What did we get for $39 Billion dollars?

[DainBramaged]

Zippo. Nada. Zero. Bupkis.


Out-fucking-maneuvered yet again.

Cut the god-damned defense budget, then you'll see progress on the deficit.

[Karmadillo]

1. Obama got a photo op! Four more years!

nt

[HowHasItComeToThis]

18. JUST ONE RONALD RAY-GUN CAN DESTROY AMERICA

IT ALL STARTED WITH THAT SOB

[Motown_Johnny]

2. 1.02% reduction in spending for the next ~6 months

and an increase in human suffering, we can't forget that.

[kenny blankenship]

3. The Republicans gave up their insistence on a Unicorn Tax.

"You shall not crucify this nation upon a cross of Unicorn Taxes!" Harry Reid thundered, and there was napalm in his eyes when he said it. The Republicans got up to reply but then one by one they thought better of it and sat back down. Oh yes, our lads stood their ground and made the other side blink. And no one will have to pay Unicorn Taxes next year!

[earthside]

4. But Planned Parenthood was saved.

What do you call that in negotiations?

When you put something out and pretend that it is terribly important to you, then let the other side follow you down that rabbit hole.

Meanwhile you more quietly increase the demands for what you really want -- then in the end give-up on the "important" item and call the whole deal a "compromise"?

I'm sure there is an actual term for this ploy.

And, that is what the Planned Parenthood controversy really was.

[jaxx]

5. Planned Parenthood isn't important?

I wouldn't give the pubs the edge on that one.

[Fearless]

10. It's a red herring. It is an issue that the GOP picked up to pull the conversation

Into their direction. They didn't really care about that. But they demanded it so that our compromise would move closer to their end under the illusion that they actually wanted it. In the end they got almost everything they wanted and it makes it look like we "won" because we "saved" so much they didn't really want. That's what the person above is saying I believe.

[jaxx]

11. I disagree. It was used to promote the rightwing abortion stance.

PP was very much worth the save.

[Fearless]

12. They aren't saying that it wasn't worth saving but that the GOP wasn't actually thinking they'd get

It.

[jaxx]

14. I disagree.

I'll leave it at that.

[quaker bill]

6. It is not a ploy

A poly is something that they would not do but pretend to do for effect. If they could have gotten the votes they would have cut PP off. I assure you this will be back along with alot more.

[earthside]

7. It is a ploy.

Abortion as a social issue has been a ploy of the Repuglicans since Reagan.
They use it to keep their right-wing religious base pumped-up and inflamed.

Why would they ever give that up by actually doing something decisive on that issue?

Meanwhile, thousands of federal employees are going to lose their jobs, and aid from programs to help people is going to go away because of these cuts.

"Saving Planned Parenthood" is the 'face saving' issue for the Democrats ... but the teabaggers got 80 percent of what they wanted in cuts, more than they ever should have reasonably expected.

[JoePhilly]

8. You are applying YOUR view of planned parent-hood to them.

If you were to read the right wing blogs, you'll find that they are very pissed that planned parenthood survived. They see it as critical.

And to suggest that the GOP isn't attacking abortion rights in a "decisive" way, you are wrong. Their entire strategy is to dismantle it piece by piece. That's why you have many states, thanks to newly elected tea bag jerks, passing restrictions on abortion. Its wht the GOP attacked abortion during the health care debate, and its why they attacked PP now.

[SusanaMontana41]

17. Glad they're pissed, but

taking food out of the mouths of my unemployed niece and her children does not a victory make. The War on Women won last night, Planned Parenthood or no Planned Parenthood.

You don't negotiate with hijackers.

Obama apparently is afflicted with the disease to please.

[eomer]

20. You're failing to distinguish those whose strings are being pulled from those doing the pulling.

Yes, many rightwing voters care about it. That's why they are vulnerable to the ploy. The wealthy corporatists don't really care about it, they merely use it as a string to pull to get ordinary rightwingers to be rightwingers and vote against their own interests on everything else.

[msongs]

9. repub "demands" were just throwaways they were willing to dump to get their slashes in budget nt

[phleshdef]

13. "We" should have thought of that before giving the Republicans a license to cut in election 2010.

[butterfly77]

15. Here ya go...

The full list of policy riders in HR1 includes: (from http://www.ombwatch.org/files/budget/OMB_Watch-HR1_Poli ... ):

Policy Riders in H.R. 1

Sec. 1284 - Prohibits funding for fresh fruits and vegetables in the school lunch program. under section 19 of the Richard B. Russell National School Lunch Act.

Sec. 4013 - Prohibits funds to the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc., or any of its affiliates.

Sec. 1112 - Prohibits transferring detainees from Guantanamo Bay.
Sec. 2237 - Prohibits HUD funding for rental assistance to the elderly.
Sec. 4006 - Blocks the FCC from implementing Net Neutrality.

Sec. 1802 - Prohibits funding new Job Corp centers.
Sec. 4017 - Strips funding for any provision of the health care reform law.
Sec. 4030 - Prohibits BATF from collecting information on multiple rifle/shotgun sales to the same person.

Sec. 1590 - Prohibits DC from using its own, non-federal funds, for abortion services.
Sec. 4046 - Prohibits finding for a govt-sponsored consumer product complaints database
Sec. 1746 - Prohibits funding for EPA efforts to regulate greenhouse gases

Sec. 4027 - Prohibits funds to carry out medical loss ratio restrictions in the health care reform law. (These provisions require insurers to spend at least a certain percent of their premium revenues on medical care.)

Sec. 4009 - Prohibits funds to pay the salaries and expenses of the following Presidential �czarsŽ: Obama Care Czar, Climate Change Czar, Global Warming Czar, Green Jobs Czar, Car Czar, Guantanamo Bay Closure Czar, Pay Czar and Fairness Doctrine Czar.

[Egalitariat]

16. We're winning. $39 Billion is chump change. We've grown the budget substantially since 2009.

Giving back a few billion dollars now, after adding 20x that or more in the last couple of years, shouldn't be seen as a loss.

It's like fretting over adding a couple of pounds at Thanksgiving after you've spent the last 12 months losing 50.

[n2doc]

19. We? You must be a military contractor n/t