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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:27 PM
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Rich, and even Middle Class women, will always get abortions
They will have connections and enough money to get them. I say this as a 62 year old middle class woman. It is the POOR women who will suffer. In my parents generation, the middle class paid their OB/GYN to say they needed a therapeutic abortion. This is what my Aunt (middle class, middle aged, married, woman of 2 grown children did). Among my contemporaries, they went on "vacations" to other countries, or just other states. I lived in NY which legalized abortion before Roe. NJ women came to NY to get their abortions. At Planned Parenthood? Where they around in 1970?

CONTROL. This is all about CONTROLLING women. Plus again, creating more SLAVE LABOR.

Democrats need to get a BACKBONE. Hell, we have a supposedly Democratic PRESIDENT. Why is this happening at all?

I have daughters and I will FIGHT for THEIR RIGHTS, as I did for MINE. Yes, idiots, if that means ABORTING my own GRANDKIDS, if the situation warrants it.

Make all the babies YOU WANT. Leave the CHOICE to the rest of us.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:47 PM
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1. We have a Democratic President, not a dictator.
And it's happening because the Republican House is attempting to hold the Federal Government hostage to its demands.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:49 PM
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2. and that is how wealthy repuke women can support the bullshit
the others are convinced with bibles
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:49 PM
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3. Anti-abortion is pro-prostitution.
Aging white men drive desperate young girls from their families, friends, homes, education, support, to places where they can be preyed upon. It used to be called the Minnesota Strip, that row of cornfed blonde prostitutes who had to leave home because they got knocked up and had nowhere to go for help.

The only morality of anti-abortion legislation is to provide young flesh for rich old men.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:51 PM
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4. Is anyone talking about the cost of the government assistence that will be given
to the poor (for their children until they turn 18) that can't get the birth control or abortions they want. How much will that cost compared to not funding planned parenthood. We know it's a moral issue to them, but they are claiming to be a fiscal one.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:30 PM
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9. Trust me, the Repugs intend to take care of that little loophole.
That government assistance will disappear in a heartbeat if they ever gain control of both chambers.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:52 PM
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5. K&R
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 06:52 PM
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6. Very true. Women here in California got them before they were legal.
I've heard many tales from women of my mom's generation.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 07:13 PM
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7. Women can just go back to the old-fashioned ways...
Plan A:



Plan B:

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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:11 PM
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8. But some can survive Plan A:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:41 PM
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12. Plan C:
A long, rough, fast horseback ride that requires a lot of fence jumping. At least, I believe that's what a lot of women did a hundred years ago.

I suspect there were some women who knew what herbs to use to make a tea to cause a miscarriage.

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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 10:24 PM
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15. There were pretty much two types of herbal abortifacients.
The first kind aren't dangerous and don't really work.

The ones that work are as dangerous as the stairs and the coathangers. (Nightshade, pennyroyal, ergot, foxglove, monkshood, etc.) They cause abortions because they're just poisonous as hell and it takes less to kill a fetus than it does a grown woman.

So knowing how to mix them was pretty much guessing how much would kill an adult human and using a little less.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:33 PM
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10. Of course the mainstream GOP will never criminalize abortion "vacations"
Edited on Fri Apr-08-11 08:33 PM by Puzzler
... because, as you point out, this will be exactly how THEY will get abortions when THEY need them.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:37 PM
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11. This is what infuriates me. The NUMBER of abortions won't decrease.
But the NUMBER of safe abortions will decrease if they have their way. It's mind-boggling that they don't understand that fun fact.

Create a "culture of life" that actually supports pregnant women, their children and beyond and maybe, just maybe you MIGHT create the change you want in terms of abortion.

But banning it?? No fucking way.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:45 PM
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13. Planned Parenthood funding bill was introduced by Poppa Bush
The seven Republicans who voted in favor of retaining federal funding for Planned Parenthood, in addition to Senators Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, and Olympia Snowe, all hail from this tradition. Beyond their obvious support for pro-choice causes, these individuals are also characterized by a commitment to centrist policies and fiscal largesse — all indicative of their opposition to the principles of traditional, constitutional government. Ever since its earliest days, Planned Parenthood has counted among its supporters prominent members of the Republican Party. As early as 1942, Connecticut Senator Prescott Bush (picture, above), grandfather of President George W. Bush, was a supporter of Margaret Sanger’s American Birth Control League, and in 1947, served as the treasurer for the first national campaign for Planned Parenthood. The political repercussions hit hard. Prescott Bush was knocked out of an expected victory for a Senate seat in Connecticut in 1950 after syndicated columnist Drew Pearson declared that it "has been made known" that Bush was a leader in the "Birth Control Society" (the original name of Planned Parenthood was the Birth Control Federation of America). Prescott Bush won a Senate seat two years later, and his son George and daughter-in-law Barbara continued to support Planned Parenthood even after George's election to Congress from Texas. In fact, he was such an advocate for family planning that some House colleagues nicknamed him "Rubbers."

In addition, Prescott’s son George H.W. also supported family planning efforts while serving as a Texas congressman. President George H.W. Bush was best known for his opposition to Ronald Reagan’s supply-side economics, rooted in the free-market ideas of Hayek and Friedman, deriding the conservative Reagan as a proponent of “voodoo economics.” He wrote a constituent in 1970: “I introduced legislation earlier this year which would provide federal funds for research in family planning devices and increased services to people who need them but cannot afford them. We must help our young people become aware of the fact that families can be planned and that there are benefits economically and socially to be derived from small families.” ("George Bush to Mrs. Jim Hunter, Jr., Oct. 23, 1970" .)

Although stemming from the opposite wing of the GOP, the Goldwater family of Arizona also supported Planned Parenthood. In his final term in the U.S. Senate, Barry Goldwater adopted a pro-choice position, voting in 1983 against a constitutional amendment that would have reversed Roe v. Wade and returned legislative authority over abortion to the states. Back in 1937, his wife Peggy had become a founding member of Planned Parenthood of Arizona, and the couple remained active in the organization throughout Goldwater's Senate career. Though he initially rejected Planned Parenthood's position on abortion, his long association with the group would ultimately make a convert of him, also as he personally approved of his daughter Joanne’s illegal abortion in 1951, as recounted in the HBO documentary Mr. Conservative.

Planned Parenthood Republicans: A Decades-Long History
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6714-planned-parenthood-republicans-a-decades-long-history

BTW- I found this on Free Republic
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-11 08:53 PM
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14. Poor women will go back to unsafe 'back alley' procedures or try to induce one themselves
Ask an older doctor about gas gangrene and other complications of anti-abortion laws

I've never met an anti-abortion doctor.
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