Just curious. What did the republicans give up?

[Safetykitten]

[sfwriter]

1. Their humanity?

They gave up on shutting down government, ending the EPA and Planned Parenthood.

[Safetykitten]

2. Anyone? Bueller? Anything?

[kenny blankenship]

3. Stuff they didn't actually have and never had

But symbolically "gave up".

[d_b]

5. ^ this

they gave up nothing.

[rufus dog]

4. the douchebag clinton croonie on CNN (begalia) claimed

they gave up all the riders, although I know of reports that there was the DC abortion rider.

[Liquorice]

29. I've always liked Begala He's not a douchebag. As far as

I remember, Begala said republicans gave up 49 out of 50 riders. Of course the one they wouldn't give up was about PP. They were basically willing to shut down the government over funding of Planned Parenthood.

On edit: From what I'm reading republicans apparently gave up the PP rider too.

[Hippo_Tron]

6. They wanted $61 billion in spending cuts and got $38.5

And they gave up cutting Planned Parenthood, even though that was just put in there for leverage in the first place.

[silverweb]

10. Thank you.

Yours is the only straight-forward, factual answer offered so far. I appreciate it.

[Hippo_Tron]

14. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the end result

However, I think it's ridiculous that people are all of a sudden whining about how the Dems caved. The Dems proposed $10 billion, the GOP proposed $61 billion and the end result was $38.5, which is roughly half way with a slight edge going to the GOP. The GOP also had to back down from their Planned Parenthood bluff.

IMO the Dems caved when they proposed spending cuts in the first place. We should be increasing spending until we are out of recession and people have jobs. As far as these negotiations go, the Dems did an adequate job. It's just their starting position that blows.

[northernlights]

34. the bad starting position makes it an inadequate job, imho

negotiations start at the starting position. If you start out in the wrong position, you have no chance of ending up in an adequate position.

[Horse with no Name]

13. They will come back for PP. Make no mistake.

Public outcry was against them this time. They were able to garner enough to satisfy the blood lust of the tea partiers. But seriously?
We gave them more than anyone has ever given in the history of this country.
What is left? Whose ox will be gored next?
This is guerrilla warfare. This is temporary.
They will keep coming for PP as sure as we are all sitting here.
And, when there is nothing left to give...PP will go too.
This is NOT a win. By any means.

[Hannah Bell]

16. No, the teabag faction wanted $60B. The original republican proposal was $30B.

This is some strange "compromise" that gives you more than what you ask for.

[Hippo_Tron]

23. The teabagger demand for $61 billion was a bait and switch by Boehner

Boehner wants us all to believe that he's a powerless pawn of the crazy teabaggers so that he can pull shit like that. The $61 billion was his demand, even if he had to move the goalposts to make that demand.

The Democrats didn't really cave on anything tonight, IMO, they caved a few days ago when they offered to meet Boehner's original offer of $30 billion. At that point, it legitimized the amount Boehner initially demanded and the rest was haggling over a few billion more to take Planned Parenthood out of there.

If the Democrats had been willing to draw a line in the sand at $15-$20 billion that might have been worth having a shutdown over. But once they agreed to Boehner's initial offer, there was no point.

[Hannah Bell]

26. they got $8 billion more than they asked for. haggling, my ass.

the democrats rolled over.

there was no bait & switch whatsoever. the $60 billion -- which most people seem to think was the republican demand -- was a red herring for the public, so they wouldn't notice that the dems rolled over.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. So let me get this straight...

You think the Democrats plotted with the Republicans to have them up their position to $61 billion so that they could give the Republicans more than they initially asked for. Do I have that right?

[sabrina 1]

24. If we had a tough leader, as soon as Republicans started

whining about the budget, s/he would go the list of things not included in the budget out of 'consideration' for the other side, and add a few more.

Each time they started screaming, add more. And let them shut down the government. Just make sure that every Democrat is all over TV blaming Republicans for shutting down the government, for the war they are waging on workers, for the wars they started which created the deficit in the first place, for the Bush tax cuts etc.

Then that leader would mobilize the people to get on the phone to Republicans so that they get to hear personally, thousands of angry citizens, blaming them for any government shutdown.

There was no call for the public to get involved. No fight, as always, and I'm beginning to think it's all an orchestrated game to get what they actually want and then make the bases of both parties think they won something.

[inna]

40. good cop, bad cop. How most people buy this charade is beyond me.

[sendero]

35. They initially asked for 30 billion..

... and when the Dems met their request they doubled it.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Happy Hour? n/t

[Ramulux]

8. Literally nothing

They just got slightly less than they wanted.

Rude Pundit put it best

"A decent comparison would be to imagine that you have grown a beautiful apple tree, but your neighbor wants it down so he can see the factory on the hill better. You say that you can trim the branches. He offers to cut down the tree, burn down your home, and kick you in the nuts. If you're a Democrat, you figure if you can convince your neighbor not to kick you in the nuts, it's a victory. If you're a Republican, you say, "No, I'm still gonna kick you in the nuts." If you're Barack Obama, you offer your ass instead."

[OHdem10]

9. When you draw up the plan, you decide what is in it. Republicans

are only concerned the Rich, Wall St. Big Business and
the Defense Dept.

For them to give up something it has to come from
these Groups. I do not believe they gave anything.

Their goal is destruction of Liberalism. I would
say they gained much more than they gave.

They pulled the President past Center and onto
The Republican Playing Field.

[bluethruandthru]

20. The President has been past center for a long time.

We've been on the R's playing field for 30 years.

[deacon]

11. The tea party?

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. The right to control a woman's uterus

Maybe

[kelly1mm]

18. Unless that woman lives in DC ..... for now. nt

[jillan]

30. Unfuckingbelievable.

[donheld]

19. for now

[Hannah Bell]

15. They didn't give up anything. They got MORE than they originally asked for.

[kelly1mm]

17. Their eternal souls. Oh, you meant what they gave up tonight? nt

[Tx4obama]

21. They gave up the 'government shutdown' - they wanted that!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x648752

[ProSense]

22. Here's what

they wanted, but didn't get.

The House passed the bill to gut the EPA. It failed in the Senate.

They really wanted these.

Kerry

<...>

Start with the fact that they’re going to shut down the government if we don’t prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases which the Supreme Court of the United States – all those Justices appointed by Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 – said the EPA has to do.

Folks, we had that debate. It’s fresh in our minds. This week the Senate debated Senator McConnell’s amendment to cut off EPA’s authority under the Clean Air Act. It lost. Three other amendments with similar approaches had up or down votes - each one of them failed. The process worked – amendments were debated and votes were counted. So now, it’s do it or we’ll shut down the government. I don’t remember a lot of Americans voting for dirtier air – or water they can’t drink – or longer droughts for farmers – but now they’re saying the government’s going to be shut down if we don’t handcuff the EPA. We’ve been here before. In December 1995, one of the reasons that the federal government shutdown was the Republican attempts to include a “….excessive number of anti-environmental riders.” And here we go again. The Budget Committee Chairman, Senator Conrad, reports that last night in the middle of the night, the other side put mountaintop mining riders on the table. What’s that have to do with reducing the deficit?

<...>

[JTFrog]

37. Thank you for always putting the facts out there.

The outrage factory will have none of it, but thank you anyway.

[kestrel91316]

25. Republicans never give up a damned thing. Are you saying they did this time??

I haven't been following this budget thing other than to note with disgust the attempt to defund PP.

[Safetykitten]

27. I don't think they gave up one thing, Just wondering if I missed something.

[Umbral]

28. They didn't get to shut down the Government...

And absolutely nothing else.

[jillan]

31. The better question is - what did we get? All those riders that were taken out are just going to be

voted on in the upcoming weeks. Planned Parenthood lived for another day or two, but not title X services in DC.

What did we win? I honestly don't know.

[Brother Buzz]

32. John Boehner gave up some choice tee times

[_ed_]

33. Nothing

Obama surrenders again. Fucking pathetic.

[JTFrog]

36. Herp Derp.

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[slackmaster]

39. Using taxpayer money to "murder" a few black "babies" in DC

That's all I can make of it.