You will always be voting for the candidate that you dislike the least.

[LoZoccolo]

FDR kept people in camps because of their lineage and said that collective bargaining by public sector workers shouldn't be permitted.

Dennis Kucinich said that politics needs a left and a right wing to fly and considered Ron Paul as a vice-presidential candidate, on top of putting an element of a conspiracy theory inside proposed legislation (and retracting it in a later version of the bill - even if you say the conspiracy is real you then have to admit that he caved). Besides, he ended his presidential run to go home and save his job as a representative. If his run really did stand to change anything, then he thought those things less important than keeping his job; how does that make you feel? Why do you keep coming back to someone who slaps you in the face like that?

You could go on and on about this. If you say that you'd rather vote for someone than against their opponent, you are not saying anything meaningful. You still like one better than the other.

There is no perfect candidate and everyone knows this. When people talk about not having the perfect candidate, it's not really their purpose to promote one because they know such a candidate doesn't exist. They actually want something else. You are not going to get it by distracting all of us this way. The rest of us are trying to help people. Please do not distract us from helping other people.

[The Straight Story]

1. People voted for reagan and not against carter

:)

[Yo_Mama]

2. Oh, come on

Sometimes we get to vote for someone we really support strongly.

I agree that most of the time you are right.

[LoZoccolo]

3. That is only a matter of degree.

As long as there is a better candidate, nothing really changes. There is still one better and one worse.

[Yo_Mama]

8. The key to getting better candidates

Is to work in the primaries.

But of course, you are right. Nobody votes for the candidate they think is the worst.

[LoZoccolo]

11. To win the primaries, you have to work on the electorate.

But that's work. The netroots think they have found a way around that, to give the elected officials the impression that there's going to be a lot of people involved in a mutiny, or just to browbeat them every day. It's easy, and it makes people think that they are doing something that will work. Mostly it just distracts the people who are willing to work from their work.

[Yo_Mama]

20. Local party organization

Yes, it's a long slow process, but over time it is what changes politics.

That's not to say that forums like this don't help a lot - they make you aware of political trends and issues. They are only a supplement to traditional politics, though, not a replacement.

In the end, it is the precinct by precinct work that lays the groundwork so that we can have candidates of whom we are proud. We shouldn't ever forget that. I guess it just bothers me when I hear people making despairing comments. Okay, I'm miserable about a lot of things. But that misery should just be a signal to get out and do stuff at the local level.

I don't want people to fall into passivity.

[upi402]

4. One detail

There's no opposition party to corporatism. Kucinich was banned from nomonation debates and the other "Democrats" gave tacit aproval.

I'm done voting for Republicans, in either party.

done

[LoZoccolo]

7. Right, this is why they spend so much money trying to defeat Democrats.

I would have much more respect for someone who was able to point out specifically where Democrats need to change, rather than trying to foist hyperbole on thinking people.

Seriously, we're trying to be serious here. You owe it to us to be serious. There's no way that these people would spend their money so vigorously against Democrats if they were the same. We're tired of hearing this because there is overwhelming evidence that it's false. If you have a problem with this or that, then explain to us why you don't like this or that. Don't waste our time with tantrums and falsehoods.

[joentokyo]

10. The money to both parties come from the same corporations. Wake up! You are owned.

[LoZoccolo]

12. Why would the insurance companies spend so much trying to defeat Obama's health care plan?

[upi402]

13. If I need to educate you about that

then you aren't worth the investment of my time.

I am serious. You are either drunk on TV News or in serious denial. Your post is flamebait.

[LoZoccolo]

16. Why would anybody believe that you're not copping out?

[upi402]

21. or... you're sold out and pimpin' the same tired Obama BS

that was used to lie his ass into office in the first place.

Lie to yourself -fine. But can the flamebait and propaganda. Obama is a Republican in the Democratic Party. There will be no Democrat to vote for. We are disenfranchised.

And you must be new to the game son. Take a break from your own bullshit and take time to learn a thing or two about the movement we struggle for.

[LoZoccolo]

23. Try to be serious and answer the question.

Person A has no explanation, but tells his opponent that if he doesn't already know, it's not worth explaining.

Person B has an explanation, but tells his opponent that if he doesn't already know, it's not worth explaining.

Person C sees both person A and person B say this.

How does person C distinguish between the person who has the explanation, and the person who doesn't?

Remember, there are a lot of people in the position of person C watching you right now! I would think you'd want to stick to the topic and answer the question!

[upi402]

24. LOL

There are not a lot of people watching me, but thanks for playing.
Seriously. The list of Obama betrayals is almost as long as his record in office. His appointees are a roll-call of corporatists.
and YOU want to call ME out?
:rofl:
If you want to get serious, first get real and find a piece of ground in reality.

PREDICTION: You will get your Obama. You will get your corporatist Dem Party. And the country will collapse. Be filled with joy, you will get what you ask for.

[joentokyo]

9. Well, at least one person has awakened from the sleep TV promotes.

[upi402]

14. Welcome to DU

:fistbump:
I sense a veteran of the struggle

[elocs]

5. Even for those who believe that Dennis Kucinich is the perfect candidate, he has a big flaw:

he couldn't be elected to a statewide office in Ohio much less the entire nation.

[rug]

6. I'm fired up!

[Scuba]

15. Not true. In 2008 I voted for a candidate I liked very much....

...oh, how I wish that man were President today.

[Historic NY]

17. If FDR was running today he wouldn't get any love from some DU'ers...

[LoZoccolo]

19. Of course not, because it's not about making a fair evaluation.

It's about trying to get more with verbal bullying of our elected officials. This is why there's a disconnect between the general population of liberals, and the population of liberals on the Internet in terms of their (apparent) approval of Obama.

[upi402]

22. He wouldn't be allowed in the nomination debate, Like Kucinich

and his fellow modern "Democrats" would be silently snickering with glee.

[fishwax]

18. I believe many of those you are complaining about/to are also trying to help people n/t