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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 09:25 AM Original message |
JRR Tolkien about the role of Tom Bombadil in Lord of the Rings (yes this is GD material). |
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ChoppinBroccoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. I Always Wished The Movies Hadn't Cut Tom Bombadil Out |
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Ghost of Tom Joad (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. I agree, he was one of my favs, and do not understand |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. He doesn't move the action forward one bit.... |
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jobendorfer (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Bombadil presented another problem to the filmmakers as well |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:23 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. The story is divided in six books |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
70. "Magic swords are meant to be earned, not handed out by NPCs" |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
49. That's why I didn't like the movie.... |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
40. Because... |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. Well I'll second that. Or third it, whichever........ |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Let's face it: By the third part the movie version was interminable. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
62. Honestly, I think the last one won all the Oscars because it was the |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. Odd. Most people I've spoken to hate that character. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. Boy, not me. Bombadil would've been a bizarre detour in a story |
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raouldukelives (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. I find it curious that the main critics of pacifists |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. I would like to point out |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. This argument has been rebunked several times. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The argument falls apart even more if one takes the LOTR mythology (Silmarillion) into consideration |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I notice that no where in the Silmarillion is Tom Bombadil mentioned |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Look at the wikipedia article quoted in the OP. There is a section about |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Except doesn't Elrond say that Tom doesn't have the power to defy Sauron? |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well, ... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. I Thought it was HE who decided not to get involved with earthly creatures |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. Good OP and you make a good point |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Hm, I think the problem you may be having is figuring out who's Sauron in the real world. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I didn't say anything about Libya, though, did I? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 02:39 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I didn't say you did. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. You sure made a lot of assumptions about my post |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Okay, let's keep it simple. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. The only one reading "support for US military actions" into my post is you |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I get it. If you stay vague, you can never be wrong. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. I mean exactly what I said - try reading it instead of filling in your own words |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Your use of "non-pacifist" remains vague. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. For the LAST TIME: I am NOT interested in YOUR "specifics" |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Obviously you're not interested in any specifics. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. Well, there's also the example of the ents... |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. So Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. were "warmongers"? |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. No, in this case they had more facts to start with, I'd say. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. True... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. No. But the US isn't Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. The Pentagon is not Minas Tirith, it's Isengard. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
12. it has been over 30 years since I read that, but..... |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
61. Basically, Tom cast out the Barrow-wights |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
15. I have often discussed the vexing character of Bombadil with an amateur JRRT scholar |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Gandalf, one step below him could act. I see Tom as an Ainur |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. good analysis |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. To me, they aren't even in the same league. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
60. I've always figured Tom Bombadil was sort of... the ultimate elemental spirit. |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. I agree. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. This same point is also made in a different context in LOTR. |
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I Drink Water (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
18. I like the part... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. by the by, this thread is beautiful. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:22 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. your avatar is beautiful... lmao nt |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. Excellent point |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. If you are assuming that the U.S. is Rivendell |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. LoL. No I am absolutely not assuming that. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Didn't Tolkien himself specifically say |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yes, but so what? |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. "published this in the year WWII started? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Thank you for the correction... |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. The distinction between allegory and applicability isn't just semantics. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. It's not just semantics. It's also not always a dichotomy, but a scale. Thanks. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Actually, he said more than that... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Well if he said that, then he's in agreement with my post #26 (below). |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Yep, I found the quote: |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #25 |
54. Yes, emphatically.... however |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Sure there's a metaphor for the US in LOTR: Isildor. Or Saruman... |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. The U.S. would do to the Shire pretty much what Saruman did |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. SOMEBODY certainly wanted wanted to keep the ring in the United States. |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
41. well, we all know what REALLY happened |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
42. I love this part: |
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ikri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
50. There is a weird theory.... |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. So when Frodo gives him the ring... |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. As far as completely baseless ideas go, that one is fun. |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. See post #63 (n/t) |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
63. The TRUTH about Tom Bombadil |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. You never see the two of them together... lmao |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-06-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. "The ol' Witch-king is a merry fellow... (n/t) |
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