fYi, I rcvd email from Sibel Edmonds today

[gimama]

She has a great website..it's her once-a-year fund-raiser, & she needs some help.
Show this brave Patriot some LOVE if Ya can. She needs cash,too.
www.boilingfrogspost.com/

:patriot:

pls. share..thank Yous!

[Vinnie From Indy]

1. Edmonds is a con artist

Patriot my ass! Give her money? What for? Anyone that gives that woman money is a sucker, a rube and a hayseed.

Cheers!

[inna]

2. according to Vinnie From Indy.

enough said.

[Vinnie From Indy]

3. Yeah! That's right!

Cheers!

[sabrina 1]

15. Got anything to back up your statement? You just called

a DUer a con artist. I think you need to back it up. DU rules forbid that kind of personal attack as far as I know.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ghost in the Machine]

36. Thanks for some more background info..

Seems he's been getting away with it for quite some time now. I've noticed a few like here, though.

Peace,

Ghost

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. You got something to back that statement up with??

She is also a member of DU, so you are in some serious rules violations here...

[Vinnie From Indy]

5. Hey! If you want to give that woman your money - have at it!

There is no one stopping you. I would offer that anyone considering doing so to search DU. There is plenty of information about Edmonds from which to ascertain her truthfulness. You choose not to do that - that's your choice.

Cheers!

[Ghost in the Machine]

8. I didn't ask you for more unsubstantiated blathering, I asked you for something to back up

your assertion. Do you know the difference??

"You choose not to do that - that's your choice."

Actually, I have followed her case for a few years, hence the request for you to back up your assertions. A Congressional Committee found her to be truthful... what do you have to dispute it?

[Vinnie From Indy]

24. Oh really?

Have you ever read her depositions?

In short, Edmonds worked as a contract employee at the FBI for what amounts to a few weeks and turned a departmental complaint against other employees into a shiny new business.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6639582&mesg_id=6639582

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6622506&mesg_id=6622506

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9381826

cheers!

[sabrina 1]

27. Yeah, but it was the nature of the complaint that was important.

She wasn't complaining about someone taking too long a lunch break, was she?

Congress agreed with her too airc.

Why did you leave out the nature of the complaint?

[Vinnie From Indy]

28. One thing is certain, Edmonds has done a masterful job at self-promotion

It is as if you folks are hypnotized everytime you read her name. Your response is a brilliant example of the effectiveness of Edmonds as a con artist.

The NUMBER ONE response from Edmond's dittohead brigade is that Congress found her wild stories credible. I will repeat this AGAIN for what seems like the millionth time - Edmonds INITIAL CLAIM OF MISCONDUCT AT THE FBI WAS THE ONLY FUCKING THING THAT HAS EVER BEEN SUBSTANTIATED BY CONGRESS. That is IT! What EDmonds has done brilliantly is to take that validation of her initial claims against her co-workers in her section at the FBI and use it as some sort of magic shield for her LATER outrageous claims.

So, in short, it is you that has no idea what was or was not validated by any member of Congress in regard to Edmonds.

There are some very informative pieces of information in the threads I listed above. The Magistrate does a brilliant job of explaining why Edmonds is NOT credible in regard to her allegations against Rep. Shakowsky.

[sabrina 1]

29. Well, I wasn't convinced by her allegations against Rep.

Shakowsky. People can be right about some things and wrong about others. As for Congress, do you know what information they validated?

[Vinnie From Indy]

30. Yes, I do and you can too if you choose to make the minor effort of

reading a few of the threads I posted. The Magistrate has a post with the link to the public findings of the Congressional committee that looked into Edmonds allegations.

Cheers!

[Obamanaut]

7. Isn't a request for fund raising w/o approval of administrators also a

violation?

[Ghost in the Machine]

9. Do you see one of those "Administrator Approved" disclaimers with every post

asking to donate to ActBlue, or any individual candidate for office? How about for MoveOn.org? PETA? Kucinich? Obama?

:shrug:

Ms Edmonds didn't request that the OP post this here, I'm pretty sure. The OP is just passing on an email..

[Obamanaut]

10. The OP is asking DUers to contribute. Here are the words ->

"She has a great website..it's her once-a-year fund-raiser, & she needs some help.
Show this brave Patriot some LOVE if Ya can. She needs cash,too."

It looks like you answered the question with a question. There is a rule re donation requests/admin approval, isn't there?

[Ghost in the Machine]

12. We have a Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group here.. Here are SKINNER'S words

"5. Some solicitations for petition campaigns and financial contributions to her legal campaign, etc. would be encouraged if verified to be completely done without interest for personal monetary gain by the submitting party."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=344x1

I don't think the OP stands to personally gain monetarily by posting the email from Ms. Edmonds... what do you think?

[Obamanaut]

13. I guess it depends on whether or not one considers a personal blog to

be "...petition campaigns and financial contributions to her legal campaign..."

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. Did you purposely leave off the "etc." at the end of the sentence you quoted?

:shrug:

I guess it more depends on what one considers "etc.", doesn't it?

She has gone from being the "most gagged woman in the US" to running a website that focuses on investigative journalism:

"About Boiling Frogs Post

Boiling Frogs Post is an online news, editorial, analysis, and Podcast interview site covering select but significant blacked out stories and issues, while defying blinded partisanship. Each one of our partner investigative journalists brings 20+ years of investigative journalism experience in reporting controversial and daring topics. Our weekly Podcast interview series, the Boiling Frogs Show, features in depth original interviews with well-respected and controversial guests"


"Sibel Edmonds- Founder & Publisher

Sibel Edmonds is the founder and president of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC), a nonprofit organization dedicated to aiding national security whistleblowers. She has appeared on national radio and TV as a commentator on matters related to whistleblowers, national security, and excessive secrecy & classification, and has been featured on CBS 60 Minutes, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, and in the New York Times, Washington Post, Vanity Fair, The American Conservative, and others. Her book, ‘Shooting the Messenger’, co-authored with Professor William Weaver, is forthcoming from Kansas University Press in the fall of 2010.

PEN American Center awarded Ms. Edmonds the 2006 PEN/Newman’s Own First Amendment Award for her “commitment to preserving the free flow of information in the United States in a time of growing international isolation and increasing government secrecy”. She is also the recipient of the 2004 Sam Adams Foundation Award."

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/about-us/

A lot of us support her, and what she is doing. No one is trying to force you to donate to her or anything, that is your own choice to make.

**Engages mind control machine to implant subliminal messages to donate to Sibel Edmonds in Obamanaut's brain** :evilgrin:


edited: to fix errant (and totally evil) HTML tag

[Obamanaut]

16. Yes. In the sentence, appearing just prior to the 'etc,' one can see the

word 'campaign' twice. Many people might consider the 'etc' to include other forms of campaign. Some people would not cosider a personal blog to be one of these.

[Ghost in the Machine]

17. And some people WOULD consider it another form of campaign..

We can call it her "Reporting the truth" campaign. How about that?

Now let's have a little more fun, ok? Read the quoted text again...

"5. Some solicitations for petition campaigns and financial contributions to her legal campaign, etc. would be encouraged if verified to be completely done without interest for personal monetary gain by the submitting party."

You got it now?

Could you please tell us all, exactly, how the OP (who would be the submitting party in this case) would expect to have any "interest for personal monetary gain" by posting this.

You asked if posting the OP violated a rule. I have shown you that, according to Skinner's post, it doesn't. It might not be the answer you wanted to hear, but there it is. If you really have a problem with it, quit being intentionally obtuse and take it up with Skinner in the "Ask The Administrators" forum.

Have a nice day! :hi:

Ghost

[Obamanaut]

23. We could call it that, if it would make us (well, you) feel better. And I suppose

that would make it so (well, for you.)

After reading the quoted text again, as you requested, I came up with the same thing - again.

If one were to read "The field had dozens of small animals, weasels, meer cats, field mice, etc., all clamoring for food." In that 'etc' one might also possibly expect to see a raccoon, opossum, kitten, or skunk. One would not expect the 'etc' to include an elephant or horse - those not being small animals.

As to motivation for placing such an OP, one rarely if ever knows what is in the mind of anyone when he/she does something/anything.

*You* got it now?

I always have a nice day. This is, after all, simply an anonymous internet forum. If one were to allow it to adversely affect one's daily life, that would be sad indeed. I was up calming dogs frightened by a thunderstorm. That is gone, the dogs are settled, and I'm going to the gym. Yes, I will have a nice day.

[bobbolink]

33. Or the requests for donations for Japan, the Red Cross, etc.

There are many requests for donations all the time on DU.

[Recursion]

19. Well, there's the fact that she dangled "the biggest story ever" for the better part of a decade

... all the while asking for legal defense money, and still manages to never reveal the alleged bombshell she has (or, if she has, it's not much of a bombshell -- before 9/11, the FBI engaged in a turf war with the CIA over documents and sources, and mid-level embassy officials overseas are taking baksheesh).

[snooper2]

26. "serious rules violations"

Series!!!!!!!
on a message board :)
:rofl:


Don't send the phone cops. Phone cops fuck you over every damn time.

[bobbolink]

32. Then please alert.

[JohnyCanuck]

20. I'd be surprised if author James Bamford didn't send a few bucks her way

Naive fool that he is, encouraging the other suckers, rubes and hayseeds to send that woman money.

My congratulations to Sibel Edmonds on the launch of “Boiling Frogs”! At a time when most mainstream news organizations are constantly following the beat of the same few drummers, there is a critical need for independent, alternative, and new media to expand the boundaries of thought. For nearly a decade, Sibel has fought against excessive government secrecy, built up an organization of more than one hundred national security whistleblowers, and exposed government attempts to cover-up abuses.

Now with BOILINGFROGSPOST.COM, Sibel is taking the next step and establishing a beautifully designed website to give voice to these ideas, opinions, and viewpoints that are largely missing from the narrow stream of daily journalism. It is an appropriate metaphor. Like frogs slowly boiling as the water temperature gradually increases, many Americans have slowly grown to accept as normal increasing governmental abuse, from torture to warrantless wiretapping to wars based on lies.

Supporting Boiling Frogs is an important way to wake up the American public before the water gets too hot to climb out of the pot.

James Bamford

James Bamford is one of the country’s leading writers on intelligence and national security issues. His books include “The Puzzle Palace,” “Body of Secrets,” “A Pretext for War: 9/11, Iraq and the Abuse of America’s Intelligence Agencies,” and most recently “ The Shadow Factory”. Mr. Bamford coproduced NOVA’s “The Spy Factory”, which was based on his latest book. He has written for many magazines, including investigative cover stories for The New York Times Magazine, The Washington Post Magazine and The Los Angeles Times Magazine, and is a contributing writer for Rolling Stone. His 2005 Rolling Stone article “The Man Who Sold the War” won a National Magazine Award for reporting. He also spent a decade as the Washington investigative producer for the ABC News program, World News Tonight with Peter Jennings, and taught at the University of California, Berkeley, as a distinguished visiting professor.


http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/03/08/boiling-frogs-post-countdown-week-2-2/
(You have to page down after clicking the link to see Bamford's quote)

[Poboy]

22. great supportive post.

[sabrina 1]

6. K&R n/t

[Keith Bee]

11. Ditto

[rasputin1952]

18. Seems kind of cut and dried to me...

if you wish to help Ms. Edmonds, please do; if you don't, then don't. I can't see how dragging someone through the mud will help or hinder the cause. It's really not all that difficult of a decision.

[Poboy]

21. Clearly Ms Edmonds is on an Obama loyalists' 'enemies list'.

She is being attacked because she dare speak out on what Obama is not doing, so she needs to be destroyed.
On my way to donate now...

[Vinnie From Indy]

37. No, Edmonds is on any rational person's "Not gonna be Flim-Flammed" List

Seriously, go read her deposition. Take a special note of the actual amount of time she spent in her six months at the FBI. By her own admission, she only worked PART-TIME during the six months she was formally employed as a CONTRACT employee at the FBI. Take out weekends and holidays and Edmonds probably worked to what amounts to a few hundred hours. Also by her own admission, she had no training as a spy, an intelligence agent nor as an FBI field agent. Her claims are that in the span of what amounts to a few days, she was given information about investigations into senior White House officials, members of Congress, senior State Department officials and foreign governments. Not only does she claim to have seen documents containing explosive information about the most senior members of government in the US and in Illinois, she claims to have understood the scope of these investigations. In short, her claims do not pass the smell test. There is absolutely no way the FBI would ever give a newly hired contract employee access to such a wide ranging, extremely high level investigations. It simply would not happen.

Lastly, for the last ten years Edmonds has not produced anything that has held up to even minor scrutiny for more than a minute or two.

Why not give your money to the Japanese relief efforts or some other worthy cause? Just a thought!

Cheers!

[Lorien]

31. I've been one of her FB friends for a few years. She reached 5,000 so she just

started a boiling frogs page on FB. I haven't checked to see if it's up yet.

[Vattel]

34. Recommended for comic value:

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/02/20/hillary-clinton-beware-of-the-mini-pharaoh-in-our-own-backyard/#more-3071

[HCE SuiGeneris]

35. K & R