Incompetence or fraud, obviously there must be a WI-wide recount & full investigation of Waukesha.

[JackRiddler]

Tough for the lady if it was a fuck-up. Too bad about the appearances. They're enough to merit a full investigation of her and her county, and given the obviously dirty ways of the politics in play, a WI recount.

What's wrong with that as a consensus?

[PeaceNikki]

1. Yes, they are underway. Kloppenburg has Franken's attorney.

And the GAB is on it. The director on WPR yesterday sounded pissed and said he'd demand an investigation. And he's not afraid of calling shenanigans.

[emcguffie]

5. Sorry, what is GAB? What is WPR?

Why do so many people assume that everyone who might be interested in something will know all the acronyms?

I am interested and really do want to know.

[PeaceNikki]

9. GAB is the Government Accountability Board

http://gab.wi.gov/about

They are not afraid of calling shenanigans: http://uppitywis.org/wi-elect-board-hits-doj-gop-voter-suppression-effort

WPR = Wisconsin Public Radio.

[dkf]

2. She is obviously not capable of handling that position.

Even a Republican can see that undercounting thousands of votes is no good for them.

[azul]

3. What is wrong with this country

that it still accepts a unsecure and fraudulent voting system?

Ignorance, apathy, the media, what?

HAVA helped America pretend to vote: let private corporations do the counting in secret.

[emcguffie]

7. I for one have not accepted it.

But there seems to be a very organized, probably well-funded effort to shut anyone down who is very suspicious.

I for one like TIA's work, but there is always someone here who goes after him whenever he posts anything, or if someone posts for him. It's always amazed me how much reaction there is to him.

I think TIA is correct when he says they are reliably stealing a few percentage points in almost every election, and that sometimes it is enough to win it for them and sometimes it isn't. I actually had that opinion myself before I read it on TIA's blog. I can't quite follow everything he says, as I am not an elections expert, but I do agree with his conclusions.

Someone posted elsewhere on DU, yesterday I think, about how they thought that was what had happened in this case; they were stealing a few percentage points and it turned out not to be quite enough, so they had to win by enough that the automatic recount didn't kick in. Thus, several thousand ballots found overnight.

Why do I believe this? To me it is common sense and basic respect for my human neighbors, who I choose to believe are not "so stupid" that they never learn and will keep voting for the same guys who are destroying their way of live, making them poorer or making them poor, and taking their jobs, their homes and their pensions.

But then the same thieves own the major media and they refuse to mention any of this, or will just barely mention it, so we keep scratching our heads and wondering why so many of us keep voting for them. Maybe,just maybe, not so many of us do keep voting for them. But when our news media, which we have become accustomed to listening to for feedback, doesn't give us any feedback about stolen elections, we get the idea that not so many people out there are thinking what we're thinking. But they could be, and if our system is deliberately not telling us that, then maybe that is an indication that there are more people thinking that than we might guess. Sorry if that's too convoluted. I am definitely having trouble expressing myself. Very sorry. But as far as I know, there isn't any really reliable way of verifying election results now that so many of our elections involve computers and electronic machines.

At the same time, I think there has been significant election fraud going on this country for decades, well before we switched over. I think there was a book, perhaps by brothers... I cannot remember. I can't find anything about it now. But it was about election fraud, I believe in the 1990s and maybe the 1980s, the point being that it was fairly widespread and most of us were completely unaware of it. Sorry I can't find any trace of it. Maybe the book Black Box Voting refers to it.

Apart from that, this is just my opinion.

[rhett o rick]

4. Isnt there a possible federal offense here? Should the FBI be involved? nm

[femrap]

6. That's what I said.....

then I remembered 2004 in Ohio....no one did a damn thing.

But hopefully WI will be different. I was so happy about Kloppenburger's election and now this.....I can't take it....

[rhett o rick]

11. Time to roll out the guillotines. nm

[femrap]

13. And I like pitchforks

along with torches as well.

[truckin]

8. Agree 100% nt

[JackRiddler]

10. another thing: even assuming a cock-up...

given how bad this cock-up was, it shows thoroughgoing incompetence. It's likely that other mistakes were made.

[Greybnk48]

12. Winnebago county too, while we're at it.

There was one more that was weird as well.