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Thu Apr-07-11 07:32 PM
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These 7,000 votes were found on the clerk's "personal" computer? |
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This is outright fraud. She is now stating she is so glad this "error was caught early."
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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aren't there scan ballots that can be counted?? |
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surely the only evidence isn't on her PC.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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Yes. There must be. Where are they? |
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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3. ALL recounts are hand counted here. All votes on paper. |
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So, yes. And there will be a recount.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:45 PM
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8. The candidate has to specify a hand recount |
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 PM
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9. Are you sure they are all paper ballots? Heard a report on Chicago's CPT |
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that Brookfield ran out and switched to a DRE machine.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:56 PM
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13. They used the DRE machines for the disabled which produce paper. |
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Thu Apr-07-11 09:10 PM
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22. so there were no actual ballots? just a roll of tape from some machine? |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:09 PM
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28. Yeah. It isn't a reliable ballot. I can't imagine their were very many disabled votes |
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Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:10 PM by Ellipsis
Easy enough to figure that out.
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Fri Apr-08-11 09:16 AM
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36. I have not heard Brookfield ran out of ballots. |
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Delafield did, Eau Claire did, Beaver Dam did, but show me where and when Brookfield did.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:34 PM
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1. The whole thing reeks. |
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I can smell the stench all the way down here in South Carolina.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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7. I can smell it from California! |
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Anyone in Hawaii smell that?
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Fri Apr-08-11 09:08 AM
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35. Darling, I'm in Europe |
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And right here, the stench is still unabated!
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Fri Apr-08-11 03:01 PM
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The Astronauts on the Space station can smell it.. (Is that still up there?)
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Thu Apr-07-11 09:50 PM
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:35 PM
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2. That is totally inaccurate |
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The claim is that the City of Brookfield's #'s were not in the #'s given to media (mistakenlyomitted from the Access database on her PC). Unofficial #'s. During certification, they caught it yesterday and contacted GAB. Since then, they've been counting and verifying - confirming the gain of 14,314 votes.
My Democratic CD chair spoke to the Democratic rep who was overseeing.
Should it have happened? no Is the clerk an incompetent asshole? yes Fraud? Doesn't look that way I will await a recount and know that my Democratic reps have my back.
This is Wisconsin, we will fight this. If you don't believe that then you've been covering your eyes and ears for 8 weeks.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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5. As long as you're sure it's Brookfield and not Brigadoon. |
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:50 PM
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10. So it would seem - however (call me paranoid) |
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if these votes were deliberately withheld until the last minute, their sudden appearance would (and did) draw all eyes to them. Like a magician fluttering one hand in the air, while the other pulls off the trick. What counties are we NOT looking at while obsessing over this one?
Yeah, I'm paranoid - and I think experience gives me a right to be.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:54 PM
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12. GAB and the Democrats will look into this. |
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Our state Dems are amazing, you all have gotten a taste of that recently. If there has been fraud, we'll find it. If there has been misconduct, we'll expose it.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:11 PM
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15. You seem to be the only Democrat in WI who is not calling for as much outside legal and audit help |
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Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM by brentspeak
as humanly possible on this. All the WI Democrats I'm talking to this evening want as much outside Democratic party/progressive legal firepower as possible to come on over to WI and help investigate and vet the Waukesha situation.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:13 PM
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16. If you are accusing me of trolling or doubting my commitment as a Dem or my state or this race |
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Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:14 PM by PeaceNikki
check my fucking post history here, ffs.
I have a horse in this race and I KNOW some of the Dems involved in this. This is *MY* community, *MY* fight, *MY* neighbors and I give a shit. GAB and the Democrats will look into this. Our state Dems are amazing, you all have gotten a taste of that recently. If there has been fraud, we'll find it. If there has been misconduct, we'll expose it.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:22 PM
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19. One thing that can be said for certain |
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:27 PM
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20. Yes, when there are 37 thread on the same topic, I do that. So fucking sue me. |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:16 PM
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31. Skittles needs to kick his ass. |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:05 PM
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Went through the same thing here last year, but few noticed the really tight Congressional race and the recount for some reason. (And thank the gods for that!) Most who did, though, were from out of town and had plenty of good advice.
Well, they thought it was good advice while we had out team in there almost 24 hours a day making sure everything was legit. It was, and we ended up winning, but the tinfoil crew saw evil conspiracies under every bed and made no allowance for the kind of screwups that can happen just because shit happens. In our case, there were a lot of new people unfamiliar with how things should work in an election (it's not like a lot of people do this for a living) and made simple mistakes that were uncovered and dealt with.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:15 PM
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I can't imagine the NY County Clerk putting votes on his personal computer. This doesn't pass the smell test. I suspect you'll be fighting soon.
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Thu Apr-07-11 09:49 PM
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24. I love your spirit! Go Wisconsin! |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:13 PM
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29. What is 'GAB'? I'm a Wisconsin ex-pat from 20 years back, but |
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don't recognize the acronym.
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:15 PM
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30. Government Accountability Board |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:24 PM
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32. Thanks. If I understand your general drift in various of the threads, |
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Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 11:24 PM by coalition_unwilling
you don't believe that the 7,000-odd votes were fraudulently manufactured or obtained. They simply were not included in the initial counts provided to the media.
If Nickolaus really was (or is) a computer programmer, then her statement about a file not being 'saved' in MS Access is highly suspicious and deserves some serious scrutiny, because it suggests she may be lying about other equally important matters. I want to see her sweated in front of a federal grand jury. Sounds like you have a more bslanced take than my admittedly partisan one.
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:29 PM
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33. A) It was 14k, not 7k. |
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Thu Apr-07-11 11:39 PM
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34. You're absolutely right about the 14K. Apologize for the |
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verbal slip -- after you read 7K so many times, you sort of start to internalize it :)
Thanks again for the links and the clarifications. Out here in safely blue west side of Los Angeles, I've forgotten what contested territory feels and looks like.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:36 PM
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4. Time for the good guys to find the 10,000 votes on their computer |
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:37 PM
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was on her computer. There should be a paper trail to back up the increase. My concern is her access to the ballots coupled with the Access DB on her personal computer could lead to a fraudulent situation. (Not known that she has ballot acces, pure conjecture on my part)
That being said, it smells a lot, and needs to be investigated.
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:57 PM
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Thu Apr-07-11 07:52 PM
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11. I thought that the FBI investigated election fraud even in states. |
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Edited on Thu Apr-07-11 08:02 PM by BrightKnight
They have resources and expertise that States do not. They protect aginst cyber attacks and high technology crimes. The FBI specifically against election fraud.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:17 PM
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BULL BUTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That is all.
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Thu Apr-07-11 08:42 PM
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21. Time to see what the Democrats are really made of. nm |
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Thu Apr-07-11 09:16 PM
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23. Put a crook in jail and she looks perfectly normal. |
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Sure looks crooked from here though
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Thu Apr-07-11 10:19 PM
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26. The chain of custody has been broken, I don't think it will |
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