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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:42 PM Original message |
Is "or else" really going to get Obama re-elected? |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. Or Else? Governor Walker. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Recommend |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. Who else? n/t |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. Mitt, Newt, Huck, Michelle, Tim, etc. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. That would be the point I made. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Oh I donno, I could see voting for Michelle Bachmann, |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Someone would have to use my rotting fingers off |
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Odious justice (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. yes |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. Depending on if there is a primary... |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. States like WI, OH, IN, and FL will be interesting. Usually local elections ride on the national - |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. Assuming the dictators of those states allow fair elections. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Yes it is. |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. go ahead and teach him a lesson. It worked so well in 2010. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Yup, the youth, minorities, Obamacans, and "centrists" sure taught a message. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Obama is where he is because he has been successful. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. +1 n/t |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Very successful! |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
58. Failures like Bush, Hoover, and Reagan all were elected. Some multiple times. |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. "successful" to whom? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
105. Success by what definition? George W. Bush won re-election. That's a low standard to beat. |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. No flames from me. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
10. Barack Obama, Michelle Bachmann...you decide |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. motivate with the carrot, not the stick |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
11. Just a hunch... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. My call for slogan is "lasting change" |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. He is talking about a lot of posters here on DU Skinner. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. No, actually, the overwhelming support by Democrats for the |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. "don't confuse me with the facts" n/t |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
38. +1 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
13. k/r |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. It shouldn't even need to be said. The "or else" is obvious. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
89. Of course we fear the GOP ... they'd keep the wars going, attack public education, Social Security.. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
17. Not in my case |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. its exactly the argument that the other side is going to use to get out heir voters |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
53. I would like to be the first to propose a name for the 2012 Republican movement |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
72. Exactly - and Republicans don't sit around claiming they aren't |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. he can run on his record, that isn't an "or else" proposition |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
20. I think it's highly unlikely he'll lose. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. It won't have to. n/t |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
23. That's how he hopes to keep the Left while he simultanously courts the Center/Right with... |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
26. My vote will be given with no strings attached. |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. I'll be voting for him as, at minimum, a talented place-holder. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
28. Apparently so. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think you are out of touch. Apr 3, Obama approval among Dems = 80% |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. Remind me again what Obama is doing in Wisc, OH, Ind ????? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. remind me again what power he has over state issues? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Exactly what he should be - letting *US* handle it and not making it about him. |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #40 |
108. Kucinich has been absent too, and OH is his home state! |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Many, many people are now former dems |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Obama didn't listen???? Where have you been??? |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Sorry, but none of that translates to those of us |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. What are they now, Republicans??? |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #75 |
104. Of course not. The dem party left them, not the other way around. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. Which, all told, is irrelevant on election day. The current numbers aren't enough to re-elect him. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Trying to use polling when there isn't a Republican candidate yet will not work. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Good points. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. That may be the worst use of polling data I've ever seen at DU |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Lol, I know, I was just responding to its use upthread. |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. Then, we're pretty useless.... |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. Polls mean nothing. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. I guess it works on me. If I vote in CO I will vote for him, if I vote in CT then I won't. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
34. Yes |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
35. It's an effective strategy for reaching the grown ups in the room... |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. LOL |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. I think in 2008 a shit-ton of folk voted FOR Obama..in 2012 they'll be voting AGAINST whichever... |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. +1. There will be a lot of votes for President Placeholder. n/t |
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tallahasseedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
67. I'm okay with that... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
77. I suspect that in 2008 a shit-ton of folks voted against 8 years of repub mismanagement |
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Keith Bee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
37. 2008 spoiled us |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
41. "Or, else" and "Not as bad" is a "no sale" for me. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. +1 |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. On the other hand it works fine for the other side |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
92. +1. I don't respond well to threats and intimidation. |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
44. I think there's plenty of reasons beyond "or else" to vote for him in 2012 though. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. I don't think this is all that unusual |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
50. "Re-Elect POTUS: Because Wall Street needs more money!!!" |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
95. Bernanke/Summers 2012 vs Chase/Goldman Sachs 2012 |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
52. It's the ONLY reason I'll be voting for him this time. |
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Sivart (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Someone else already said it..... |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
54. The threat works on me. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
56. future SCOTUS |
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tech9413 (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
61. It might happen but I can promise you one thing |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
64. Or else has to be used on a small minority,only. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. +1 |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
68. Explaining plain reality is not political terrorism. Just because you feel an argument is |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
69. When the "or else" is Michelle Bachmann |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
71. Most people probably don't require that, but if you do, OK |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
73. if you don't vote for obama, lyndon larouche will become president. |
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TK421 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
78. Well, I don't take the "or else" as a threat, more like a fear-mongering tactic |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. I agree but it depends on the "or Else" |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Is there really anyone currently even thinking about running that you would consider moderate? |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. Not much of a campaign slogan is it? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
85. Yes, every reason to vote for Obama boils down to "or else" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
86. "Or else, GOP will cut Social Security, COLA's, give tax breaks to wealthy" ... ??? |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yes, it probably will. It's the "2012: Where else you gonna go, bitch?" campaign. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Basically. |
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Chris_Texas (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
88. Obamacare was the biggest betrayal of the poor in our nation's history |
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liberal life (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
90. no matter how you feel about Obama, the Republican Nazi party is worse |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Living in an iron lung is better than ebola. But why can't I have a life? |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
91. Actually, since you brought that up...no. |
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tahrir (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
94. not necessarily, but either way the elite win |
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somone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
97. The choice is ample |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
98. That's honestly their best argument. |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
99. I think it will. We have no other choice. It's similar to |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
102. Whole lot of condescending going on here... |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-04-11 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
103. "Or else" is an idle threat. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
106. This may be the first election I don't bother to vote in. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
107. No. He's going to lose in 2012. |
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Sivart (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. They are going to beat him over the head with...... |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-05-11 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
109. Let me ask that of you in another way |
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111. What a cute kitty. |
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