Numbers of Children of Whites Falling Fast

[alp227]

Source: The New York Times

WASHINGTON — America’s population of white children, a majority now, will be in the minority during this decade, sooner than previously expected, according to a new report.

The Census Bureau had originally forecast that 2023 would be the tipping point for the minority population under the age of 18. But rapid growth among Latinos, Asians and people of more than one race has pushed it earlier, to 2019, according to William Frey, the senior demographer at the Brookings Institution who wrote the report about the shift, which has far-reaching political and policy implications.

The single largest increase was among Hispanics, whose birthrates are far above those of non-Hispanic whites, largely because the white population is aging and proportionally has fewer women in their child-bearing years. The median age of whites is 41, compared with 27 for Hispanics, the report said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/06/us/06census.html

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The reaction of fools:

[golfguru]

1. Whites are on endangered list yet?

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. Apparently so.

As soon as the number of whites falls below the aggregate number of all minorities, they become a minority. Because 3+5+21+23 equals more than 48, therefore the 48 must be a minority.

:eyes:

[sofa king]

20. No, because protecting them would be expensive for farming conglomerates.

This is exactly what Richard Pombo wanted.

[greiner3]

42. 'Black Irish;

Even so I have never considered myself associated with any race, other then the human one.

There are no races within the human experience. There was a 'bottleneck' of Homo sapiens (hehehehe he said homo) before 100,000 years ago-yesterday in terms of evolutionary time. This compacted our genome and limited the possibility of any one person or group of humans being that much different than any other human. When the genome is studied there are no combinations of genes that signify how to tell a Caucasian from an African or Asian. To even think otherwise is absurd and shows extreme ignorance when discussing the topic seriously.

Given a human generation is 25 years this gives roughly 4000 generations since all humans were 'one.' A simple bacteria's 'generation' is 20 minutes. Extrapolating this to 4000 generations of bacteria every 2 year. Experiments show there can be meaningful mutations within these colonies of bacteria be the 40,000th generation, one human generation. In humans this might account for a small shift, say in hair color, eye color, an epicantal fold or skin color. Taken over the 4,000th human generation all these small mutations do add up but there is complete and experiments show possibly robust matings the human has no race. We are a complete species that enjoys a single niche within the grand scheme of all species now on the planet.

One note to add-after studying the major religions and their major claims in dogma-I have concluded that some superior being has given us certain knowledge. Our limited understanding and ignorance has deemed the knowledge to be god given and has created stories out of them so that the average man might be able to somewhat understand their meaning. Take the Noah story in the Cristian and Jewish Bible. This tries to explain that a terrible disaster killed all other life forms other than the ones in which were able to live traveling in the ark. Taken on a grander scale could this explain the disaster in which killed off most of humanity and its food sources? How about the story of Babel in the same text? Some force dispersed all of humanity and they traveled to all parts of the globe. Here they mutated somewhat, developed different customs, religions and ways of life. Travel amongst the different cultures over the millennial allowed some gene flow but overall the different segments of far flung humanity kept their own separate identities. That is until very recent when the world shrunk and young people do what they do best, produce babies. I think that within another 4,000 human generations there will be so little differentiation within our genome and phenome that the most bigoted and ignorant cannot say we are not one race.

[yardwork]

49. That's exactly what freaks out the white supremacists.

Some people are invested in the idea that their group is somehow different and superior to all others. They resist any facts that show otherwise.

[golfguru]

71. The fact that Whites are not at the top of college level

grades must surely freak out the white supremacists.

[golfguru]

70. Very good post

Just in 200 years, Americans living near southern border for many generations (Texas, Arizona)
are 2 shades darker than their compatriots near the northern border. The northerners lack melanin
more since it is not needed in sun starved climates.

Humans along with other species are remarkably quick in adapting to environment.

[defendandprotect]

2. Good -- whose "white" anyway? Check your skin against a piece of paper ...

we're all people of color -- though some of us are a bit pinker or beiger than others!!

[Stuckinthebush]

34. Dude, I'm a vampire

I think about sun and I burn.

I'm so white I glow.

People sit next to me at the pool to get the reflected rays to improve their tans.

:D

[freshwest]

57. Thanks...

:rofl:

[defendandprotect]

68. Well, most aren't vampires -- that's why they let the term "mulatto" drop ....

everyone began to wonder if they were "white" enough!!

[Codeine]

74. I make white glue look swarthy.

Next to me albinos look like Samuel L. Jackson.

[WCGreen]

3. I firmly believe the political urgency on the right is directly attributable

to this major shift in demographics...

[OHdem10]

5. You are probably correct. I think this could account for all

craziness we have seen in Politics the past two years.

Fear makes people do nutty things.

[tpsbmam]

75. Absolutely. nt

[The Wielding Truth]

6. Well this is when we ask ourselves are we many races or are we

of one race. Human.

[pampango]

23. Human. But are we many nationalities or one global "nation" of humans? n/t.

[TygrBright]

7. Any bets on when Bris Palin becomes poster child for saving the melanin-deficient via reproduction?

[EFerrari]

8. It just occurred to me that my two boys were counted as

part of the Latino explosion in the 70s because I'm Latina but today they're counted as two white childless guys.

lol

[aquart]

9. Who counted them that way?

[EFerrari]

48. Not literally but in the census, they are white unmarried men.

I bet my brother reports himself in the same way, as do half of my cousins. Which is why this Latino reconquest is an iffy proposition -- we keep going over to the other side. lol :)

[chollybocker]

10. Every "white" American should have their DNA mapped.

"White" Americans might be partly white, part black, part red, part yellow, part brown, or any imaginable combination therein...

Division by race is a concept that (should have) died with the advent of biological science in the 19th and 20th centuries.

The descendents of Thomas Jefferson, for instance, are merely the tip of the iceberg. There are very few "pure white" Americans to speak of.

[AllTooEasy]

11. 2023 - "Seriously, where the White Women at?"

I've seen a remarkable change in Black/White relations during my 40 yrs. I recall being called "Nigger" more times in grade eschool than my own name. I never had any White friends until age 25. Now I have several, although most are Black. I've even been a groomsmen in a White couple's wedding. When I pass away, I'm sure one of my pall bearers will be White. Dang, just as things are somewhat getting better (not totally), White folks are dissappearing on us!

I wonder if more interracial couples is doing the trick. Mixed kids should be allowed to check off both/all races that apply.

[eilen]

18. Hmm, my brother is in a "blended" relationship

that if posited 20 years ago, I would have never believed would happen-- People do evolve. I remember people would have referred to it as a "mixed race" relationship which sounds horribly old fashioned now.

However, lots of progress is d/t the younger generation-- they are more open and accepting of each other than the middle aged -- who are a great improvement on the over 65's.

I think much is d/t economics. When I was younger, we had little diversity in our school and suburban neighborhoods. Even at the Catholic hospital I work at-- they seem to mostly hire their nursing staff from their graduate class (private nursing school) so it is predominately white-- little Hispanic and Black in the student body. I would say there is less than 10% diversity in that employment category although there has been a marked increase in the number of men. Even the patient population seems to be weighted heavily white (prob 75-80%) in an area of the city that is diverse.

At the state hospital about half a mile away it is much more diverse. Plus we have many students and residents from overseas so it is part of the work culture and is very interesting.

[dipsydoodle]

12. Cut me and I bleed.

:shrug:

[Skip Intro]

14. +1

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[dipsydoodle]

15. People have different motivations for reccing / unreccing

Some rec because they consider the subject merits attention.

[Darth_Kitten]

26. Sure it does.

:sarcasm:

[neoralme]

28. I thought that's what reccing/unreccing is for. Isn't this suppose

to be a discussion board?

[nomorenomore08]

16. I think the idea is more that if no one racial group is dominant in numbers, then they won't be able

to dominate other groups politically or economically. And how is greater equality a bad thing? :shrug:

[wiggle-room]

17. I guess it's all about race in your view, then.

I just don't see how anyone can at the same time decry racism yet make determinations based on race.

Greater equality? If the day comes when there is an Hispanic majority in the US, would whites and blacks be lacking equality, simply because they are not members of the racial majority?

[nomorenomore08]

33. You disagree that the issue of race is a pervasive, and troubling, one?

So many aspects of our social order are entangled with racism, both past and present, subtle and overt, that anyone who claims race doesn't matter is either oblivious or disingenuous. And to state that race *shouldn't* matter, while it may be a nice thought, does nothing to actually remedy the situation.

"I just don't see how anyone can at the same time decry racism yet make determinations based on race." What exactly is "racist" about acknowledging that, as far as one's status in society is concerned, race (among many other factors) does make a significant difference?

"Greater equality? If the day comes when there is an Hispanic majority in the US, would whites and blacks be lacking equality, simply because they are not members of the racial majority?" Although being "the majority" does not automatically confer political or economic power - see black South Africans under apartheid for a dramatic counter-example - the majority status of white Americans has always co-existed hand in hand with their dominant social position. As the former (majority status) inevitably erodes over the coming decades, it's not unreasonable to suspect that the latter (dominant social position) will be weakened as well.

And frankly, when I come across the phrase "anti-white," more often than not it seems to reflect an exaggerated persecution complex. After all, when have white Americans ever been discriminated against (or worse) on a mass level?

[neoralme]

29. It's not a bad thing. But going the other direction would not be

a good thing either.

[Chef Eric]

19. Too deep, no. Too shallow, maybe. nt

[wiggle-room]

21. yeah, that's deep

[sofa king]

22. What is racism?

If virtually every "white" person in America now descends in part from Africans and Native Americans, and they do, then what separates them from anyone else besides money, power, and phenotype?

And if that's the case, then why drag a creaky old concept based upon an imaginary set of genetic traits into it when money, power, and phenotype more accurately defines the advantages they have and use?

[A Physicist]

32. Info please

"If virtually every 'white' person in America now descends in part from Africans and Native Americans..."

Where do you get that information?

[Cirque du So-What]

25. It pays not to over-think some things

especially when you start operating from a faulty paradigm. I recced this OP because it's of cultural and socioeconomic significance. I consider it worthy of discussion and do not pass judgment on the conclusions reached in the study. If you insist upon making this something more than it is not, then please state your intentions up-front & we can take this to the mods/admins and nip any further shit-stirring in the bud.

[Name removed]

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[JCMach1]

27. Sometimes the children of whites are just brown...

Just saying... this article narrowly focuses on race in a disgusting way.

[Jefferson23]

30. Uh oh, Stormfront should be alerted...the population there may not read the NYT. n/t

[OwnedByFerrets]

31. Too bad the headline isnt "Numbers of Children Falling Fast"

The last thing the entire planet needs is more humans.

[bossy22]

46. are you under the age of 40?

do you want your social security check when you retire? Well if you answer yes to both then i suggest you advocate for a stable population growth in this country.

[No Elephants]

50. More babies is the only way to save OASDI?

[Gormy Cuss]

66. Well, we wouldn't want to manage population growth through immigration, now would we?

After all, that might make the racial/ethnic mix change even more rapidly.
:eyes:

[OwnedByFerrets]

51. I'm 54 and the world doesnt need more humans......

regardless of whether SS suffers. If we dont stop overpopulating it, there wont be anything left....period.

[pitohui]

69. stable population growth? no such thing

i suggest you get a deeper understanding of science and math

the argument to keep breeding because we need an ever-increasing pyramid of young people at the bottom to support the aging population is just plain ignorant

it ignores the reality that we have ever growing tech and robots (my husband helps design entire robot based factories) and that ALREADY there are not enough good jobs for good people to do -- breeding more people only breeds more bitterness, because already there isn't enough for most people to have a meaningful life and that's pretty high on the hierarchy of needs, eventually there won't be enough for everyone to have a car or gasoline in it, and then there will be people starving (in some countries, this is already the case part of the time, and those places tend to have quite high breeding rates!)

breeding does not secure your social security, because breeding excess people with the intelligence and energy to do something important and no chance of ever having a real job, leads to violence and war -- and a "small" war like the drug war we're seeing in northern mexico or the drug war i saw in my neighborhood, is just as destructive to peace for those people trapped in the middle as big honking wars like ww2 or vietnam

a falling population is a peaceful population -- a growing population will have its strivers and its people who want to succeed, and since there is not enough "places" for everyone after the rich have put their legacies at the top...a growing population means anger, bitterness, war

there is no such thing as "stable" population growth on a finite planet, if you want infinite war, keep breeding! keep breeding! and make it a race! we must out-breed those guys who are a slightly different color or who have a funny accent! do i really have to put a sarcasm tag here? maybe i do, because a large percentage of the people breeding are either ignorant or stupid -- for sure, most of them can't do basic arithmatic

the headline should have read, "birth rate of people educated in math falling fast" because people who can plan and can do math can see that there aren't jobs, there aren't opportunities, there aren't dollars enough to both be able to retire and to educate a child, not on middle class incomes, not any more

people deprived of education are very often the ones having the kids

it is all very sad, don't pretend that these people's misery is putting one dime of social security in your pockets

your social is based on your own earnings, not on anyone else's

[A Physicist]

35. Your Free Republic Assignment

Monitor FR to see when this article is posted and collect the apocryphal responses.

[nomorenomore08]

40. I'm sure some on DU will object to the article by protesting that "Not everything is about race!"

And while technically this may be true... on the other hand, for a white-nationalist reactionary, i.e. your prototypical Freeper, everything *is* about race.

[No Elephants]

53. Eighth Amendment. No one has to monitor FR.

[freshwest]

59. Just give me that big fat F right now, LOL..

Can't stomach free pukers...

:puke:

[neoralme]

36. That's one of the reason for the problems now. The Republican

Party by and large views non-whites as less than equal. However, it knows whites are progressively having fewer children. So they are frantically thinking they have to cement their and their offsprings position before they are gone. They are in a panic. I believe most of us that follow birthrates among those of different races and cultures knew this would eventually happen. How could it not happen? In many cultures, though ostensibly not whites, having a lot of children is a sign of strength and virility. Things will be very different in the future, for sure. Now, I am of the opinion that we as a culture are near journey's end, but even if we are not, I can see where whites may not have the same perceived exceptionalism they once had. I wonder how Norway and Finland have figured all this out.

[sybylla]

37. Maybe now the old white bastards will restore Planned Parenthood funding.

I'm sure this is scaring the shit out of them.

[A Physicist]

38. Too late for my kids

They are already barely white at half-Filipino and one-forth Greek; well, at least they can dance.

“The cultural boundaries separating white Americans from other racial or ethnic categories are contested and always changing. According to John Tehranian, among those not considered white at some points in American history have been: the Irish, Germans, Jews, Italians, Spaniards, Hispanics, Slavs, and Greeks. Studies have found that while current parameters officially encompassed Arabs as part of the White American racial category, many Arab Americans from places other than the Levant feel they are not white and are not perceived as white by American society."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people

[nalnn]

39. Going by the headline...

Maybe they need better shoes...or crutches?

[No Elephants]

52. Good one!

[Thor_MN]

41. Damn, we need cloned Neadertals soon to give the Right someone to oppress

[closeupready]

43. Who cares.

nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. I'm sure this is what's behind their push for anti-choice.

Once all the babies come in, they can sort out who rises and who falls.

[freshwest]

60. It always has been, since the days of Pat Buchanan and then some...

Wonder who will be screaming to protect the rights of minorities, after all these years of fighting equality for all?

But Democrats always knew what MLK said was right for everyone.

[The Backlash Cometh]

63. Well said. To some degree, I think this division we see right now

is because those who side with Republicans want to keep their culture of privilege. It's true that their way of life is in jeopardy. The fact that they will have to learn how to brush off their resumes and compete with everyone else terrifies them.

[freshwest]

64. Yes, the flagrant cronyism and nepotism they are displaying are signs they can't compete on merit.

They are right to be scared. Big, big world out there.

[slackmaster]

45. I've done my part

No kids for me.

[totodeinhere]

47. Considering the sad state of the world right now, I wouldn't want to bring any child into this world...

regardless of the child's race.

[nomorenomore08]

58. +1

nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

54. Did choco rations go up or down?

:shrug:

[plumbob]

55. Citizen, you are not questioning something, are you?

We'll let you know about the choco ration in due time. Until then...

:evilgrin:

[freshwest]

61. Is that a Stargate reference?

[No Elephants]

56. Shrug?

[struggle4progress]

62. This seems like a good place to announce my "Hybrid Vigor Project" aka "Make the US look more like

Brazil"

The scientific idea is simple: we want more genetic variety in our population

So if you're still looking for that special "Significant Other," be sure to consider people whose ancestry is waaay different from yours: if your forefathers evolved in frozen lands, look for somebody whose foremothers evolved on tropical shores; if your people came from the West, look for somebody whose people came from the Far East.

If you come from six foot Danes, marry a pigmy! If your family is from India, fall in love with someone whose family spoke Quechua or who roamed the Ozzie Outback! If Dad was from Swaziland, be sure to consider someone whose Mom was from Beijing!

America will be a much better country if we spend the next few generations doing some serious interbreeding!

So mix and match! Do it for the children! It's fun!

[MellowDem]

72. This is false....

You cannot determine genetic variety from looks or geography or ancestry alone. It is quite possible you have more in common genetically with somoene who looks completely different from you in terms of skin color etc. than someone who looks quite similar to you.

Supposedly, if the smell of sweat of someone else turns you on, this is a sign that they are a good match as they are more genetically different than you (in terms of strict evolutionary purposes)

But finding someone you'll fall in love with and want to spend the rest of your life with is hard enough without having to also take into account genetic variance.

[struggle4progress]

73. If I must deal with morons whining about the demise of an entirely fictitious white race,

I think I shall nevertheless set out to aggravate them by speaking in glowing terms about the beauty and intelligence of children whose hues and features suggest a worldwide ancestry

Of course, you are right that genetic variety is not necessarily visible, and I think you are right that considerations of love should trump many other considerations. But the white birthrate discussed by the OP link is not a scientific topic either, nor is that much concerned with love

[fascisthunter]

65. what a weird thing to be upset over... I guess color does matter

idiots

[ProudDad]

67. Thus the racists, voter suppression backlash here in Arizona

The current right-wing (Mormon/Neo-Nazi) Legislature and gOven-er here is scared shitless of the brown menace...

[Igel]

76. Not much of a concern.

More of a concern is the SES of those having kids. Race in America is often a proxy for SES.