people' who were from suspect backgrounds (priests, Whites, landlords, etc.).

Presidents have been assassinated in US history. Did the government response look anything like what Lenin or Stalin did?

I didn't think so . . .

[LooseWilly]

211. Security threats were also used to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan....

I'm fairly confident that at least 682K have been killed in those two clusterfucks ;) (I take the liberty of judging Iraqis and Afghans as people in my estimations...)

On the other hand... every revolution has to deal with it's 'agents of foreign capital, foreign intelligence agents and former people'—if you're gonna get all weepy for the enemy that has been oppressing you for hundreds (or even thousands) of years, then you're not gonna get anywhere.

If the US can live with supporting dictatorial strongmen like the Saudi princes, Pinochet, the Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein (until we didn't support him) Noriega, Sandanistas, hell—even Pol Pot... then your tirade about Lenin and Stalin, in the face of threats from abroad that are willing to support bloody tyrants and happy to indulge in gunboat diplomacy/neo-imperialism rings a little hollow.

I'll say it again—Good for Lenin and Stalin. Too bad they didn't have access to "agents of foreign capital" with the surname Bush...

(And as for presidential assassinations—Lincoln's resulted in Reconcstruction; Garfield's didn't present much of a target for retaliation, other than the hanging of Giteau, McKinley's assassination was performed by "a diseased man, a man who had been suffering from some form of mental disease for years. He was not medically responsible and in the light of present-day psychiatry and of modern surgical procedure, there is a great question whether he was even legally responsible for the death of our President."; and the assassination of Kennedy is a tale in itself, which has resulted in the blockade of Cuba for 50-ish years now as well as a number of botched Castro assassination attempts... If the suppression of the anarchists in 1901 in the US had required 682K shootings, I think there's every chance they would've happened... just like the Japanese had most of their possessions taken from them and were herded into concentration camps by liberal FDR.)

Security threats "justify" a whole lot of shit... and Obama is currently using the pretext of them to refrain from investigating any war crimes that might've come up while the previous administration was coping with—security threats.

[RZM]

213. Your post would make some (not much) sense had I defended Iraq and Afghanistan

But I didn't even mention them. All you are really saying is: 'these things that happened are wrong, so you can't talk about this other thing.' How about I turn that around on you? As long as you justify the Great Terror, you have no right to mention ANYTHING the US has done. That logic works much better in your case anyway, seeing as I made no attempt to justify Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you think that hundreds of thousands of shootings were 'required' in the Great Terror, you're frankly clueless about how the process unfolded and who was affected. The vast majority were innocent of any crime whatsoever.

Maybe you should read a bit on it and then come back with better arguments.

[LooseWilly]

215. You were the one to decide "Security Threats" was the issue, which made other such admissible

If you don't want to discuss the merits or follies of ALL reactions to Security Threats... then you shouldn't hang your rhetorical hat upon that particular peg.

You bash "security threats" when used to justify an atrocity, but you want to try to pretend that other atrocities committed under the banner of "security threats" are somehow "out of bounds" for the purposes of the conversation? Why?... because they undermine your point.

I'm not "justifying" the "Great Terror"... I'm actually applauding it as the first step of what had been a "backward" country (Russia) "progressing" toward the horrors of the modern capitalist/industrialist system. The US, UK, and most other "developed industrialist" countries were able to spread the horrors over a span of decades, sometimes nearly a century... but the Russians were in a hurry so they just got it the fuck out of the way in a prompt and efficient manner.

Tell me, are you going to "justify" the genocide of a number of Native North American Tribes, and the ghettoization of hundreds of others, as practiced by the US in order to take the land and turn it over to speculators, financiers, etc. ... simply because the genocides and assorted atrocities occurred over a longer time span? :+

Face it... the "Great Terror" is a requirement, in one form or another, for all conversions from an old feudal system of managing/making use of the "terrorized" (serfs, peasants, peones, sharecroppers... call them what you will) to the new-fangled capitalist system of wage dependency (so aptly called wage slavery by some).

Villainizing the Russians is just a convenient mind-trick for "dehumanizing" the enemy (communists threatening to take your McMansion), which was carried out relentlessly by the propagandizers of the more "humane" UK/US style of "liberal" exploitation which had the luxury of being able to take its time because the "liberal-bourgeois" states weren't surrounded by hostile and ideologically determined communist states, as opposed to the vice-versa status faced by the Russians.

Given the shit sandwich that the Russians faced at the time... they went with a condensed policy of atrocities carried out largely by the state, rather than taking their time and leaving the private capitalists to commit atrocities, the likes of which are documented so colorfully by Dickens through the characters of Fagin, the Artful Dodger... and my favorite—Master Bates.

Do some research into the atrocities carried out on the Elizabethan English... or maybe the Trail of Tears... and justify those atrocities before you return to the task of trying to convince me that your pet pogram "Great Terror" is somehow historically anomalous in the context of a revolution.

[RZM]

217. 1954 called. They want their debates back

Seriously. There is hardly anybody left who argues that Stalin's crimes were part of an inevitable modernization process. You are quite literally 50 years behind the times. it's time to move on.

But just for kicks, let me ask you this. You do realize that the people shot from 1937-38 represent a small percentage of Stalin's victims, right? Do you put the terror famine in the early 1930s into this framework (the victims there were in the milllions)? How about the deportations of nationalities during WWII? What about the anti-Semitic campaign after the war? Is all of that just inevitable in the modernization process? Because other states seemed to weather modernization without starving and deporting millions.

[Puregonzo1188]

229. You know after 9/11 we got the Patriot Act, two wars, Gitmo, torture, detentions without trial,

assassinations, spying on Quakers, etc.

If that was our response to a handful of people with boxcutters I tremble to dare think what would happen in the United States was invaded by 14 countries, had numerous assassinations attempts on the life of the President, and was fighting a multi-faceted civil war.

Seriously, it doesn't justify what the Bolsheviks did, but let's be realistic here.

[RZM]

235. Maybe, maybe not

'Civil War methods' were products of both the circumstances but also of Lenin's vision of governance. Yes, there were dire threats against the regime, but Lenin also refused to brook dissent anyway, even from other socialists. After the crisis of the Civil War had passed, the instruments of coercion and Bolshevik monopoly on authority were maintained and greatly strengthened during Stalin's rule.

I'm not sure it's all that useful to say 'but the US would have done the same thing.' There's really no way to know for sure. What we do know is what actually happened.

[FLPanhandle]

209. You are just another Fundamentalist

With bullshit reasoning that all is fine as long as their religion/economic model/viewpoint is protected. *sigh*

[LooseWilly]

212. Are you threatening my "religion/economic model/viewpoint"?

... are you even talking to me?

(—At least I provided some reasoning... all you're flinging is the word "fundamentalist", like a half-wit monkey flinging poop at the capitalist zoo exhibit or something. Your display of reasoning does not impress me.)

:+

[BOG PERSON]

79. the civil war and the new economic policy were some fun times

[RZM]

97. That's absolutely false

Educate thyself:

http://www.amazon.com/origin-communist-autocracy-opposition-University/dp/B0007E3QGO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1301861515&sr=8-2

http://www.amazon.com/Lenin-Bolsheviks-Adam-B-Ulam/dp/000631807X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301861563&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/Russia-Under-Bolshevik-Regime-Richard/dp/0679761845/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301861595&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Kronstadt-1921-Paul-Avrich/dp/069100868X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301861628&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Tragedy-Russian-Revolution-1891-1924/dp/014024364X/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301861654&sr=1-1-fkmr0

http://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Experiment-Investigation/dp/0813332893/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301861791&sr=1-2

[coalition_unwilling]

222. Literacy rates soared in post-Batista Cuba, while infant mortality

rates plummeted. So I'd say the revolution in Cuba has been and continues to be good for the proletariat and peasantry, not so good for the bourgeoisie.

[SDuderstadt]

71. Well said n/t

[TBF]

128. At least he admits it - I'd love it if his boss were so honest. nt

[Jack Sprat]

22. Big deal. I'd form an alliance with the commies against you

and the teabagsters. What's the point of your proclamation?

[inna]

28. exactly. +1

[scarletwoman]

38. What he said. ^

[tekisui]

57. His point it to draw flames.

Ever notice how his post routinely get well over 50 responses, mostly negative and languishes in negative rec land. There is a word for that type of pot. Flamebait. And there is name for that type of poster.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

73. LOL

:thumbsup:

[TBF]

129. I think he's bored today.

Never fear, the campaign will get going soon and he will be busier.

[LeftishBrit]

23. Not likely to happen!

At any rate, it depends what 'communist' means. Stalinists, Maoists, etc. are certainly not a good thing to allow into power. But my Finnish friends tell me that at one point in the 1990s, a 'hung parliament' resulted in a two-party coalition government - between the Conservatives and the Communists! And both parties, at least as represented in the coalition, were so moderate (i.e. ultraliberal by American standards) that it was hard to tell the difference between them.

[Skidmore]

25. Dude, what ARE you talking about?

I'm spending my Sunday lookin' for your marbles.

[tekisui]

29. He is just posting his usual flame bait.

[fishwax]

32. lol n/t

[roody]

33. I wouldn't. I like universal health care and education,

even higher ed.

[amborin]

231. and labor unions! communist organizers helped the U.S. union movement tremendously

[CreekDog]

41. Yours is an instructive OP

helps us know your fears and motivations. :D

[tekisui]

43. And where he is on the political spectrum. Closer to the teabaggers than to

workers and leftists.

[CreekDog]

53. also uses his intellectual power to dream up a threat that doesn't exist

in order to attack something that is not a threat nor would it be harmful.

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

42. And what an alliance it would be.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

74. Indeed

the douche leading the blind.

[LoZoccolo]

115. I would also form an alliance against Godzilla.

[davidthegnome]

50. Why?

Personally, I think the Tea Party people are a whole lot scarier than communists.

[white_wolf]

54. OP have you read anything by Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky?

[LoZoccolo]

60. I have read /The Communist Manifesto/.

[WillyT]

55. The Red Scare... Right Here On DU, In 2011...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


Better Red Than Dead

[LoZoccolo]

65. I don't think that the communists pose much of a threat.

[Iggo]

56. That's interesting news. (n/t)

[RandomKoolzip]

62. If Oasis tried to take over, I'd form an alliance with Blur against you.

[ReggieVeggie]

70. and ANOTHER flamebait, baseless, thoughtless, divisive thread

:thumbsup:

[Javaman]

203. But you have to admit it's probably one of the more funnier ones

that have come along on DU in quite some time! LOL

Cheers :)

[BOG PERSON]

75. did you know more than ten per cent of Americans think communism is a good idea?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2011/11_say_communism_better_than_u_s_system_of_politics_and_economics

to clarify: that's old-fashioned, fire-and-brimstone marxism-leninism. with like military parades and posters of the party's avuncular general-secretary pasted on every wall and execution quotas. NOT left-libertarianism, trotskyism, anarcho-communism or some other friendlier-sounding sect.

[socialist_n_TN]

82. Interesting. That's Rassmussen too........

The MOST RW of the pollsters.

[white_wolf]

83. Yeah I wonder what the Gallop results would be.

[tabasco]

76. The cowardly tea partiers would run away

I'm a combat vet and I know the type.

Big talkers = cowardly pant shitters like Ted Nugent

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

84. If Salma Hayek and Monica Belucci wanted me to photograph them in a make out session.

I'd do it. But there's as much chance of that happening as there is of "the commies" attempting to take over. So, for your own sake stop fantasizing.

[Iggo]

142. Sounds like Heaven. (n/t)

[Octafish]

86. So, you'd do the opposite of what FDR did?

He formed an alliance with the Commies to fight the NAZIs.

As for trying to take over the country, it's a democracy. We the People put things like that to a vote.

[JackRiddler]

90. Ding! History! Excellent.

[CreekDog]

88. In your alliance with Tea Partiers...

would you be Moe or Curly?

[bvar22]

89. LOL....Nailed it.

:patriot:

[JackRiddler]

91. That was the position taken by the conservative parties of Germany in allying with the NSDAP...

However, never mind history, because obviously it deals in the possible.

Given how completely fictional your premises are, we need to know:

What would you do if the country was attacked by radioactive telepathic mice?

[bvar22]

92. This thread reminds me of the Ricky Gervais Show.

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[CreekDog]

106. Kevin is smarter than this

and a lot more imaginative too! :hi:

[bullwinkle428]

94. Funny - this is EXACTLY what the Libyan rebels said about the idea

of a foreign army's "boots on the ground", intervening in their own conflict. One the interviewed rebels stated flat-out that they would align with Qadaffi's army against the foreign invaders!

[ismnotwasm]

95. Ewwww

Tea party/unregulated or deregulate Capitalists vs Communism? Seriously?

Have you ever read Ursula Le Guins "The Dispossessed"?

[Capitalocracy]

102. Those are the two options.

No, you can't have anything inbetween, like a government that actually makes sense or deals with individual situations on an individual basis based on what works. Communism or Capitalism. Those are the choices.

[LoZoccolo]

107. The alliance would pretty much be limited to opposing authoritarianism and/or totalitarianism.

[white_wolf]

108. What do you think the teabaggers want to implement?

You don't really think they care about freedom do you? Half of them want Fascist state and the other half are likely theocrats.

[LoZoccolo]

112. I don't know all of the things, but one of the things is "not communism".

[white_wolf]

114. You know that is excatly the same logic

the conservative parties and businessmen of Germany used when siding with Hitler "at least he isn't a dirty commie." We all know how that turned out.

[LeftishBrit]

234. One of the things that the Mujahideen in '80s Afghanistan supported was "not communism"

That didn't mean that they were great people to support, though Reagan et al thought they were.

[Morning Dew]

98. If liberals tried to take over, I throw a big frickin' party. n/m

[retread]

100. Them damn commies is everywhere ain't they!!

Well, I was feelin' sad and feelin' blue,
I didn't know what in the world I was gonna do,
Them Communists they wus comin' around,
They wus in the air,
They wus on the ground.
They wouldn't gimme no peace...

So I run down most hurriedly
And joined up with the John Birch Society,
I got me a secret membership card
And started off a-walkin' down the road.
Yee-hoo, I'm a real John Bircher now!
Look out you Commies!

Now we all agree with Hitlers' views,
Although he killed six million Jews.
It don't matter too much that he was a Fascist,
At least you can't say he was a Communist!
That's to say like if you got a cold you take a shot of malaria.

Well, I wus lookin' everywhere for them gol-darned Reds.
I got up in the mornin' 'n' looked under my bed,
Looked in the sink, behind the door,
Looked in the glove compartment of my car.
Couldn't find 'em ...

I wus lookin' high an' low for them Reds everywhere,
I wus lookin' in the sink an' underneath the chair.
I looked way up my chimney hole,
I even looked deep inside my toilet bowl.
They got away ...

Well, I wus sittin' home alone an' started to sweat,
Figured they wus in my T.V. set.
Peeked behind the picture frame,
Got a shock from my feet, hittin' right up in the brain.
Them Reds caused it!
I know they did ... them hard-core ones.

Well, I quit my job so I could work alone,
Then I changed my name to Sherlock Holmes.
Followed some clues from my detective bag
And discovered they wus red stripes on the American flag!
That ol' Betty Ross ...

Well, I investigated all the books in the library,
Ninety percent of 'em gotta be burned away.
I investigated all the people that I knowed,
Ninety-eight percent of them gotta go.
The other two percent are fellow Birchers...just like me.

Now Eisenhower, he's a Russian spy,
Lincoln, Jefferson and that Roosevelt guy.
To my knowledge there's just one man
That's really a true American: George Lincoln Rockwell.
I know for a fact he hates Commies cus he picketed the movie Exodus.

Well, I fin'ly started thinkin' straight
When I run outa things to investigate.
Couldn't imagine doin' anything else,
So now I'm sittin' home investigatin' myself!
Hope I don't find out anything...hmm, great God!
Bob Dylan

[Name removed]

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[CrownPrinceBandar]

105. If the Underpants Gnomes tried to take over..............

I'd side with the Keebler Elves against them (cos they got magic!).

[blondeatlast]

109. Where, oh where, is the GOOD performance art? Is there such a thing? nt

[LoZoccolo]

111. :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN5vhvIAqY8

[BobbyBoring]

113. I used to live in a commune

Am I a communist?

[freshwest]

182. I almost did. Work called. But yes, you ARE a communist. Don't worry, we're your friends.

:rofl:

[nashville_brook]

116. most meaningless post ever.

[LoZoccolo]

117. The people accusing me of supporting the Tea Party have found meaning in it.

[tekisui]

119. What else are we to make of your shit-stirring?

You prefer the teabaggers over the workers. Got it.

Or are you just trolling for flames?

[LoZoccolo]

122. I do not think that all workers are communists.

[tekisui]

123. You don't think.

[City Lights]

118. Whatev...

Another one-liner OP. :eyes:

Unrec.

[Bluebear]

120. 'tried to take over' - like what, forming unions and stuff?

[LoZoccolo]

121. I think I've said about a hundred times that all unions are communist so of course.

[DireStrike]

171. Wait what? Are you being sarcastic?

I haven't seen you being sarcastic in this thread so I dunno. And I know you have some weird positions.

But "All unions are communist"?

[LoZoccolo]

174. Yes, I was dancing with the strawman.

[Canuckistanian]

125. Not bad, not bad...

I liked the "presidential vehicles exempted from green rules" better.

But this one may have staying power....

[TBF]

126. Of course you would - I would expect nothing less from you. nt

[TNLib]

131. You kind of sound like Archie Bunker

nt

[LoZoccolo]

134. I sing very much like him.

[socialist_n_TN]

159. Hey TNLib, welcome to DU........

Are you going to be a Legislative Plaza tomorrow? Well, I guess I'm just ASSUMING the TN stands for Tennessee.

[white_wolf]

161. I wish I could go.

Sadly I a test tomorrow and my teachers don't let us make them up.

[socialist_n_TN]

170. Good luck with the test.......

nm

[Name removed]

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[Duke Newcombe]

136. The "Communist" frame is played out.

The number of "communist" regimes still existing can be counted on the fingers of two hands with fingers left over. It's used by people who couldn't give you the definition of "communism" if you held a gun to their heads, or those who wish to scare those people with "isms".

I don't believe in an "ism", I believe in me :)

[Zynx]

137. Just out of curiosity, what prompted this comment?

Something did and I am curious what it was.

[LoZoccolo]

139. I was on my way to work and started thinking about alliances of otherwise-antagonistic groups.

[Zynx]

143. On this point, it would really depend on which Tea Partiers.

Some are very close to being fascists. That's not hyperbole.

[Better Believe It]

144. And if most people wanted to replace the capitalist system with some form of socialism you would ...

join the far right to oppose the people?

[white_wolf]

145. Join?

I think he's already on their side.

[LoZoccolo]

150. You're confusing "making an alliance" with "joining".

[LoZoccolo]

147. I've explained the parameters of my alliance at least two times in this thread.

[white_wolf]

148. And twice you've ignored my posts

where I pointed out that your using the exact same logic that allowed the Nazi party to gain power.

[LoZoccolo]

149. I saw it as futile because I've already said the alliance would not extend beyond that.

[white_wolf]

152. So you would propose voting tebaggers into the majorites of Congress

and the WH as opposed to socialists?

[LoZoccolo]

155. If people could still vote, I would not be forming an alliance with the Tea Party.

[white_wolf]

168. Once the communists were defeated the tea party would take power.

There would be no elections and those who opposed them would be dealt with. You can't ally with fascists.

[LoZoccolo]

173. For some reason we don't need communists to keep that from happening now.

[Terra Alta]

151. And I would form an alliance with the Communists against you and the Tea Party. nt.

[rug]

153. I can see that.

[David__77]

154. That is not a case in which I would unite with them.

There are cases in which I would unite with elements among them, however. Some are pro-growth, small "r" republicans that are not anti-labor. They may have some healthy instincts on certain issues. If "communists" were to attempt to take over, it would surely be because the progressive potential of the existing order had exhausted itself, and there was a crisis such as world war. In those circumstances, I would have to assess whether or not the "communists" were progressive or not. The right-wingers would surely be a dangerous faction to be repressed under such conditions.

[a la izquierda]

157. There's pretty much no way...

I'd ally with racist ignorami. In the past, communist groups have been able to ally with other left-leaning groups. Typically, anyway.

[Canuckistanian]

158. If the orthodontists tried to take over, I would form an alliance with insurance adjusters

'Cause that's how I roll.

[TheKentuckian]

164. Anti-Dentite!!!

[DireStrike]

165. We're supposed to be surprised?

[madinmaryland]

172. Un-rec for total stupidity. One bunch of nutbags versus another bunch of nutbags??

:wtf:

[freshwest]

175. Are these the same communists Glenn Beck talks about? George Soros, etc.?

[LoZoccolo]

178. No, not George Soros.

[Paradoxical]

179. This is one of the dumbest OPs I've ever read. Congrats.

[Enthusiast]

200. PLUS ONE! nt

[dflprincess]

183. Communists?

Did I fall down some kind of rabbit hole and land in 1950?

[unkachuck]

184. "If....

....communists tried to take over, I would form an alliance with the Tea Party against them."

....why, don't you think the Communists would bring a net improvement to our lives? Where I live, that wouldn't be very difficult....

[FloridaJudy]

185. If the space aliens invaded, I would invite them in for tea. n/t

[L. Coyote]

186. You could call yourselves the John Birch Society

and all you would need then would be a Joe McCarthy!

[Frank Cannon]

187. Ha. I challenge your average Teabagger to even tell me what a Communist is...

let alone point one out to me.

They tend to have, at best, a first-grade understanding of global politics.

[tiny elvis]

191. curses. i am foiled

i can still has means of production?

[robcon]

192. I would join that alliance, too. Communists are the enemy of Constitutional freedoms.

n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

205. And the goblins too. Don't forget those freedom hating goblins.

:rofl:

[white_wolf]

220. That is one of the most ignorant posts in this thread aside from the OP itself. Congrats.

[Dogtown]

194. Yes you would.

[LooseWilly]

195. If I join the commies in your farce, can I shoot you in the face?

... cause that prospect alone would win me over to the commie-cause ;)

You know what, I'm in even if you don't give me permission to shoot you in the face... I'll even settle for knifing you in the spleen... sounds like a good commie time to me...

[Kashka-Kat]

196. GOT NEWS FOR YOU - you are a communist (according to them)

In their stark polarized world, there is only THEM, and then there is "NOT THEM," which is by definition COMMUNIST or at least socialist.

[formercia]

197. Nothing like baiting the freepers.

:wtf:

[Keith Bee]

198. Is this supposed to be provocative?

:boring:

[LoZoccolo]

201. I liked your thread about Obama in 2012 as you can see from my reply.

[Javaman]

202. Did you watch "Red Dawn" drunk, again?

I love this thread!

This one ranks right up there with the now infamous "I will not be oppressed!" thread regarding the "unrec" function!

I love DU so much! :)

[LeftishBrit]

207. Reflecting on this...

there are dangers in assuming that 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

One main reason for appeasement of the Nazis in the 1930s, was that they were seen as opponents of communism.

In the 1980s, Reagan et al helped to build up the forerunners of the Taliban because they were against the Soviet Union.

Frankly, if I had only the choice in my country between a hardline communist takeover - NOT the same as socialism or even 'Eurocommunism', and a takeover by a group like the Tea Party - I would become an asylum seeker in another country! (Actually I am fortunate enough that I would not need to, as I have dual citizenship with Canada and would go there.)

[Zorra]

208. Sign up now. Librul hippie commie environmentalist union gays are at war with the Tea Party

at this very moment.

Fighting for freedom from Tea Party authoritarian fascism on a daily basis.

en garde!

[blindpig]

210. I wouldn't doubt it for a moment.

It's a natural fit.

See you at the barricades.

[eridani]

216. So, you and a bunch of FBI agents looking to establish a Communist cell--

--are having trouble finding an actual Communist?

[coalition_unwilling]

218. WTF? This is at best red baiting and unbefitting DU. Welcome to

my Ignore list.

[Hugabear]

221. If the Kardashians take over, I would form an alliance with Charlie Sheen against them

Although if the Jersey Shore were to take over, I'd just move to another fucking planet.

[Bucky]

224. Ah, so you chose the lesser of two weavils.

[Bluenorthwest]

223. Hell much of the OFA already has an alliance with the Baggers

they share many opinions, and work together to 'defend the Sacrament of marriage' so it can be holy for Newt and not tainted by teh gay. The McCarthyites have always been the same. Playing both sides. Nothing new under the sun.

[Puregonzo1188]

225. Could you define communist? Are you using Marx's definition or are you refering totalitarian

nations like the Former Soviet Union and the Democratic Republic of Korea which never defined themselves as communist (though they did define themselves as democratic and well as socialist of which they were neither).

[Douglas Carpenter]

227. if aliens tried to take over planet Earth-Teabaggers and Communist might form an alliance against

them. This is a far more likely possibility than Communist taking over the United States.

[Puregonzo1188]

230. Are you aware there two elected Communist Party members on the New York City Council?

Read up on them and tell me if you'd rather have Tea Parties then them.

[Warren DeMontague]

232. And if TEH GAY tried to take over, why, I would... I would.. I would...

well, wait a minute, now... that's a completely ridiculous fucking premise, isn't it?.

[PufPuf23]

233. What a stupid OP.

There are no communists in control anywhere.

There is the Tea Party in the USA and the Tea Party is bat shit crazy.

The Tea Party and Fundie religious nuts and greed head psychopaths and lying media and compromised lying pols are more a danger to the USA than communists or any outside actor except multi-national banks and energy companies and the MIC that have co-opted out Democratric Republic.

What a stupid conjecture. Glad I never read the thread and really the response wasn't worth the time.

My bad.

[Warren Stupidity]

237. ok you are off the list. We will not be contacting you.

[ClarkUSA]

239. Mao, Stalin, Tito and Putin are good examples of why communist leaders are a bad idea.

Give me a representative democracy where I can vote for my leadership. I can't see myself allying with teabaggers, even though PUMA Jane Hamsher didn't have any problem doing so when she teamed up with Grover Norquist and showed up on Murdoch's payroll on Faux News to drum up "Kill The Bill" support from teabaggers.

[roman7]

242. koch bros. & tea party

these people are doing everything they can to cause the united states goverment to fail . everything that has been gained in the name of prosperity & and freedom will be lost.even though i didnt like pres. bush,s policies i always hoped he would be successfull for the good of the country . the tea party controled republcan party work toward causing president obama to fail so that in the chaos they can rule.

[ClarkUSA]

243. I agree. Fascism and communism are flip sides of the same worthless coin.

[BOG PERSON]

249. the coin of politics

discardd politics forever, it is poison

[ClarkUSA]

252. That will happen only when humans are extinct or evolve into higher beings capable of only altruism.

[LynneSin]

241. If a bag of dog poop tried to take over I STILL wouldn't side with the Tea Party

I'd rather just form my own group and do it both smarter and better.

[Critters2]

244. + 1 nt

[Lucian]

245. FAIL.

[Electric Monk]

246. Communists are trying to take over, so what are you still here for?

[whatchamacallit]

247. Trollolo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA

[Tommy_Carcetti]

248. If aliens came down with 15 mile wide spaceships and tried to take over...

....I would form an alliance with the Tea Party to infect their master computer with a computer virus, thus disabling the forcefields around their ships and leaving them vulnerable to attack.

[sadbear]

253. I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

[The Second Stone]

251. If Zombies try to take over

I'll form an alliance with Zoroastrians and Ba'Hai's to fight them. And eat brains!