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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:06 PM Original message |
Reid: 'We'll look into' Quran burning |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Its just something politicians say |
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Inspired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is doing something known to incite violence protected? |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I don't think that violence is a reasonable retaliation against free speech |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Jones' actions did not "incite" the... |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
28. When did SCOTUS review the Terry Jones case? |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Read the decisions and... |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. The prong that is missing is imminence, The book burning was done |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
111. for one it happened in another country |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Defending abortion rights provokes violence. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. +1 |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
107. Yes and whenever an abortion rights, or gay rights, or anti-war advocate gets murdered |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
82. Me being gay is enough to incite violence with these people. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
108. So you mean the right to not be offended doesn't rank higher than the right to free speech? |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. It has been my experience that rewarding attention seeking behavior by giving attention... |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
4. Waste of time. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why don't they prosecute Jones? What he did was a hate crime, pure and simple. |
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The Northerner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. A person cannot desecrate his or her own private property? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. hate crime? Only if flag and/or bible burning is a hate crime |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Jones in blameless |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I'm definitely not going down that road. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. That isn't how hate crimes work |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. How is that not exactly what happened? |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. That isn't exactly what I described |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. If we cant prosecute Jones, we should at least denounce his actions. |
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JonLP24 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I'm really surprised that the end result of this wasn't more severe. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 08:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
118. Because Muslims can't control themselves? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
86. If there was an 'open fire ban' in effect due to dry conditions, he should |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Funny thing, Jones was exercising his right to free speech, |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. You're right, I don't. There, I said it. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Dude, what you are proposing is beyond a huge slipper slope, |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I do not want to do away with the first amendment., Not under any circumstance. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You are holding an oxymoronic position, |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I'm not giving a pass to anybody. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Addressed by limiting our right to Free Speech? |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I don't have a blind hatred of Christians, I never said that. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Sorry no |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I'm not arguing that. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. The problem is that we don't agree about what's morally wrong speech |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I see that argument. But my question still remains: Where do we draw the line? |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I don't think so |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I wish I had this part earlier: |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
113. That's a great idea, Initech |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. You want to take action against a guy who burned book |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. Epic Post |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Precisely. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. Holy crap - talk about going from one extreme to the other! |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
76. Someone in another country commits mass murder becuase they |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
106. It's not just Terry Jones. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Count on this: It WILL happen again |
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kelly1mm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Even if Jones intended for violence to occur and knew it would likely happen |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I'm gonna have to read up more on this case. I guess I don't know enough about it. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Also Texas V Johnson |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
74. agreed /nt |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Please cite this "hate crime" statute you believe exists |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. really? please post the appropriate statutes, FL and Federal |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
71. It was not a hate crime |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
99. Just because something is hateful, doesn't necessarily mean that it is a crime |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
109. He didn't murder anyone |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
117. No. It was a hate ACT. Not a hate crime. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. Of course it's pointless. Reid is a dumbass politician. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. If politicians (or anyone else) wants to issue a condemning statement |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. great, Reid, give him validation. The best thing to do is IGNORE him... |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Exactly right - ignore him, shun him, don't give him a platform. Don't make him a martyr by ginning |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. Good point, the best thing we can do is put these attention cravers on ignore. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Then you will remain ignorant of what they are saying |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Never thought of it that way. Seems you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. silence is tacit approval- |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Condemning the act then confirms the legitimacy of the disgusting and |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. do you really mean to imply that Jones isn't a fanatic? that he |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I got news for you: There are extremists everywhere |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Jones is a troublemaking ignoramus. Timothy McVeigh is an extremistist/ fanatic. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. if you do a little research on the man, I think you'll change your view- |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
87. He burned a book. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #87 |
112. he didn't only burn a book- and people didn't kill simply because |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #112 |
116. ooooh, a "holy book" |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
78. +1 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
53. well, no, it's censorship, and while I think Jones is an utter ass |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
96. Ignoring it is the correct course |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. A Mormon elder wants to investigate a Protestant minister since Muslim Imams in another country |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
15. You don't have to look long, Harry. The 1st Amendment is at the top of the document. nt |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. Is it OK if I piss on a Quran/Bible/Flag to put it out if someone lights it on fire? |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. Nope. That's litterin'. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
114. No...it means urine trouble ( You're in trouble...get it? get it? )!!! |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
21. > Isn't a senatorial probe into this matter pointless? |
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SolutionisSolidarity (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
34. Terry Jones has the right to burn his own property, on his own property, |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
37. I'm betting he goes in the Witness Protection Program |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
77. Tragically, she is NOT in the witness protection program |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. hearings?? sheesh! |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
43. It is sensational and all it does is give more attention to |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. Great. More meaningless platitudinizing in lieu of actual work. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
57. And they'll give him exactly what he wants. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
58. Let's ship Jones to Afghanistan |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
62. I'm burning one right now and I am using a bible to get it started. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
64. I think that is quite a waste of time... |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
66. Just a point |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #66 |
84. Sorry, the story has moved on |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Moved by author |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
68. Hey, let's just become a theocracy and get it over with. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. +1 |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
104. Oh, but then if it isn't the RIGHT theocracy, some murderous PEASANTS might take offense! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
70. Are they going to look into cartoons of Mohammed too? |
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StarlightGold (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
79. What for??? |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
85. Islamic extremists have been beheading, murdering, stoning, etc for |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #85 |
90. As we all know, it was Terry Jones who caused 9/11. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
91. It could be a good thing for Congress to do this |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. So a feel good bill that changes nothing and says nothing that is already well known is the answer? |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:49 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. My point is it could send an important message |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. It has been delivered long before. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. So we disagree on this tactical matter |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
94. I got something for him to 'look into'.... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
100. It's the "DO something" mentality |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
102. OFGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's an OBJECT made in a FACTORY by MACHINES and then SOLD. And we should LOOK |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
103. Bad Idea. Giving These Jackassess Attention Is Just What They Want |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Afghanis learned of Koran burnings w/o Congress |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
110. Yes. Pointless. Not an issue he should lower himself to. |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
115. If they do 'look into' this koran burning and issue a statement condemning such - |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. Not just religious objects, but any object of importance. |
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