Is there any way to prove what happened in Wisconsin

[TaylorWatts]

wasn't convenient ballot box stuffing?

With 29 hours to clean up after the fact, it sure seems like the fake ballots could have been put in (or erased) depending how the election was going for Prosser.

Just make it look like one city in the county wasn't counted, then reconcile any balance with the fake ballots by taking away or adding a few from another city by claiming "clerical error" - which is what happened in New Berlin (also in Waukesha county).

[AleksS]

1. The bigger trouble is

The bigger trouble is that there might not be a way to prove that it IS ballot tampering.

I mean this lady (former Prosser staffer, GOP activist, GOP database administrator, who's been caught illegally using public materials for partisan campaigning before) had the info on a secret personal computer, off the internet, and in her hands for 2 days after the election. It might be fait accompli.

Yeah, everyone might know there were shenanigans--it's not like the GOP's being particularly subtle--but knowing and proving are different things. And without some serious proof, and some way of remedying the situation, what can be done?

And hell, even if it's proven to a degree that is pretty obvious, the courts might just decide that it doesn't warrant overturning the election results--I mean she just has to appeal the case to the Supreme Court. Now that the new looser "no-need-to-recuse-for-conflicts-of-interest" rules are in place, you can guess how that ruling would go. After which, she'll enjoy a 6-figure Koch or Walker job appointment. PLUS how many republicans do you know that would feel anything but elated to know they successfully cheated and won? They'd be throwing parties in the street with "Cheat to Win!" banners flying high.

Gah. I need someone to talk me up about this. Help!

[Old and In the Way]

2. May not be a legal process per se, but here's something I posted on another thread.

Maybe it will get more action here.

If there's any question about the Wisconsin results, why not conduct an independent audit?


The Waukesha votes seem way too red when you take a cursory look at the other counties...most seem to ranger between 60/40 and 40/60 split. Dane is huge blue, but that's easily explainable. What's the "no-brainer reason for Waukesha being deep red? I'd conduct a poll of all registered voters. Ask them-

(1) Did you vote?
(2) What is your Party ID?
(3) Who did you vote for?
(4) Why did you vote for your candidate (probably a multiple choice type question).

Those that refuse to answer, assume Republican/DNV. Those that answer Democrat....ask them if they'd sign an affidavit to that effect. I see no reason why a Democrat wouldn't be happy to participate in validating the election results. I see no reason why a Republican would want to provide false information if that's going to make a stronger case for election theft. And wouldn't it be interesting if a significant % of registered Republicans signed an affidavit attesting to the fact they they voted for a Democrat? The easiest votes to steal are the votes of the people who may not be voting for their Party's candidate.

The benefits would be:

(1) It would show the DNC is really interested in protecting our franchise's right to have their vote counted.
(2) It would validate the results, in which case we can at least feel better that the system is working and that we obviously still have work to do on messaging. Or
(3) it will contradict and invalidate the results. Not legally of course, but morally. Maybe shame the guy to resign his office. And that would further underscore the image of a corrupt and unethical Party that is criminally hijacking our democracy. Might help build the case for real election reform and a possible criminal investigation. Certainly wouldn't help Republicans recruit new voters for future elections, I'd think.



PS On edit. Can you imagine how freaked out Republicans would be? How would they spin their outrage? No problem...hell, I'd offer to share the results with them.

[TaylorWatts]

4. I live in Waukesha County (but not Brookfield) it is pretty much blood red.

[Tx4obama]

3. That is not what happened. See the OP on the link below

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x841430

[TaylorWatts]

5. That doesn't address my question AT ALL.

[Tx4obama]

6. Yes it does answer your question.

If you read the OP on the link it says that the City of Brookfield posted their vote totals on Tuesday night on their website.
There is even a link in the comments area with a link to their website that has the election results.
Also, the local Wisconsin paper published the City of Brookfield results shortly after they were counted.

So, no there was not 24hours to do any ballot stuffing.

The City of Brooksfield vote totals have not changed since Tuesday night when they were counted.

It was only a clerical ommission error at the 'county' level, not the city level where the actual ballots are.

[TaylorWatts]

7. I said ballot stuff OTHER cities in Waukesha county, then

pretend Brookfield didn't get posted.

If Prosser wins handily, make the stuffed ballots disappear.

[Tx4obama]

8. That doesn't make any sense.

All the precincts reported their vote total on Tuesday night.

Once the numbers are reported you don't just make them disappear.

The only total that didn't get added into the grand total was the city of Brookfield.
And those votes were for Prosser, so there was no logical reason for a REPUBLICAN clerk to not add them into the total.
It was a clerical mistake, nothing more.

[Bjorn Against]

10. Can you provide us a link to all the precincts in the county as posted on election night?

Brookfield posted their results online, but my understanding is that most of the county's precincts did not. I want to see vote totals from all precincts as they were posted on election night and I want to see the paper ballots to back up those vote totals, so far no one has provided that.

[murielm99]

15. It is interesting how you show up in every thread

about this "mistake" and defend the repukes vociferously. Who the fuck are you?

[Tx4obama]

19. I am not defending the republicans, I am just stating what happened.

I am a liberal Texas Democrat.
And no it is not interesting that I am showing up on threads regarding this issue.
I stayed up all night watching the results come in and I have been following the events closely.
Who the fuck are YOU?

[Bjorn Against]

9. And how do you know Brookfield's votes were not distributed to other parts of the county?

The county clerk did write software specifically made to figure out how Republicans voted in each ward, she would know very well how to take the votes from one city and distribute them across the county in a way that would be difficult to detect without a hand recount.

[Tx4obama]

11. Because

The numbers that she collected were SENT TO HER from the precincts.
She can't just make up the numbers, the county clerk numbers have to match the numbers of ballots/votes that are recorded at the local level. There are paper ballots at the local level, she does not have access to those.

Seems like everyone the past few days is turning into a conspiracy theorist!

[Bjorn Against]

13. Actually you are wrong, she has the paper ballots in her possession

"The ballots remain in the custody of Nickolaus in bags that were closed with numbered seals by poll workers on election night, Kennedy said."

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119486574.html

You can tell me that the precincts provided her the numbers, but no one has yet provided the numbers that were provided to her by each precinct on election night.

By the way ordinary citizens go to jail for conspiracy all the time, it is only when we suggest the powerful may have committed crimes that we are accused of being "conspiracy theorists". In my view it is those who suggest the powerful never conspire to commit illegal acts that are delusional.

[Tx4obama]

20. She did not have access to them before they were counted, totaled, and sealed.

And she still does not have 'access' to them - the bags are sealed.

[TaylorWatts]

14. You obviously live in TX and not WI and don't realize how criminal Walker and

the republican state legislature are!

[Tx4obama]

17. You obviously know nothing about what I do and do not know.

You know how they old saying goes regarding 'assuming'.

[uberblonde]

12. Why did she hide the info for 29 hours...

While sharing it with the National Review and other right-wing bloggers?

[Bluebear]

16. :crickets:

[Tx4obama]

18. She did not hide it, she told the GAB just like she was required to do. n/t