Strange Twist in Wisconsin Battle by Lisa Pease (4-8-11 Consortium News)

[bobthedrummer]

"A battle for the heart and soul of American democracy is being waged in this country. But it might not be the battle you're watching..."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/040811b.html

Karl Rove's American Action Network/AAN has been very "influential" here in battlezone Wisconsin and there is a highly informative archived Fridays Child thread to review in the context of the alleged Brookfield "human error". This was a crime.

For the record and in keeping with what we know, so far, here are Karl's girls (started 3-31-07 by Fridays Child)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x548152

I believe this was a crime. What do you think it was?

[PeaceNikki]

1. How would she have known which city she should "withhold"?

I still don't and won't ever understand that.

Burying those votes would ALWAYS have been caught in certification process regardless. As it was.

The thing I don't understand in all of this is what she would have had to gain in burying a WHOLE CITY. I will C&P what I have said repeatedly here:

THIS is why I think the case of the Brookfield votes WAS a mistake. A dumb incompetent mistake. They HAD to know it would launch a full investigation. I think THIS is why she was a nervous twit at presser- she knew she'd be the center of unwanted attention.

GAB is investigating with a fine-tooth comb. The Kloppenburg campaign is investigating with an even finer tooth comb. And there will be a recount in which every ballot is looked at with human eyeballs.

If this asshole wanted to throw the election to Prosser, this is about the stupidest way she could have done it. Anyone with access to city and county vote totals and a calculator would discover it in 5 minutes once the error was announced.

BUT it MUST and WILL be thoroughly investigated. Incompetence to that degree is as bad as fraud. That woman is responsible for *MY* vote and I want answers and I want a fine-tooth comb to see if she's made other mistakes and/or actually acting nefariously. This alleged mistake has opened her up to a deep deep dive that I am sure she didn't want. If she so much as forgot to cross a "t", we'll find it.

[zeemike]

6. How do we know that the results for that city were not switched

With some other city that leans Democratic?...and then latter found and posted again?
don't expect some one who is a criminal to not try to cover their tracks....the best of them do it all the time.

[PeaceNikki]

8. The Democratic vice-chair of the county confirmed the 14k were not in the #'s released to media

There are VERY few cities in Waukesha county that lean Dem - let alone one with similar (yet nearly exactly offsetting) numbers.

Here is a link where you can download ward-by-ward results for fall's general election: http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/results/2010/fall-general/ward

There isn't a community in there that would come CLOSE to qualifying as a Dem leaning community to bury with similar total vote counts to Brookfield. It just doesn't exist.

[zeemike]

35. Well I am sure they weren't.

I mean that would be a dead givaway....and this woman is a pro after all.
And the only way to know for sure is to check the paper trail, which I predict Will never happen.

[PeaceNikki]

16. Let me kill this wild and crazy theory here and now. Data compiled from 2010 General election.

Not a blue city in the county:



Here's the link to source data: http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/results/2010/fall-general/ward

[zeemike]

34. But that is last election not this one

If it were me I would pick some town like Menomonee Falls that had about that many vote total.
And it is not hard for me to think this election is different considering Walkers actions.

[formernaderite]

37. cause the city apparently reported the totals

and it was published on the county website. Just not sent further. there's an excellent thread somewhere explaining the details. The lady who didn't count them in, was just the recipient of the totals...the town had them and they're the same. Unfortunately I do not see this as anything we could possibly overturn.

[zeemike]

39. So she received the totals and then what?

Sent the information to be published?...just what was her job then?
I am sorry but I smell something wrong and my instinct for this has served me well over the years....something is wrong.

[formernaderite]

41. I understand however,

if the town's totals still match what she later sent? there's been no change? This thread makes sense of it all, as the numbers were published even before she didn't add them in : http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x841430

[zeemike]

43. I once shilled for a guy that ran a dice game.

And he would always win....and there was little doubt in my mind that the game was rigged but he would never tell me how he did it....but if you just watched what he did you would never know.
He used to say he never made a bet he did not know the outcome of...and he made his living that way.

[formernaderite]

49. I'm sure after the canvassing is over

they will reexamine the city numbers. But what people are saying is the town itself ran a corrupt election. We'll see... there's also evidence this is how they always vote, and they had democrats and repubs running the election. Obviously the best outcome would be if Prosser lost...

[robinlynne]

7. methinks you ahvent looked deeply into elecitons in this country. looking at ballots if the

chain of custody is less than perfect is useless. one tiny example. They are not fools. They have been honing the craft for many many years. They don't just do one move, the one you see here, to take an election. They do many simultaneously.

[PeaceNikki]

10. They aren't mind-reading geniuses either, ffs.

[nebenaube]

19. no

but they have compiled years of regression data on republican performance on a state-wide, ward by ward basis... So they would know exactly what they can do in context and not stand out as an outlier.

[PeaceNikki]

20. Well good thing we'll be examining every ballot on a recount then, huh?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

30. that was precisely what Nicklaus was hired to do

"For seven years, she worked as a data analyst and computer specialist for the Assembly Republican Caucus (ARC), where she managed an effort to build a computer program to track and average the performance of Republicans in elections across the state by ward."

[nebenaube]

36. which would allow them to plausibly pad the vote everywhere... n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

38. wouldn't doubt it one bit -nt

[mzteris]

12. What about this scenario?

- - - suppressing what she knew would be a Prosser stronghold - which then kicks this into "dem hysteria territory" for voter fraud, etc...

this makes us put forth a tremendous amount of money!, effort, volunteer man hours, attention, blogging, emails, meetings, etc on this - what eventually turns out to be - a non-issue because it was all a ginned-up "fraud".

A waste of that money, effort, volunteer man hours, etc - that would/could be better spent on the RECALL EFFORTS, monitoring any and everything that Walker, Fitgeralds, and Kochs think say and do.

A misdirection of all the Dem resources...

I think she "took one for the team" - becoming a national laughing stock - to further their efforts to cripple us.

[PeaceNikki]

13. I dunno, still not buying it since missing a whole city is so very quickly caught.

I stand by my assertion that this was a grave error on her part. I think they very well could find evidence of corruption and fraud, I just don't buy that it's tied to those Brookfield votes. I think that was a terrible mistake that she regrets because it has now shone a light on her.

[Rex]

22. You don't have to buy anything, time will tell.

All this speculation is fascinating, but the end results probably will surprise a lot of people.

For the record, I don't believe this was a 'grave error'.

[PeaceNikki]

24. Similarly, you don't have to "believe " anything because, yes, time will tell.

So there's that.

Some of the speculation is, quite frankly, RIDICULOUS and full of misinformation about the makeup of the county, how elections, certification and recounts are handled here in WI. Some of those wild and crazy theories are downright humorous.

[Rex]

25. Of course to you they are because you are in the thick of it and

most people are NOT. Yeah some of the guessing is down right silly...and I believe most of it is wishful thinking.

Honestly I will not be surpised if we lose and The Posser wins. I just can't believe we let criminals have such key jobs...well GOPers let them, don't think Dems would have kept her on the payroll.

[PeaceNikki]

27. People have said it's "obvious fraud" because "no place could be THAT red" or

"No way voter turnout was that high" or have been shocked that a virtual unknown liberal who trailed by 30 points 8 weeks ago against a sitting SC judge with 20 years of political experience in this state that just voted in Republicans 5 months ago.

One does not need to be in the thick of anything to see how ridiculous those claims are.

[Rex]

32. Yes and people have pointed out the clerks criminal past too.

Lot of legit reasons as well. I can't wait for a recount...should be interesting.

[mzteris]

46. it was supposed to be "caught"

whip us into a frenzy or "conspiracy" vote/election fraud, etc... focus our attention on "this" issue - while the screw us happily in multiple elsewhere's.

[BR_Parkway]

44. Not to mention giving everyone such an easy target to focus on for fraud

Isn't that what magicians do? Distract you with one thing while they "conjure" something in the other?

[Gin]

14. I thought that city ran out of paper and used DRE machines..

the DRE can be switched and only a report can be run...no paper trail....it just all stinks.

[PeaceNikki]

15. Totally inaccurate

First of all, only one community in Waukesha County ran out - that was Delafield, not Brookfield: http://www.livinglakecountry.com/lakecountryreporter/119294804.html

Secondly, we use DRE for handicapped. Those machines print paper, as required by law. They print a paper ballot identical to the regular ones that the voter (or their aide or friend) can verify (and request a new one if there was an error) before putting it in the scanner.

[AdHocSolver]

26. Incompetence is often used as a cover up for very clever fraud.

The details of Nickolaus "mistake" are unimportant.

The purpose of her "mistake" would be to distract people from any serious investigation into vote counting fraud, such as vote flipping, occurring in other counties.

The purpose of this "mistake" would be to have the public place all of its attention on this one person in one county, and forget about all of the other counties where the real fraud took place.

This technique worked very will to Republican advantage in Florida where all the attention was focused on "hanging chads", and little attention was placed on the vote counting shenanigans that took place in other counties.

[PeaceNikki]

29. Well it's good that we'll be examining all ballots with our eyeballs on recount, then, huh?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

31. Exactly - there was very little discussion of e-voting fraud in Florida 2000

by 2004 we were ready but they'd had 4 years to tweak their game...

[xchrom]

2. lots of twists in this strange -- this one from your link:

'And when she did “remember” to report the results, which she had kept at home on her personal computer despite having been told before the election not to do this, not only did the votes from that city put the Republican Prosser over the top, but the margin put the election itself just over the margin for which an automatic recount would kick in.'

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[fasttense]

4. It's about trusting her, not about the numbers.

"So we’re being asked to believe that the woman who had recently served as president of the Republican Women of Waukesha County, who had a personal stake in seeing her former boss and a member of her party win, forgot to enter the very data that would have put her candidate over the top in an election where the very future of her party’s role in state government was at stake."

Not to mention someone who has been known to be involved in criminal activity and who has 13 years experience of voter data manipulation.

I wouldn't let her count chickens let alone an election.

[iwishiwas]

5. This is the first place /blog I have seen that claims she kept the computer at HOME. All

others say it was in her office.

[robinlynne]

9. It doesnt matter where it was. Computers are not safe mechanisms for counting votes. period.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. I KNEW it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=842730&mesg_id=843136

[postulater]

17. Maybe Waukesha was a smokescreen.

Maybe the real damage was done in other counties and she agreed to take the heat to avoid the recount statewide.

If she looks like an idiot it's all for the greater good. And she's done well for herself by looking like an idiot before, why not again?

Waukesha is not the problem, look around, there's garbage everywhere!

[PeaceNikki]

18. OK, nothing she can do can stop a state-wide hand recount.

Just so we're clear on that.

[postulater]

42. But if the margin is large enough it forces Kloppenburg to pay.

And Kloppenburg might think twice about paying for the entire state.

Didn't Gore ask for a limited recount?

[dems_rightnow]

45. The Prosser side has agreed to a recount of only Waukesha County

If that's what the Kloppenburg side wants. At least in theory they've agreed.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119486574.html

That's would be very manageable financially. And if not much is found there, then the rest of the state couldn't realistically yield enough votes to change things.

[postulater]

48. If there was intent to defraud by Prosser's side

then that would fit their plan quite well.

I don't think it is wise to assume that the rest of the state was legit.

[gkhouston]

53. We actually don't know that. Votes can be flipped by the tabulator and Milwaukee

came in with a higher percentage for Prosser than I would have expected, given that Milwaukee would have good reason to hate Walker's guts.

[gkhouston]

52. Commonly, candidates ask for limited recounts, but if my back-of-the-envelope math

is correct, we're currently just under the 0.5% threshold. That's not saying it will still be that way at the end of canvassing, but it's possible.

[Octafish]

21. Crime -- part of a larger conspiracy.

Karl Rove, BFEE.

[Rex]

23. Funny how his ugly ratlike mug always shows up when there are

'controversial' elections. Funny that.

[Octafish]

28. It's always 'coincidence' when one smells a professional rat.

And when the subject is rats, one smells fouler than the rest.

[Rex]

33. He is one very lucky ratfucker...if we had an actual liberal media

like we are lied to on a daily basis...KKKarl would be prisoner Rove by now imo.

[pnorman]

40. k&r for this and linked threads!

n/t

[bobthedrummer]

47. Thanks to all so far, I learn something new from you everyday-kick

[Zorra]

50. FDR: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens,

you can bet it was planned that way."

Hopefully, someone will discover the reasons why Nickolaus keeps everything secret, keeps critical data on her personal computer without apparent reliable backup, and does not have a second person who knows how to access the data in case she is incapacitated, etc.

It is possible that she may have withheld the data for nefarious reasons that are not readily apparent or discernable, and the truth may never be uncovered. This could all be smoke and mirrors.

Rove and his fraud crew may be involved, and may very well have been working on, and found, some clever new and improved way to steal an election. He certainly has all the resources and more behind him to assemble a team of experts to do this.

I am hoping that some really skilled techie/forensic/logistical investigators can solve this riddle by examining the scenario and evidence and then extrapolating on the possibilities of what could have been done here that is outside the realm of the obvious. But I suspect that the surface evidence will lead to a quick conclusion that no fraud was committed, and the matter will never be thoroughly investigated. Remember, it took a while after the election to discover some of the ways that fraud was committed in Florida, 2000.

And it is possible that this whole thing could have been purely an enormous mistake, and that the amazing assemblage of circumstantial evidence is a profound and ironic coincidence. I'm really having a hard time wrapping my mind around this possibility, and I wish I knew enough about computers to be able to make a reasonable deduction about why Nickolaus uses such apparently unorthodox and suspect methods of manipulating electoral data. My gut is screaming that something is wrong that is not even remotely obvious on the surface.

FDR was a very astute man, and IMO, the quote at the beginning of this post should be taken lightly.

[bobthedrummer]

51. drip ,drip, spurt... n/t

[bobthedrummer]

54. ^^^ ^^^ ^^^