WTF - This is what we gave up?

[Skip_In_Boulder]

I hope I am reading this ThinkProgress Tweet wrong.

thinkprogress ThinkProgress
RT @jaketapper: Part of deal: pledges for Senate votes on rescinding health care law, cutting funding for Planned Parenthood

[gateley]

1. Those won't pass in the Senate. nt

[bluestate10]

14. Right. Bottom line. nt

[doc03]

19. You're sure about that? n/t

[gateley]

23. Of course not - I should have said "I don't think those would pass in the Senate". nt

[SoCalDem]

29. after the '12 elections, dems will probably be a minority in the senate

We might retake some of the lost seats in the house, but the senate is going to be a scary place for a very long time....

Because of all the blue dogs we have who are long time incumbents retiring this year, their possible replacements may not be very viable candidates, and with DWShultz as new DNC head, I'm not all that confident that there will be any progressives even courted as possibles:(

Count on this fact:

Anything that helps the common person is a target for ALL republicans..all the time, forever and ever. they NEVER let up, and until the whole new deal/great society reforms are gone forever, and abortion is once again illegal, they will not rest..

It's practically impossible to address new, dangerous problems because republicans will never accept that somethings they hate have become law. they re-litigate/legislate non-stop, to overturn everything they do not like, so they have absolutely NO interest in ever advancing anything new and good for the country.

[ProSense]

2. That makes no fucking sense.

Senate Rejects Repeal of Health Care Law

They're going to vote again?

[Drale]

3. Neither of those are happening

[butterfly77]

4. What about these...

The full list of policy riders in HR1 includes: (from http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Poli ... ):

Policy Riders in H.R. 1

Sec. 1284 - Prohibits funding for fresh fruits and vegetables in the school lunch program. under section 19 of the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act.

Sec. 4013 - Prohibits funds to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., or any of its affiliates.

Sec. 1112 - Prohibits transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Sec. 2237 - Prohibits HUD funding for rental assistance to the elderly.
Sec. 4006 - Blocks the FCC from implementing Net Neutrality.

Sec. 1802 - Prohibits funding new Job Corp centers.
Sec. 4017 - Strips funding for any provision of the health care reform law.
Sec. 4030 - Prohibits BATF from collecting information on multiple rifle/shotgun sales to the same person.

Sec. 1590 - Prohibits DC from using its own, non-federal funds, for abortion services.
Sec. 4046 - Prohibits finding for a govt-sponsored consumer product complaints database
Sec. 1746 - Prohibits funding for EPA efforts to regulate greenhouse gases

Sec. 4027 - Prohibits funds to carry out medical loss ratio restrictions in the health care reform law. (These provisions require insurers to spend at least a certain percent of their premium revenues on medical care.)

Sec. 4009 - Prohibits funds to pay the salaries and expenses of the following Presidential �czarsŽ: Obama Care Czar, Climate Change Czar, Global Warming Czar, Green Jobs Czar, Car Czar, Guantanamo Bay Closure Czar, Pay Czar and Fairness Doctrine Czar.

[Drale]

9. I can't see Dick Durbin or Reid

agreeing to any of that, they would let the repukes shut it down first.

[truedelphi]

16. If you have been following the Women's Health Rallies on C Span,

You would know that Barbara Boxer says they definitely have a full 41 votes in the Senate to hold off the destruction of Planned Parenthood.

(And I know not everyone has cable that provides C Span, and some people are not retired like me. Don't mean to sound snarky about it.)

That is one rider that just ain't gonna get its legs!

[krispos42]

25. If that's all in the bill, then the bill should fucking die.

And GOD DAMN IT, I wish out side had the fucking stones to be balls-to-the-wall aggressive on liberal policies like they are for dumbass conservative ones!

:grr:

[Unvanguard]

28. It's very doubtful that many of those will be in the final package. n/t

[Doremus]

30. Fairness doctrine czar!

Contrary to the oft-repeated claim that the FD would have positively no effect on RW propaganda spewing forth from the boob tube 24/7, *somebody* in the RW ranks seems to be quite afraid of it.

Very interest revelation!

[WilliamPitt]

5. Symbolic.

They will both lose.

No, I don't really get it, either.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

8. I'm just really hoping that

ThinkProgress is talking out their ass otherwise, if they are talking about actual votes, it's time for revolution.

[DevonRex]

11. It means we won and they backed down.

They blinked. In return they will make lots of annoying speeches and will still lose.

[Skip_In_Boulder]

On about the forth read

I am seeing that it could be interpreted that they will have a vote, like you say symbolic, and that the vote will then fail giving Republicans a talking point. Language can be so ambiguous.

[DevonRex]

6. Just means that their demands were separated from the budget

And that stand alone votes will be held and they will fail.

[bluestate10]

7. Both votes which democrats in the Senate will win.

Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins can't afford to vote with republicans. Even if Nebraska's Ben Nelson abandon democrats, democrats will the vote on both items.

[Doctor_J]

10. HOw can anyone be shocked at Dems giving shit away?

I think they know that after next November they'll be nothing but a footnote in history, so they are, as individuals, trying to grease the way to good lobbying jobs

[DevonRex]

12. They did not give anything away. Good grief.

[Doctor_J]

21. Really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4806950

[elleng]

13. 'Scheduling a vote' is a way to take stuff off immediate table,

and make a deal today.

[Hamlette]

15. it is ENTIRELY symbolic. The GOP is polising that turd to make them look better to tea party

the social conservatives think that making the dems vote in FAVOR of funding planned parenthood will make them vulnerable in 2012

the GOP can go to the raving madness that is the tea party and say "we got them to vote on it, now we can beat them"

btw, the tea party just this minute announced they will primary their speaker.

[Arkana]

17. They agreed to hold votes on the floor, not to pass the bills.

The votes will fail, and the Republicans know this. They want to use the votes as footballs for 2012.

[dana_b]

18. From Twitter (Ezra Kelin):

"thinkprogress ThinkProgress
by MMFlint
RT @ezraklein: The resolution includes rider prohibiting dc from using own $ to help women access abortions. So pp escaped, but dc didn't."

:(

[madinmaryland]

20. Stop following the twitter shit, and take a few minutes to wait until the real

news comes out with all of the details.

[RZM]

22. Both votes will go the Dems way . . . BUT

It will force some Democrats on the record (again) and will create fodder for campaign commercials in next year's senate races. Imaging is the only reason I can see for demanding unnecessary votes where the outcome is not in doubt.

[karynnj]

26. They ignore that they put some Republicans on record too

Scott Brown is genuinely on both sides - telling the MSM media one thing and the RW another. I doubt he wants that vote. Collins, Snowe and possibly a few other Republican women might have troubles as well.

[Logical]

24. I think only in DC for planned parenthood. n-t

[Unvanguard]

27. Totally symbolic since both will fail. n/t

[sufrommich]

31. A symbolic face saving agreement for the GOP. Means nothing. nt