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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:26 PM Original message |
Let's close San Onofre now |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Fine by me, where do I sign? And while we're at it, let's keep moving across |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. And create what in its place? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. If people are really capable of "safely" containing material that is deadly for 200,000 years |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That's a wonderful sentiment. But OP wants to close San Onofre now. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. And do you think the OP is going to wave a magic wand and close it - now? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. We're talking hypotheticals |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. And how much did San Onofre cost to build? How much is that in 2011 dollars? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. When the sun goes down and the wind stops blowing |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Again, if those problems are truly technologically insurmountable |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. As a side note |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Unfortunately burning biomass creates lots of not-so-dandy CO2 |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Neither is generating hundreds of tons of deadly radioactive waste |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not nearly as deadly as the thousands of tons of fossil fuel waste |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. And round and round and round we go. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, there's no way to store it now |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. And in the 45 or so yrs of commercial nuclear power, we've had how many 'impossible' accidents, now? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. You can't squeeze water from a rock, not for all the money in the world. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Actually, we're getting 100% of our energy from renewables up here, more or less. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I have the renewables plan through my utility |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I undestand that the grid is big, but again, I don't think PDX is 20% nuclear. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You're right, only 3% is nuclear (as of 2005) |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. That must be coming from WNP-2, then |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. San Onofre is just a few minutes from the Pacific ocean -- in an earthquake zone. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Where should the nuclear material be taken to? nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Your question defeats your argument that the site should be maintained. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. You may be surprised |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. Deleted message |
JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. My neighbors and I would love to have solar panels on our homes. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Where will you get your power at night? |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. "Where will you get your power at night?" Are you for real? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Though you contribute power to the grid during the day |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Did you read? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. We need to work on ways to store energy. |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. My deep cycle, wired in series |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. How many kWh do you get per day? nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. Have you traveled in Northern Germany? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. If we seriously start the process now, we just may possibly finish |
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thereismore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. I live 40 miles away from San Onofre. Just outside the exclusion zone. nt |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. What do you propose replacing that power with? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. San Onofre was a legendary surfing beach |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. You are mistaken... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. So, let's get started on a serious replacement for San Onofre right now. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Since you're local, you should take a tour. |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Even if it's shut down, you still will have the fuel rods there. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. move the fuel rods |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. That's not something that can be done immediately. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. So I guess more fuel rods should be accumulated because |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
63. Who said that? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. But the argument is that we should keep producing |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Some people argue that, I'm not one of them. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. That is why we need to start now. It will take some years to replace |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. so git er done, y'know? |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
15. I remember those old maps that used to show what the fallout areas |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Excellent idea, jwirr. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
58. Yes, like truth in packaging laws this would be truth about safety maps, nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
19. And El Diablo, a few hundred miles up the coast. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. Oh, lets! |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
32. Leeaked NRC memos reveal staffers believe back up cooling systems won't work in quake nt |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Immediately shut down Onofre... |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. At a mimimum they need to check the safety of these plants !! nt |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I heartily agree. nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. We need the will and money, meaning a government |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. And it appears that trying to be safe at San Onofre has its price: |
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a simple pattern (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. I agree completely. |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. And also natural gas powered, combined cycle cogeneration |
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felix_numinous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-07-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. K&R We CAN transition from nuclear, coal and oil |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. Gives new meaning to the words |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-08-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
68. Let's shut down all nuclear plants right now. |
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