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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:05 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 52
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10">AJE Live Blog April 10 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x848216">Day 51 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Libyan rebels scattered as morter shells fired by army forces crashed down nearby on Friday in Ajdabiya.

Photograph: Chris Hondorus / Getty Images


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7380HA20110409">NATO says destroys 17 Libyan tanks at Misrata, Brega
BRUSSELS, April 9 (Reuters) - NATO forces destroyed 17 tanks belonging to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces on Friday and early Saturday, a NATO official said on Saturday.

NATO aircraft hit 15 tanks near the western city of Misrata, where Gaddafi's forces are attacking rebels, and two south of Brega in the east of the country, he said. "Friday's operations could prove to have had the highest tempo (since NATO took command of military operations in Libya)," the official said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13023800">Libya: RAF Tornados destroy seven Libyan tanks
RAF Tornados have destroyed seven tanks in Libya as air strikes there continue, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has said.

The jets hit two tanks in Ajdabiyah and five in Misratah on Friday - areas which have seen fighting between rebels and Col Muammar Gaddafi's troops.

RAF Typhoons have also been involved in policing the UN-backed no-fly zone.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/09/libya-rebels-vent-frustration-on-nato">Libya rebels vent frustration on Nato and a silent leadership
The chants of the demonstrators in Benghazi and among furious rebel fighters on Libya's frontline reflected the sudden shift in mood.

"Where is Nato?" demanded the same people who only days earlier were waving French flags and shouting "Viva David Cameron".

But behind the growing anger in revolutionary Libya over what is seen as a retreat by the West from air strikes against Muammar Gaddafi's forces – a fury compounded by two botched Nato raids that killed rebel fighters – there was a second question: where are our leaders?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/09/red-cross-ship-docks-misrata-libya">Red Cross ship arrives in Misrata in breakthrough for aid workers
A Red Cross ship carrying medical supplies docked in the besieged Libyan city of Misrata today as aid workers also made their way to Zawiyah, a coastal town near Tripoli that has been virtually off limits to aid agencies.

"We are sending the ship to support Misrata's main hospital, by delivering enough medical supplies to treat 300 patients with weapon injuries on the spot," Jean-Michel Monod, head of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) team now in Tripoli, said.

Its arrival came more than a week after the independent humanitarian agency began negotiations with Libyan government officials on access to western areas. "This is definitely a breakthrough," ICRC spokeswoman Nicole Engelbrecht said.



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:07 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 1:07am Sunday, April 10
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:13 PM
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2. AJE has exclusive footage of Gaddafi forces going door to door in Ajdabiya, looking for sympathizers
11:55pm Al Jazeera has obtained exclusive, undated footage showing Gaddafi's forces in Libya, and being seen for the first time inside Ajdabiya, a hotly-contested battleground.

The men are seen going from house to house questioning people to find out if they belong to the opposition.

The video also shows a glimpse of some of the heavy artillery such as rocket launchers, on the highway just outside of town.

For more on this, please go to our Libya live blog for April 10.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-9#update-24991
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:15 PM
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3. K&R
:hi:





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:16 PM
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4. Translated: A Comprehensive report of all the events in the city of Misratah April 8th
http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/translated-a-comprehensive-report-of-all-the-events-in-the-city-of-misratah-april-8th/">Translated: A Comprehensive report of all the events in the city of Misratah April 8th
A report on the latest events in the city of Misratah for today, Friday 8th April 2011. Since the morning at around 8.30am, we heard the sounds of loud explosions which some thought were NATO forces striking Gaddafi’s forces, but we didn’t hear the sounds of fighter jets flying over the city of Misratah. After that, we came to know that these were the sound of exploding bombs made by the revolutionaries, also known as “Jelateena”. The revolutionaries detonated these bombs in Tripoli street, and in the Insurance building to be more precise. A mercenary inside the building was captured when he came down and attempted to escape.

The revolutionaries managed to capture him in An Nasr Square after which Gaddafi’s forces attempted to enter Tripoli Street and open a route for reinforcements to reach the snipers which were stationed on the roofs of building.

Gaddafi’s forces attempted to enter with 3 tanks and a huge bulldozer. They tried to remove the shipping crates filled with sand that the revolutionaries placed as a barrier to prevent reinforcement being transported. They also resumed their random bombardment, but the revolutionaries fought back and managed to destroy one tank causing the remaining tanks to withdraw and leave Tripoli Street completely.

Tripoli street is completely closed between Al Guwairi traffic light junction till the Insurance Building. The revolutionaries also managed to push forward some more in Tripoli street and managed to place more shipping crates filled with sand, and specifically near the vegetable market. Thus, they have managed to control another large portion of Tripoli Street, despite the ongoing clashes between them and the snipers in that area which is leading to heavy losses from Gaddafi’s forces.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 06:18 PM
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5. Opposition fighters have re-established control of Ajdabia after three hour battle
@bencnn benwedeman
Opposition fighters have re-established control of Ajdabia after three hour battle against pro-Qaddafi forces. #Libya
5 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn/status/56775336792293377
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 07:08 PM
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6. Girl in Libya recites Qur'an while Shrapnel Remove
Edited on Sat Apr-09-11 07:28 PM by tabatha
http://youtu.be/Hy0T2JwIPX8

Without anesthetics, this girl recites Qur'an to get her mind off of the pain from the shrapnel being removed from her leg.

http://youtu.be/ioMfBqKvXz0
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 07:22 PM
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7. Video Interview: Battalion snipers targeting children in Misurata
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:49 AM
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65. LIBYA HURRA -- !!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 08:25 PM
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8.  Libyan government assault on Misrata kills at least 30 rebels: rebel source citing comrades, medics
@Reuters Reuters Top News
FLASH: Libyan government assault on Misrata kills at least 30 rebels: rebel source citing comrades, medics
3 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/Reuters/status/56830115170099201
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 09:05 PM
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9. Rare footage shows Gaddafi troops patrolling Ajdabiya
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:52 AM
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29. That is indeed interesting footage.
The more footage, the better.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:54 AM
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30. I was amused by how eager one of those people appeared to show their green flag.
Almost too eager, if you ask me.

Wonder if he has a "rebel flag" for similar occasions.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 09:47 PM
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10. Someone unrecced as soon as I recced
This is just a place to share articles and news on Libya. Why hit it so hard with the unrecs?

Anyway - you know I'm the human interest girl. Here's a video of some of the epic Libyan images set to music.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xi1pcx_the-epic-libyan-revolution_news
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 10:53 PM
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11. Thanks so much for those MedleyMisty!
Don't let the unreccer's bug you, they have agendas.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:00 PM
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12. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 6 AM SUNDAY, APRIL 10
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:08 PM
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13. Increased NATO strikes help rebels beat Misrata assault
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/10/uk-libya-idUKLDE71Q0MP20110410">Increased NATO strikes help rebels beat Misrata assault
(Reuters) - Libyan rebels beat off a new assault by Muammar Gaddafi's forces on the besieged western city of Misrata, losing as many as 30 fighters but helped by more intense NATO air strikes.

As fighting raged on for the coastal town, where conditions are said to be desperate, a buoyant Muammar Gaddafi made his first television appearance for five days and his troops engaged rebels in more fighting on the eastern front of the civil war.

Misrata is the last major rebel outpost in the west of Libya. Gaddafi's forces appear bent on seizing the city and crucially its port, which some analysts say Gaddafi needs if he is to survive a long conflict.

Rebel spokesman Mustafa Abdulrahman said by telephone Saturday's fighting centred on a road to Misrata port, where a Red Cross vessel brought in badly needed medical supplies earlier in the day.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:09 PM
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14. Libyan citizen journalists under fire
ELIZABETH JACKSON: The uprisings in the Middle East have made citizen journalism almost mainstream. But sadly, like international correspondents, citizen journalists put themselves quite literally in the line of fire and sometimes pay the ultimate price.

Three weeks ago, Mohammed Nabbous, who the Guardian described as the "face of citizen journalism in Libya" was shot and killed by Gaddafi forces as they were entering Benghazi.

Mohammed Nabbous anchored the first independent television channel to be set up after the protests began in Benghazi and he became a primary contact for journalists all over the world. His death was mourned on CNN, Al Jazeera and National Public Radio by journalists who had kept in almost daily contact since he started broadcasting.

The day before Mohammed Nabbous was shot, ABC producer Jess Hill spoke to him for PM. Since then, she has remained in close contact with his wife Perdita.

http://www.abc.net.au/correspondents/content/2011/s3186864.htm
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:12 PM
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15. The Price of the Divide on Libya
The military intervention in Libya has divided the left into two camps, the pro-interventionists and the anti-imperialists who define it as a military assault equivalent to the war in Iraq. At the centre of this division is an apparent contradiction between supporting the people’s revolution against autocracy and an anti-imperialist stance which denounces western hypocrisy. As a Libyan, I reject this false contradiction. I see myself as an anti-imperialist, I denounce western double standards, and I supported the revolution and the intervention. I see no need to twist myself into an arguing position where I declare myself to be for the people’s revolution, but against the intervention that sustained it. That, to me, would be the contradiction.

The accusations levelled at the pro-interventionists include naivety, hypocrisy, and selling their soul (and dignity) to the devil. The rhetorical questions fly: How can you believe this is a humanitarian intervention? Who bolstered Gaddafi? How about Bahrain, Yemen, Palestine? Afghanistan, Iraq, see what they did there? Rwanda, see what they didn’t do there? Do the three letters O-I-L mean anything to you?

http://www.kabobfest.com/2011/04/the-price-of-the-divide-on-libya.html
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:04 AM
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31. Good contribution.
In principle, I definitely agree that there is nothing wrong with revolutionary, anti-imperialist forces seeking to leverage imperialist diplomatic or military support for tactical reasons. It is also absolutely true that Gaddafi has functioned more as a vassal of imperialism for a number of years than an opponent of it... There is a hard-boiled pragmatism in the argument that strongly reminds me of the Tudeh of Iran circa 1980-1982. Pragmatism, of course, is also firmly entrenched in US political thought.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:11 AM
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32. Not sure how I missed this. Thanks tabatha.
Incredibly good article.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:31 AM
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35. I thought this comment was good.
Excellent article.The intervention began when Saif Islam claimed to be 24 hours from Benghazi, I don't understand the position that potentially hundreds of thousands of Libyans in Benghazi should be die for "anti-imperialism". I'm against empire too, but not with the practical short term result that people who are asking for help should die.

Gaddafi and his sons made a great case for intervention themselves by killing unarmed protestors with anti-aircraft guns and fighter planes and making obscene threats of further violence against the Libyan people. Its easy to abide strictly to an ideal when you don't have to deal with the consequences.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:11 AM
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41. Checking for permission
I'd seen this myself a few days ago but posted in the middle of a busy and discouraging news day (note to self: wait a few hours until people have the time). I was impressed as well and thought then (way back then, not so much now) that it would be good as an OP in GD, so I wrote to the author and site asking for permission to reprint in full. Haven't heard back yet though, but will follow up.

The whole KABOBfest site is full of little treasures. I don't know where to begin.

While I'm here, a "sorry" to all the good people here for the drive-by posts the past few days, but if I don't get my own life somewhat together I'll be posting for the next two years from the cockpit of a kayak, aka, "homeless in a little boat". The idea has charm, but the execution smells fishy and probably should be avoided.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:29 AM
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57. I hope things work out well for you.
While there is misery abroad, there is plenty here. Maybe, huge white tent settlements should be put up for the homeless, and the Red Cross should be involved - then photos of these should be hung up in Congress to remind Republicans what they have wrought.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:23 AM
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116. Looks lik e Obama moved from his liberal decision back to the right -- !!
Things may now be a bit clearer --
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:19 PM
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16. Libya: African leaders set for key visit


9 April 2011 Last updated at 05:21 ET


A team of African leaders, headed by South African President Jacob Zuma, is heading for Libya this
weekend on a key diplomatic mission.

...


Their first stop will be in Mauritiania on Saturday before going on to Tripoli on Sunday.

The South African foreign ministry said: "The committee has been granted permission by Nato to enter Libya and to meet in Tripoli with the Libyan leader.

"The AU delegation will also meet with the Interim Transitional National Council in Benghazi on 10 and 11 April."

It added: "Key on the agenda of both meetings will be the immediate implementation of a ceasefire from both sides and the opening of a political dialogue between the two parties."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13023267






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:34 PM
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17. This CNN story is an excellent, detailed update on the current situation:




Diplomats talk amid fierce fighting in key Libyan city


By the CNN Wire Staff

April 10, 2011 -- Updated 0205 GMT (1005 HKT)




STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• NEW: Two opposition helicopters attack in Ajdabiya

• The rebels appear to have averted a major setback there

• An African Union committee plans to meet opposition leaders in Benghazi this weekend

• Former U.S. lawmaker Weldon leaves Libya with a letter but no meeting with Gadhafi





Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- A battle raged in a strategically located Libyan city Saturday as state television showed a fist-pumping Moammar Gadhafi visiting a school, his first public appearance in days.

Rebels fought hard in a back-and-forth war for Ajdabiya, the last stop before their stronghold, Benghazi, further to the east. Witnesses reported three hours of fighting that they said involved explosions caused by NATO aircraft.

As the sun set, the rebels appeared to have averted a major setback by maintaining control of the hard-won city -- but it was tenuous at best. Outgunned, they conceded they were facing a formidable foe.

In a hospital, witnesses told CNN that three of Gadhafi's fighters who were killed were carrying identification cards from Syria, Algeria and Chad.

...


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/09/libya.war/





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-11 11:56 PM
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18. Libyan rebels face military surge on key outpost
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110410/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_libya">Libyan rebels face military surge on key outpost
AJDABIYA, Libya – Government soldiers and rebel gunmen battled in the streets of a key front-line city Saturday after the Libyan military used shelling and guerrilla-style tactics to open its most serious push into opposition territory since international airstrikes began. NATO airstrikes, meanwhile, hammered at Gadhafi's ammunition stockpiles and armored forces, destroying 17 tanks.

At least eight people were killed in the fighting over Ajdabiya, a hospital official said.

Recapturing the city would give the Libyan military a staging ground to attack the rebels' main stronghold, Benghazi, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) farther east along the coastal highway. Moammar Gadhafi's forces were approaching Benghazi when they were driven back by the international air campaign launched last month to protect civilians and ground Gadhafi's aircraft.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:12 AM
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19. Portrait of the young Gaddafi: A nutcase who loathed the 'ugly British'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375227/Portrait-young-Gaddafi-A-nutcase-loathed-ugly-British-unworldly-drank-water-finger-bowl.html?ito=feeds-newsxml">Portrait of the young Gaddafi: A nutcase who loathed the 'ugly British' and was so unworldly he drank water from a finger bowl
Top British diplomats and MI6 officers have spent nearly two weeks questioning Libya’s former Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa in the hope that they can unlock the secrets of Colonel Gaddafi’s war strategy and end his hated regime.

But a crucial insight into the Libyan leader’s mindset has already been provided by Koussa – the top-flight Gaddafi aide who defected to Britain – in a 226-page study of the dictator written more than 30 years ago.

The Mail on Sunday has uncovered a university dissertation – titled The Political Leader And His Social Background, Muammar Gaddafi, The Libyan Leader – written by Koussa when he was studying at Michigan State University in the United States in the Seventies. The document has been buried in the college archive until now.


Really interesting read. I know it's from The Daily Mail, so grain of salt, etc.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:37 AM
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20. Libya: Cash, fuel and food running short in Benghazi
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8439951/Libya-Cash-fuel-and-food-running-short-in-Benghazi.html">Libya: Cash, fuel and food running short in Benghazi
By now, Doctor Ahmed El Ojeli thought he would be working for a new, free Libya, and Muammar Gaddafi would be a bad memory.

Instead, on Friday he buried his student Salah Al Awamy, a medic who had died the previous day in a disastrous Nato "friendly fire" airstrike against a rebel tank column.

"I really didn't think our revolution would take this long, or be so bloody," Dr Ojeli said at Friday prayers, held on Benghazi seafront. "But now we think our struggle could go on for a long time yet and there will be many more dead."

He attended with other doctors before heading to the city's cemetery, where dozens of rebels were buried last week. Nobody is sure how many in total have been killed in Libya's eight-week uprising. Iman Boughaghis, a rebel spokeswoman, said the estimated figure for their supporters who have died is around 15,000.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:40 AM
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21. Beat me by less than a minute! :)
:toast:





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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:41 AM
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22. Nice article, too.
:hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:45 AM
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23. I edited it down to this:
Source: The Telegraph





Libya: Cash, fuel and food running short in Benghazi


As the Libyan conflict enters its eighth week, Benghazi's inhabitants are growing increasingly worried

about their city grinding to a halt.



By Nick Meo, Benghazi

6:00AM BST 10 Apr 2011


...


Their most acute problem is money – the governor of the Central Bank in Benghazi has warned all the cash in the city's banks will run out in just over a week's time. Their oilfields are being attacked by Col Gaddafi and infrastructure destroyed, and Benghazi is starting to look more and more dilapidated because essential services have more or less ground to a halt.

...


But the looming problems are potentially even more serious. Ahmed Ben Moussa, head of the National Transitional Council's humanitarian aid committee, said Benghazi was running out of essential foodstuffs including pasta, cheese, tuna, milk and children's food.

...


"I can see a humanitarian crisis coming and the minute people starve they will raise Gaddafi's green flag," Mr Ben Moussa said.

"Morale is still good and people are ready to die for the revolution – but they are not ready to see their children die for it. We have a few weeks' supply of staple food supplies, but it is not looking good and I am getting worried."

...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8439951/Libya-Cash-fuel-
and-food-running-short-in-Benghazi.html







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:47 AM
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24. Ahh, much better.
I just grab the first three paragraphs but yours is must more balanced.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:24 AM
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117. K/R
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:03 AM
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25. Al Jazeera footage of Gaddafi forces on the battlefield (3:07):
Here's a longer version of the footage Al Jazeera has obtained of government forces in the battlefield. It's filmed in mid-March and shows young men being taken into custody and beaten up by Gaddafi forces roaming the streets of Ajdabiya.

Watch at AJE...

7:30am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10


OR on YouTube:

A rare glimpse of Gaddafi forces (3:07):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPDwpSv8xW4&feature=player_embedded





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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:13 AM
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26. Kicked
and recced.

Kudos to josh/pinboy and tabatha for all your efforts keeping this information up for those who want to follow it. :toast:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:15 AM
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27. AU seeks end to Libya unrest


Source: Al Jazeera





AU seeks end to Libya unrest


African Union panel, due to visit Benghazi, appeals for "an immediate end to all hostilities" as fighting

rages on.



Last Modified: 10 Apr 2011 05:50


African Union mediators on Libya have reiterated their appeal for "an immediate end to all hostilities" and proposed a transition period to adopt reforms as intense fighting continues across the country.


The panel, headed by Mauritanian President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, is expected to head to the opposition stronghold of Benghazi in eastern Libya later on Sunday.


Comprised of five African leaders who are acting as AU mediators, the panel said in a statement that it had decided to go along with a roadmap adopted in March, which calls for an end to hostilities, "diligent conveying of humanitarian aid" and "dialogue between the Libyan parties".


It also said it intended to propose "inclusive management" of a transition period aimed at adopting and setting up of "the political reforms needed to eliminate the causes of the present crisis."

...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/20114104722371655.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:34 AM
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42. BBC reporter: AU plan for 2 sides to work together on transition "looks to be a nonstarter" nt



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:42 AM
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28. Gaddafi Tanks Blasted As Misratah Attacked



Source: Sky News





Gaddafi Tanks Blasted As Misratah Attacked


7:26am UK, Sunday April 10, 2011


Nato forces have destroyed 17 Libyan tanks as the rebel city of Misratah came under sustained attack from forces loyal to dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

...


"We have observed horrific examples of regime forces deliberately placing their weapons systems close to civilians, their homes and even their places of worship," Lt Gen Bouchard said in a statement.



"Troops have also been observed hiding behind women and children. This type of behaviour violates the principles of international law and will not be tolerated."



...


A Red Cross-chartered vessel carrying enough medical supplies to treat 300 patients with weapons wounds docked in Misrata on Saturday, helping the agency to extend its activities to western Libya.


Reinforcements and supplies also reached Gaddafi's troops.

...


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Misratah-Red-Cross-Relief-As-Gaddafi-Forces-
Attack-The-City-And-Nato-Blasts-Tanks/Article/200709215969569?
lpos=World_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_15969569_Libya
%3A_Misratah_Red_Cross_Relief_As_Gaddafi_Forces_Attack_The_City_And_Nato_Blasts_Tanks







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:29 AM
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33. Arms Watchdog Suspects Belarus-Libya Transports
A leading arms trade watchdog group suspects that Libya received a shipment of military equipment from Belarus, as forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi began a bloody crackdown on anti-government protesters.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, or SIPRI, reports that an Ilyushin IL-76 military cargo plane left Belarus two weeks ago and flew to Libya. The plane took off from Baranovichi, a Belarusian military base that inherited a huge stockpile of weapons after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The plane flew to Sebha, a base deep in the Sahara that is still controlled by Gadhafi loyalists.

The information comes from Hugh Griffiths, a British arms control expert for SIPRI. "Sebha is a very interesting airport because it is still under the control of Gadhafi. It’s surrounded by an area that is controlled by a tribe that is quite loyal, fiercely loyal, to Gadhafi. Gadhafi spent some time growing up in Sebha. He went to school there," he said.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Arms-Watchdog-Suspects-Belarus-Libya-Transports-117195293.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:29 AM
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34. To keep uprising news out, N. Korea orders its citizens in Libya not to return home
North Korea has ordered its citizens in Libya not to return home in an apparent bid to block news of civil uprisings in the Arab World from reaching the isolated state, according to Yonhap news agency.

The report says Pyongyang sent a message to its embassy in Libya telling about 200 North Korean workers not to return.

Pyongyang and Tripoli have maintained close diplomatic ties, with Gaddafi described in the North as a "revolutionary comrade" of leader Kim Jong-Il, according to defectors from the North.

7:58am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:47 AM
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44. I think it's really cause N. Korea wants more money.
Libya can still pay these workers with its still-plentiful money. Second, N. Korea probably believes the "storm will pass." N. Korea wouldn't want to pay for return-associated costs. They're big on shipping out workers to keep their state afloat.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:12 AM
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36. More clashes reported at Ajdabiyah--Reuters
Gaddafi's forces have clashed with opposition fighters in Ajdabiya, according to rebels quoted by Reuters.

A witness at Ajdabiya's eastern gate heard shooting and artillery fire and saw plumes of black smoke, suggesting Gaddafi's forces had pushed towards the centre of the town.

"There is resistance inside the city. Gaddafi forces are fighting with rebels. They have a presence inside."

9:50am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:26 AM
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37. Rebels tell of terror under Gadhafi's rule


Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review





Rebels tell of terror under Gadhafi's rule


By Betsy Hiel
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, April 10, 2011



BENGHAZI, Libya —

...


In 1977, “Gadhafi invented something called ‘people power’ … (and) the tragedy of the Libyan people began,” says Abdel Hafeth Ghoga, a human rights lawyer and deputy head of the rebels’ ruling national council.


“The executions against all the opposition began, whether they were students, professors … technocrats and intellectuals,” or soldiers who refused to join in the killing.


Executions were held in streets and public locations — including Garyounis University, the seaport, the main square and a sports stadium in Benghazi — or telecast live and turned into “a celebration,” ccording to Ghoga.


“Even in Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, there were live executions on television,” he says.


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_731603.html#ixzz1J6aA32Xz







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:09 AM
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38. "...clutching a battered...rifle...he wandered the morgue while his brother’s body was being washed"


Source: New York Times





As Qaddafi’s Troops Move In, a Seesaw Battle for Rebel City


By C. J. CHIVERS


Published: April 9, 2011

...


But a cadre of lightly armed local residents remained to fight for their homes, stopping the loyalists on Istanbul Street in the city’s center.


“We killed 10 of them,” said Said Halum, who stood in the morgue in the late afternoon over the body of his brother, Abdul Ghadir Halum, who had been shot between the eyes. “Our group split into two groups on Istanbul Street and fought them. The firing was very heavy.”


As the gun battle raged, the main rebel force rallied about 10 miles north of Ajdabiya. By evening, it had begun moving past the city’s northeastern checkpoint, from where the fighters fanned out and briefly re-established a degree of control of Ajdabiya’s eastern and central districts.

...


Mr. Halum, clutching a battered assault rifle as he wandered the morgue while his brother’s body was being washed, seemed both angry and perplexed. To reach Ajdabiya, the Qaddafi loyalists had crossed roughly 50 miles of open desert.


“Where is NATO?” he said. “The Qaddafi military came from Brega to Ajdabiya. Why do they not stop them?”





http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/world/africa/10libya.html?_r=1&hp






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:38 AM
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39. Rebel fighters killed in battle for control of strategic city of Ajdabiya




Gadhafi forces push rebels into eastern town


Rebel fighters killed in battle for control of strategic city of Ajdabiya



msnbc.com news services


updated 39 minutes ago


AJDABIYA, Libya — Forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi killed four rebel fighters in a battle for control of the strategic east Libyan town of Ajdabiya, rebels said on Sunday.

...


Insurgent Hassan Bosayna said eight Gadhafi fighters and four rebels were killed in fighting on Saturday, with one of the rebels shot in the forehead by a sniper.


Another rebel, Muftah, said: "There are Gadhafi forces inside Ajdabiya in sand-colored Land Cruisers and we know there are Gadhafi snipers in civilian clothing in the city as well."


Rebels were firing rockets from pick-up trucks into the desert on the outskirts of the town in a possible attempt to stop any flanking maneuver by Gadhafi loyalists.


One had clambered atop a telephone mast and was peering towards the town through binoculars.

...


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42517486/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:03 AM
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40. South Africa sold R70m ($10.5m USD) in arms to Libya last year


Source: The Times (South Africa)





SA sold R70m in arms to Libya


Apr 10, 2011 10:48 AM | By Sapa



The National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) annual report for 2010 showed that South Africa sold weapons to Libya worth about R70 million last year.

...


NCACC chairman and Justice Minister Jeff Radebe said South Africa exported arms worth R80.9 million to Libya between 2003 and 2009.


He refused to say whether more weapons went to Libya last year ahead of that country's civil unrest.


South African law prohibited the sale of weapons to countries where they may contribute to international repression, human rights violations or were likely to escalate regional military conflicts, endanger peace or threaten regional stability.


The NCACC was supposed to oversee weapons and military equipment transactions to ensure this did not happen.

...


http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article1011356.ece/SA-sold-R70m-in-arms-to-Libya







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:41 AM
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43. Cote d'Ivoire: Gbagbo's forces attack hotel HQ of president-elect Ouattara--Reuters nt



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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:17 AM
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45. Rebels shoot prisoners on the spot?
In the midafternoon, as the rebels searched cars at the city’s northeastern checkpoint and the fighting continued, they dragged a man from a vehicle, rushed him to the far shoulder of the road and shot him. The man’s capture, and his hasty burial, could be seen through binoculars from a few hundred yards away, though the execution was not visible because the crowd around the prisoner was too thick.

Journalists who tried to interview the executioners were chased away by gunfire that swept the checkpoint and the area nearby, apparently by coincidence. The bullets scattered the gathered crowd.

Later, after the gunfire subsided, several rebels said the man had been shot because he was known to be a loyalist agent. His name could not immediately be determined.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/world/africa/10libya.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&hp

I wonder if the killing of pro-Gaddafi prisoners is a policy, or is against policy. If it is against policy, will these rebels be punished? The lack of discipline appears very serious, if this is not policy.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:45 AM
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64. And vice versa, this time four of how many?
REBEL CORPSES

On Sunday morning, the corpses of four rebels were found dumped on a roadside.

"Their throats were slit. They were all shot a few times in the chest as well. I just could not stop crying when I saw them," said rebel Muhammad Saad. "This is becoming tougher and tougher."

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7390B320110410?feedType=RSS&feedName=libyaNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FAfricaLibyaNews+%28News+%2F+Africa+%2F+Libya+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher&sp=true

Gaddafi started this crap by mowing down unarmed protesters, but the transgressions, no matter how infrequent, by the Rebels, are noted.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:05 AM
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68. Unfortunately, ma'am, the longer this goes on...
the more chances there are for atrocities on both sides. The brutal tactics of Gaddafi's forces goad the rebels into comparable acts. Imagine how you would treat a sniper you thought shot at children that you managed to capture.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:18 AM
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69. Exactly. Rage.
There are always two sides to a story, there are factors that should be taken into consideration such as perpetrators and victims - and I cannot stand this negative nit-picking to try to undermine the cause of the rebels. So, I just counter it, realistically, whenever I can.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:31 PM
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76. "Nit picking?"
I would think the most ardent supporter of the rebels would be at least concerned.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. Probably not the best word to use.
But, in the face of the daily, unrelenting, unstoppable brutality by Gaddafi, it seems like an ant in comparison to an elephant (in my mind).

Gaddafi is the ruler of the country - he is supposed to look after his people, not slaughter them, not rob them or terrify them.

As Desmond Tutu said:


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:49 PM
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97. Concerned, disheartened, yes.
Surprised? No. Gaddafi's forces have done just as bad stuff. There's a video of a man being shot dead for not calling Gaddafi's name (surrounded by green-shirts, people clearly in Gaddafi's camp). What do you think happens to people who refuse to pledge allegiance to either side?

Like I said, I was amused by that guy waving that green flag during the searches house by house. I have no doubt he has a rebel flag stowed away somewhere for the purpose of calling allegiance to the other side.

Gaddafi supposedly has detention camps where thousands of rebels are being held. I'd be surprised if daily killings weren't occurring in those camps. And I think when this is over we'll see which side had a monopoly on wholesale slaughter of prisoners.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:24 PM
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105. No-one will be able to touch Gaddafi.
There was a video showing the rebels treating the Gaddafi forces well in hospital.

It may also pay to remember that many Gaddafi forces have changed sides.

This was a different case - this was somebody posing as a rebel but actually being a traitor.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. Yes, which is why it doesn't surprise me at all.
Look at the Partisens in WWII, the reprisal killings here are going to have to be treated cautiously. I hope the TNC invites the UN in for peacekeeping after this shit is over, just so normalcy can be obtained.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:51 PM
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108. Fear of "infiltrators" can wreck a movement.
While it has a different political character to it, the Filipino New People's Army is instructive. There were indeed a lot of government informers in that movement in the 1980s particularly. The movement got whipped into a real frenzy about "deep penetration agents." At one point in the later 80s, they wiped out hundreds of their cadre, very likely including many innocent members. It terrified their previous supporters, collapsed their morale, and isolated them. They nominally "tried" the accused, but "vigilance" always won out.

The problem here is that there will likely be an increase in loyalist penetration of rebel ranks. A real penetration. A similar situation with which those Filipinos dealt. The question is, what is the best way to deal with it? If you have a discipline revolutionary army, there is little room for someone to sabotage activities without revealing themselves. If they are revealed, you try them, with a high burden of proof. They can do whatever they want, but it they take an undisciplined course, they'll unmoor themselves from any potentially lofty goal, and alienate supportive people.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:18 PM
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110. Probably, the best thing would have been to tie him up
until the end of the battle. Hopefully, they will do that in the future.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:23 PM
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111. What do you try them on?
I don't know what means you can try them on. The eventuality is that they'd be released. It's instructive to send a message that if you infiltrate and turn, then justice will be swift. Basic war tactics.

For me the worry is about reprisals after one side wins. I have no doubt that if Gaddafi wins he will execute any supporters en masse. People can pretend all day and night that he'd treat them fairly and respect any sort of amnesty that he claims, but his history has shown that he has no compunction killing dissidents, on Live TV no less. He can always say "he had amnesty, but we found anti-Green Book propaganda on him last night."

The rebels on the other hand, have the potential to mitigate reprisal killings and avoid a protracted IRA type situation where one side is regularly killing the other. The outcome if they win is not written in stone, it can go either way.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:33 PM
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115. Subversion of revolutionary authority?
One could release them or you try them in such a manner. Any revolutionary movement that has some zones in which they exercise power can do that. Even in the Philippines, under the example I gave, the NPA has detention facilities of a sort.

I'm not saying that revolutionaries should or can abolish the death penalty before seizing power. But you can still have "swift justice" with some procedure and documentation. Having controls on such things is how to prevent a revolution from becoming banditry.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:44 PM
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95. Officially it's against the policy, unofficially it will never be held up.
This is very much like the Kosovo War, unfortunately. A lot of people will go to their deathbed without ever telling of the crimes they committed.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:30 AM
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46. A reversal of shame in Libya (Eman al-Obeidi)





A reversal of shame in Libya


Published: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 5:59 AM


By Julie O'Connor/The Star-Ledger


Plenty of women have risked their lives alongside men, protesting for freedom across the Middle East. Yet few would have done what Iman al-Obeidi did.

...


What sets her apart is her refusal to be shamed. Unlike the timid, fearful teenager held captive along with her, Obeidi managed to escape, pretending she worked at the hotel in order to reach the journalists under government watch. Gadhafi stooges were quick to smear her as a drunk, mentally ill and a prostitute. A Libyan state TV anchor said comparing Obeidi to a prostitute was insulting to prostitutes because “even a whore feels patriotic about Libya.”


Shame is a powerful means of censoring victims, particularly in the Middle East. Women in the United States sometimes hesitate to accuse their attackers, too. But they’re generally encouraged to report sexual assaults. In the Middle East, victims are routinely blamed, said Nadya Khalife, a researcher for Human Rights Watch in Beirut. It’s a cultural dark side spotlighted by the recent presence of nternational journalists.

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It was especially remarkable that Obeidi managed to turn the cultural stigma of shame back against the Libyan regime, since she is not an outsider. To do so, she had to directly confront her own society and a ruthless dictator, with no means of escape. In one day, she went from being a regular citizen to an international firebrand for women’s rights.

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So, who is shamed now?


http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2011/04/a_reversal_of_shame_in_libya.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 06:55 AM
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47. Ajdabiyah: Fighting going on, some pockets of Gaddafi forces and snipers in city--Al Jazeera
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from Ajdabiya, says fighting is going on, mainly at the western side of the city.

"We're seeing plumes of smoke and constant shelling ... There are pockets of Gaddafi's forces in the city."

She said she'd been told that there were patients in a hospital who appeared to have been shot by sniper fire.

She described the city as something of a "ghost town" as not many civilians are left in the city. Many have fled eastwards to the opposition stronghold of Benghazi.

13:09pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:10 AM
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48. African Union mediators have left Mauritania for Libya to attempt to negotiate a ceasefire
AJ reports:

Presidents Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz of Mauritania, Amadou Toumani Toure of Mali, Denis Sassou Nguesso of Congo and Jacob Zuma of South Africa, left mid-morning, travelling separately to Tripoli, then Benghazi.

"They have just left, each in his own plane," a Mauritanian official told AFP.

Meanwhile, Nabila Ramdani, a French journalist and Middle East expert,told Al Jazeera that she was questioning the AU's involvement in mediation.


Unfortunately, my view about the African Union is that it will appear as not being a credible group of people to be in a position to broker a deal on behalf of (Muammar) Gaddafi.

"They're a group of dictators themselves and they won't be taken very seriously given that they're from very brutal regimes which are in many ways far worse than the Gaddafi regime."



12:41am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10


Bad timing for Zuma, too, with a new report out today on South Africa's arms sales to Gaddafi (Post #40).





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:23 AM
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49. Why right-wing, ultranationalist Serbs love Qaddafi
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:44 AM
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50. Reporters Detained in Libya Remain in Government Custody


By Max Fisher

Apr 10 2011, 7:47 AM ET


Five days after being detained by Libyan troops, four journalists, including a freelance reporter who works for The Atlantic, are missing but believed to be in government custody. Libyan government officials say they will be brought to Tripoli, according to Western journalists in that city.

Clare Morgana Gillis, a U.S. citizen who has been writing as a freelancer for TheAtlantic.com and USA Today, was detained along with James Wright Foley, also American and a writer for GlobalPost; Spanish photographer Manuel Varela de Seijas Brabo; and South African photographer Anton Lazarus Hammerl. On Thursday evening, CNN's Nic Robertson and others in Tripoli reported that the Libyan government had acknowledged that the four journalists are in their possession. Reports indicate that the journalists are en route to Tripoli, but these accounts cannot be confirmed.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/04/reporters-detained-in-libya-remain-in-government-custody/237051/





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:36 PM
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77. Gaddafi regime 'minders' take press apparently to meet the 4 journos--then cancel the trip
AP reported that diplomats in Libya are still waiting for word that the reporters are all in Tripoli and ready to be released. The Gaddafi regime added more confusion when, after it looked like there was to be a big 'reveal,' the plans suddenly changed.

According to AP:


On Sunday morning a group of foreign journalists reporting from Tripoli were taken by government minders, apparently to meet the four journalists. The trip was canceled with no explanation.






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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:47 AM
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51. k&r
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 07:57 AM
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52. World War Two graves testify to past bloodshed in Libya


Source: Reuters





World War Two graves testify to past bloodshed in Libya


Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:34am GMT


* Libyan towns fought over once more

* World War Two dead lie in Libyan sands

* Rommel's Afrika Korps against the Desert Rats



By Angus MacSwan

TOBRUK, Libya, April 10 (Reuters) -

...

A total of 3,651 soldiers, mostly from Britain, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa lie in the Knightsbridge War Cemetery near Acroma, 25 km west of Tobruk.

...


Towns and cities like Brega, Ajdabiyah and Benghazi were also fought over by the Axis army led by General Erwin Rommel -- the Desert Fox -- and British and Commonwealth forces.

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Many families and military men have visited the site over the years although that has stopped since the uprising against Gaddafi started in February, caretaker Hanish said.


He said the cemetery was respected by all in the area and the fact the cross had never been desecrated showed that hardline Islamists were not at large in the area.


Asked what he thought about war and its human cost, he paused then said: "It depends. If war is for freedom, it is good. If not, it's bad."


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73905220110410?sp=true







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:18 AM
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53. BREAKING: Opposition fighters have pushed Gaddafi forces out of Ajdabiyah--AJ
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton just gave a live report, said Gaddafi forces were pushed out the W. gate and revolutionary fighters "managed to clear out those pockets of Gaddafi forces" in the city.

There were about 11 killed yesterday, mostly by machine gun fire, and 1 opposition fighter shot himself when he was surrounded, rather than be captured by govt. troops. So far, he is hanging on. About two were killed today, and all the wounded have been evacuated to Benghazi because the hospital at Ajdabiyah "is very lacking in supplies."

Reports of more heavy shelling and gunfire at Misrata. Al Jazeera has a camera there and will have fottage available later.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:31 AM
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54. Al Jazeera's earlier report from Ajdabiyah while the fighting was still going on:
I think this report was given about 2-3 hours earlier than the report described above. Correspondent Sue Turton reports from Ajdabiya as shelling can be heard in the background:

Watch at AJE...

14:25pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10

OR on YouTube:

Gaddafi forces shell Ajdabiya (2:37):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4l5HEcY9rQ&feature=player_embedded





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 08:50 AM
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55. Suspend relations with Libyan embassy, protesters urge Canada
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 08:54 AM by pinboy3niner



Suspend relations with Libyan embassy, protesters urge Canada


Postmedia News


April 10, 2011 6:42 AM


OTTAWA — About two hundred people gathered on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Saturday to demand Canada suspend relations with the Libyan embassy.

Draped in Libyan flags and holding signs reading “Time for democracy in Libya” and “Stop killing Libyan kids,” demonstrators listened to speakers denouncing Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and calling for Canada to join France, Italy and Qatar in formally recognizing the opposition movement’s Transitional National Council as the government of Libya.


About 200 people had assembled by early afternoon, with organizers saying they expected another three busloads of people from Toronto.

...


http://www.canada.com/Suspend+relations+with+Libyan+embassy+protesters+urge+Canada/4591028/story.html#ixzz1J7yCtAW9








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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:25 AM
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118. K/R
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:04 AM
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56. Libya pledges constitution but Gaddafi role unclear


Source: Reuters





Libya pledges constitution but Gaddafi role unclear


Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:46am GMT


By Maria Golovnina


TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Libya sought to showcase a reform-friendly face on Sunday, saying it was preparing a new constitution to promote a "Libyan version" of democracy.


Officials could not explain what role leader Muammar Gaddafi might assume in the new system and when it might be enforced.

...


On Sunday, officials made a point of gathering foreign journalists after midnight to declare their commitment to a new constitution and broader political reforms.


"We hope it will be adopted very soon," said Khaled Kaim, a deputy foreign minister. "There are people who are not interested in political reform ... They want power and wealth and not the constitution."


Mohamed Zwai, head of the General People's Congress, said the draft was ready and would be examined soon.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE73905H20110410







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:40 AM
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58. NATO airstrikes outside Ajdabiya destroyed 25 tanks earlier today, the alliance reports
A Reuters correspondent also said he had seen at least 15 charred bodies lying next to bombed armoured vehicles in the aftermath of the strikes.

4:14pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:51 AM
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59. At least 12 anti-Gaddafi fighters were killed in fighting for Ajdabiya over the weekend, says Reuter
Doctors in the city's main hospital told Al Jazeera's Sue Turton that 11 were killed yesterday.

4:18pm
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:55 AM
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60. Demoralised Libyan rebels bemoan lack of heavy arms
AJDABIYAH, Libya, April 10 (Reuters) - Demoralised Libyan rebel Badr Awad sheltered in an alley while his comrades exchanged gunfire with Muammar Gaddafi's forces in the distance.

"We fire rocket propelled grenades and AK-47s and they fire rockets and artillery. How can we defeat them?" he asked, as flies swarmed around a piece of bread and stale meat donated by civilian sympathisers hoping the ragtag rebels will end Gaddafi's 41-year rule.

As Awad spoke, a dozen rebel vehicles sped through the eastern town of Ajdabiyah, under heavy assault from better equipped Gaddafi loyalists.

"This is the worst time for us ever. It has become very difficult. We have no chance unless we get heavy weapons like Gaddafi's men," he said, echoing a constant refrain of rebels frustrated by the refusal of Western powers to arm them.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7390B320110410?feedType=RSS&feedName=libyaNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FAfricaLibyaNews+%28News+%2F+Africa+%2F+Libya+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher&sp=true

Depressing. I hope there is a political solution soon.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:26 AM
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119. K/R
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 09:57 AM
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61. NATO web site
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 10:13 AM by tabatha
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/71679.htm




“We are hitting the Regime logistics facilities as well as their heavy weapons because we know Gaddafi is finding it hard to sustain his attacks on civilians”, said the Commander. “One recent strike cratered the road leading to Ajdabiya, west of Brega, where his fuel and ammunition is being moved forward on large trucks. Further west we hit two more storage bunkers where the ammunition is coming from.”
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:03 AM
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62. Reuters: Libyan refugees tell of region suffering in silence
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 10:07 AM by al bupp
Libyan refugees tell of region suffering in silence

By Tarek Amara

DEHIBA, Tunisia | Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:40pm BST

(Reuters) - Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces are shelling homes, poisoning wells and threatening to rape women in a remote mountain region, out of sight of the outside world, said people who fled the area.

The violence in the Western Mountains region, a sparsely-populated area reached only by winding roads, has received little of the international attention given to attacks on cities on the coast such as Misrata and Ajdabiyah.

But residents who escaped the region in the past three days, loading suitcases and mattresses onto their cars and driving across the border into Tunisia, said they were subject to a campaign of terror.

They now want their story to be heard.


Cross-posted to LBN.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:23 AM
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63. Translated: A Comprehensive report of all the events in the city of Misratah April 9th
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 10:54 AM
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66. sunduq edunia - out of the box
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:05 AM
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67. K&R. nt.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:37 AM
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70. AP photographer missing in Libya


In this undated photo, Associated Press photographer Altaf Qadri poses in Dhemaji, Assam, India. Qadri, an award-winning AP photographer, went missing while covering the conflict in Libya, the news agency said Sunday, April 10, 2011. Qadri became separated from his colleagues near the eastern Libyan city of Ajdabiya while on assignment Saturday according to the AP. (AP Photo)
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AP photographer missing in Libya


Associated Press


April 10, 2011, 10:48AM


NEW YORK — An award-winning Associated Press photographer covering the conflict in Libya is missing, the news agency said Sunday.

Altaf Qadri became separated from his colleagues near the eastern Libyan city of Ajdabiya while on assignment Saturday, according to the AP.

"We have lost contact with our AP colleague, photographer Altaf Qadri, in eastern Libya. We are concerned about his safety and are taking appropriate steps to locate him," the agency said in a statement.

Qadri, 35, won a World Press Photo award this year for his poignant photograph of relatives mourning over the body of a man killed in a shooting by Indian police in Indian-controlled Kashmir.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/7515489.html





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:29 PM
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91. good news via tweet
DJ_Music‎ RT @linedbasit: Missing Kashmiri photojournalist in Libya is safe and has made contact, his collegues in #AP say. #Kashmir #Libya.
Twitter - 11 seconds ago
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:51 PM
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98. That's great news!
The four NYT journalists came very close to being killed by their captors, and that danger is always there.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:49 AM
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71. Libyan rebels say NATO airstrikes help them hold Ajdabiyah



Source: AP





Libyan rebels say strikes help them hold town


By SEBASTIAN ABBOT and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press – 20 mins ago


AJDABIYA, Libya – Libyan rebels said NATO airstrikes on Sunday helped them drive Moammar Gadhafi's forces out of a hard-fought eastern city that is the gateway to the opposition's stronghold.


Four airstrikes largely stopped what had been heavy shelling of Ajdabiya by government forces, rebel battlefield commander and spokesman Col. Hamid Hassy said. NATO's leader of the operation said airstrikes Sunday destroyed 11 tanks near Ajdabiya and another 14 near Misrata, the only city rebels still hold in the western half of Libya.


Hassy said Gadhafi's forces fled the western gate of Ajdabiya and by mid-afternoon had been pushed back about 40 miles (60 kilometers) west of the city. Sporadic shelling, however, could still be heard in the area of western Ajdabiya.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110410/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_libya







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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:56 AM
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72. Good
Maybe NATO is getting the message that they're being watched.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 11:57 AM
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73. Algerian officials deny that mercenaries from the country are reinforcing Gaddafi's troops

Algerian officials deny that mercenaries from the country are reinforcing Gaddafi's troops, after opposition fighters said they captured 15 Algerian fighters during yesterday's fighting in Ajdabiya.

The foreign ministry "categorically denies in the strongest terms any implication that Algeria is involved in this alleged mercenary operation," its spokesman Amar Belani told AFP.

6:16pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:00 PM
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74. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 7 PM SUNDAY, APRIL 10
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:25 PM
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75. FACTBOX-NATO military operations against Libya's Gaddafi
* Gaddafi's forces forced their way inside Ajdabiyah early on Sunday in their most determined assault on the strategic eastern town for at least a week. But by early afternoon the rebels looked back in control and seemed to have cleared the town. They commanded key intersections and fired six rockets towards the west.

* NATO aircraft hit six vehicles carrying Libyan government soldiers during an assault on Ajdabiyah on Sunday, killing at least 15. The strikes appeared to have helped break an assault by Gaddafi forces on the town, a strategic town 150 km (90 miles) km south of the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

* NATO said its forces destroyed 17 tanks belonging to Gaddafi's forces on Friday and early Saturday -- 15 near the western city of Misrata, and two south of Brega.

* NATO's commander of Libyan operations said on Saturday the alliance had destroyed "a significant percentage" of Gaddafi's armoured forces in the previous 24 hours.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE7390G020110410?sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:40 PM
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78. Former Libyan Ambassador speaks out

Former Libyan Ambassador to Washington Ali Aujali, who resigned his position over a month ago, is speaking out in support of the rebels. (April 10) (/CBS News)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/former-libyan-ambassador-speaks-out/2011/04/10/AFHT1tDD_video.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 12:53 PM
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79. Update on the African Union mission to Libya from Al Jazeera:
AU leaders are “seeking Tripoli’s cooperation” in reaching Benghazi tomorrow, our correspondent tells us -but it's unclear if or when they will make it to the anti-Gaddafi stronghold.

South African president Jacob Zuma is on a separate schedule to the others, and sources tell us he may return home tomorrow.

We'll keep you updated...

6:58pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:09 PM
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81. I don't hold out much hope.
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 01:09 PM by tabatha
Gaddafi has bought and paid for all the leaders of Africa, including South Africa. (Much like the Koch brothers have bought and paid for a bunch of politicans.)

If Africa’s leaders held their peers to account there would be no need for the people of Libya to suffer human rights violations,” said founder of the Desmond Tutu Peace Centre, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu. “And there would be no need for United Nations sanctioned military interventions in Libya.

Instead, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has for more than 40 years honed his skills in the art of resource management to win friends and influence people. And as a result, Africa seems powerless to stop him.

“The scenes of brutality being meted out with sophisticated weaponry by Libyan security forces against their own civilian population make God weep. With every blow they strike, each human rights abuse they perpetrate, they bring shame on Africa,” Archbishop Tutu said.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201103210790.html


Tutu knows Africa and its leaders. He calls a spade a spade.



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:39 PM
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84. Same here
I just posted AJ's update from Anita McNaught in Tripoli. She summed up the real sticking point--what makes the two sides irreconcilable--perfectly:


"The Tripoli side won't negotiate without Gaddafi and the Benghazi side won't negotiate with Gaddafi in the picture."


The opposition will never give in on that point. To have Gaddafi--or any of his family--involved in the transition would not only be offensive, it would be dangerous.

The only possibility for a political solution is for Gaddafi to accept safe passage and leave.





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:22 PM
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82. Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught reports on the AU delegation to Libya (3:25):
Watch at AJE...

7:37pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10


...OR on YouTube:

AU delegation heads to Tripoli (3:25):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wFi5jgdhtI&feature=player_embedded#at=45


And McNaught sums up the situation perfectly:


"The Tripoli side won't negotiate without Gaddafi and the Benghazi side won't negotiate with Gaddafi in the picture."










http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:36 PM
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83. Libya: "Sick People Needed to Get Out, and We Got Them Out" - MSF
A few days ago the decision was made to organize a medical evacuation, or Medevac, of patients from Misrata in Libya—where medical facilities have been overwhelmed due to the ongoing violence—to neighboring Tunisia. The hospital in Misrata has been closed for several days due to heavy shelling, while the remaining functioning clinics have been overflowing with severely injured patients and are running desperately short of medical supplies.

We worked out pretty quickly that the best way to do the Medevac would be by boat, so we chartered a fast passenger ferry called the San Pawl. We spent a couple of days preparing the craft, stripping it of most of its seats, laying plastic sheeting down, putting mattresses in and tying ropes up for IV lines. Our idea was that it would be a basic, floating ambulance to get the wounded out as quickly as possible.

From Tunisia, we sailed with two MSF nurses, two MSF doctors, and a small team of Tunisian volunteers. It was a straightforward journey there, until we got within 20 nautical miles of Misrata, where we had to wait for around seven hours before we got the go-ahead. When that came through, we were off.

Before we could load up the patients, we had to offload the cargo. We had with us about six and a half tons of much-needed medical supplies, including 300 surgical kits—enough to perform 1,000 surgical operations—as well as drugs, sterilization materials, and intravenous fluids. We got them unloaded and then started to carry patients in on stretchers from the dock. There were burn victims, people with open fractures, and a variety of other injuries. Time was of the essence here, as we really needed to be back out in international waters before the sun went down.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=5165&cat=voice-from-the-field
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:39 PM
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85. Tweets
NPSusa‎ RT @UnitedUniverse: RT @Telegraph: #Libya: #Nato launches fresh attack in boost for rebels
Libya: Nato launches fresh attack in boost for rebels - Telegraph‎ - telegraph.co.uk
Twitter - 1 minute ago

AntaReportNews‎ RT @OnlyOneLibya: By bringing back the internet to Free parts of #Libya we will have our voices back, we'll have the revolution back, not just the war.
Twitter - 4 minutes ago

inaasd‎ RT @thicken86: several more snipers turn themselves in today in #Misrata as their supply lines seem to be dwindling #libya #feb17
Twitter - 22 seconds ago

inaasd‎ RT @thicken86: Revs in #Misrata launched an assault on #gaddafi forces pushing them further out of the city. seal off city center and port #libya #feb17
Twitter - 26 seconds ago
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 01:57 PM
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86. Another side of Libya, where the war seems far away

Source: McClatchy Newspapers





Another side of Libya, where the war seems far away


By Nancy A. Youssef


Published: Sunday, Apr. 10, 2011 - 11:13 am


CYRENE, Libya — To cover the war in liberated eastern Libya is to spend a lot of time speedily headed somewhere: fleeing the front line as soon as it's collapsed, moving toward a safe city, hurriedly going in and out of Egypt toward the news of the day.


...


The road out, however, is among the most peaceful Libya has to offer, filled with verdant mountains and 2,600-year-old ruins so accessible that we climbed on them as though they were monkey bars at a children's playground. Here's where Libya's long Italian occupation began and ended.


I felt as if I were being let in on a secret, a treasure only a few have had a chance to see during my lifetime because of Gadhafi's rule.

...


The liberated east is covered with anti-Gadhafi graffiti, but there's only one spot among the ruins that's littered with modern-day wall art, and it has nothing to do with the war. In the back of the cities is a cave, a nook where Libyan lovers meet for secret rendezvous, and to record their love: Fatma loves Saleh. Salem and Salwa are a couple, it seems.

...


"We have everything in this country: mountains, water, oil. We only have one problem: Gadhafi," he announced at every stop.

...


At the end of the day, Suleiman, a 26-year-old Libyan far wiser than his years, turned to me and said: "That is the best time I have had here in months."


http://www.sacbee.com/2011/04/10/3542327/another-side-of-libya-where-the.html#ixzz1J9DKMA8E







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:01 PM
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87. Egypt: "The victory of the Revolution shall be achieved by Preserving human rights and not by repeal
Source:
Egyptian Center for Women's Rights

(Cairo, April 7, 2011) The Egyptian Center for Women's Rights and the Egyptian Coalition for Civil Education and Women's Participation follow up the regressive calls for repealing the social laws in Egypt such as the personal status code and the children’s code in a great worry. These codes were previously amended in order to guarantee the rights of human-beings, including women and children. Those amendments did not reach the extent of an approval of the rights of women and children as fully eligible citizens. This matter needs a social discussion that aims at achieving the principles of human rights for which the Egyptian people lead by young men and women were calling for in the 25th of January Revolution.

We assure that such calls for repealing laws come in the course of distorting the Egyptian Revolution and its principles. Such voices found a chance to distort the revolution and ruin its social gains instead of developing the society socially and economically and instead of taking into account the issues of educational and legislative reform, including the victory of the revolution.

We are calling on the military council, the transitional government, all concerned people and civil organizations in Egypt to take a clear stance against such regressive powers and to assure the principles of democracy and human rights.

http://www.wluml.org/node/7077
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:04 PM
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88. WRAPUP 5-NATO air strikes help break attack on east Libya town
AJDABIYAH, Libya, April 10 (Reuters) - NATO aircraft destroyed Libyan tanks on the outskirts of Ajdabiyah on Sunday, helping to break a major assault by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi on the strategic rebel town.

NATO said it had hit 11 tanks outside Ajdabiyah, which Gaddafi's troops had earlier threatened to overrun, and 14 more on the outskirts of Misrata, a lone rebel bastion in western Libya which has been under siege for six weeks.

...

"NATO has to do this to help us every single day. That is the only way we are going to win this war," said 25-year-old rebel Tarek Obeidy, standing over the bodies.

The rebels, who have long complained about what they see as an ineffective NATO response to government attacks, applauded a more muscular approach over the weekend.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73900520110410?sp=true
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:19 PM
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89. Gaddafi’s soldiers occupied Ajdabiya for just 24 hrs.--13 civilians were killed, 12+ injured
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton, reporting from Abdajiyah:


Gaddafi’s soldiers occupied Ajdabiya for just 24 hours. In that time doctors here say 13 civilians were killed and more than a dozen injured.

More loss of life in a city that has borne the brunt of this constantly shifting frontline.







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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 12:27 AM
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120. K/R
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:19 PM
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90. NAPLES, 9 April – NATO forces
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 02:20 PM by tabatha
NATO aircraft struck ammunition stockpiles of the Libyan Government east of Tripoli that were being used to resupply forces involved in shelling innocent civilians in Misrata and other population centers. “In addition to hitting their supplies, our aircraft successfully destroyed a significant percentage of the Libyan Government’s armoured forces,” said Lieutenant-General Charlie Bouchard, the Commander of Operation Unified Protector. “Some of these armoured forces also were involved in the indiscriminate shelling of Misrata. By eliminating these heavy weapons, we are reducing the Gaddafi Regime’s ability to attack the local population.”

NATO’s and its Partners’ mission is to prevent and protect the civilians of Libya. Troops that are intent on attacking civilians and civilian population centres will be targeted. “We struck armoured vehicles that continue to fire on civilians in the vicinity of Misrata and Ajdabiya in the East,” added the Commander. “In one particular strike near Misrata, our pilots observed Regime forces loading armoured vehicles onto equipment transporters to be taken forward into population centres. NATO pilots, observing many troops around the transporter, first engaged a tank concealed along a nearby hedge line. This strike destroyed the tank and forced the nearby troops to flee, allowing the second strike to destroy other vehicles with minimal loss of life. We will not always be able to limit loss of life but Regime forces should understand that if they continue to operate these vehicles and follow orders to attack their own people they will be targeted.

NATO continues to observe the use of civilians as human shields by Gaddafi forces. “We have observed horrific examples of Regime forces deliberately placing their weapons systems close to civilians, their homes and even their places of worship,” said Lieutenant-General Bouchard. “Troops have also been observed hiding behind women and children. This type of behaviour violates the principles of international law and will not be tolerated.”

NATO will continue to strike any forces that place in jeopardy the lives of the Libyan people, as mandated by the UN Security Council Resolution 1973.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_72192.htm
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:31 PM
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92. CNN: No anouncements after first meeting with African delegation
The news network reports:


At the conclusion of the meeting at his compound in Tripoli, Gadhafi made a rare public appearance for international media before riding off in a car as he waved to supporters near his tent.

The leader then entered a second meeting with the delegation.


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/10/libya.war/





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:44 PM
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93. NATO Warplanes Destroy Tanks, Supply Routes in Libya's Ajdabiya, Misrata

Soource: Bloomberg





NATO Warplanes Destroy Tanks, Supply Routes in Libya's Ajdabiya, Misrata


By Peter S. Green - Apr 10, 2011 11:16 AM PT


NATO warplanes destroyed dozens of Libyan government tanks around the embattled cities of Ajdabiya and Misrata, as South African president Jacob Zuma arrived in the capital of Tripoli for cease-fire talks.


Airstrikes blew up 11 tanks belonging to forces loyal to Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi as they approached Ajdabiya today, and 14 more were hit earlier on the outskirts of Misrata. NATO strikes also left craters in the road used by Qaddafi to resupply troops shelling Ajdabiya, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization said.


“The situation in Ajdabiya, and Misrata in particular, is desperate for those Libyans who are being brutally shelled by the regime,” Lieutenant General Charles Bouchard, the Canadian officer commanding NATO operations over Libya, said in a statement. “We are hitting the regime logistics facilities as well as their heavy weapons because we know Qaddafi is finding it hard to sustain his attacks on civilians.”

...


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-10/nato-warplanes-destroy-tanks-supply-routes-in-libya-s-ajdabiya-misrata.html







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:56 PM
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100. Libya: Nato launches fresh attack in boost for rebels
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8441559/Libya-Nato-launches-fresh-attack-in-boost-for-rebels.html">Libya: Nato launches fresh attack in boost for rebels
The strikes were designed to counter an assault by the dictator whose soldiers carried out sustained shelling and artillery attacks over the weekend.

Coalition aircraft targeted Gaddafi troops outside Ajdabiya, in eastern Libya and Misurata, the only rebel held town in the west, which has been under siege for six weeks.

The strikes came as a delegation of African leaders arrived in Tripoli to try and persuade Gaddafi to halt the violence being meted on his own people.

Jacob Zuma of South Africa and Denis Sassou Nguesso of Congo were among those who flew to the capital and plan to go on to the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:44 PM
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94. Rebels tell of terror under Gadhafi's rule
'A CELEBRATION' OF EXECUTIONS

In 1977, “Gadhafi invented something called ‘people power’ … (and) the tragedy of the Libyan people began,” says Abdel Hafeth Ghoga, a human rights lawyer and deputy head of the rebels’ ruling national council.

“The executions against all the opposition began, whether they were students, professors … technocrats and intellectuals,” or soldiers who refused to join in the killing.

Executions were held in streets and public locations — including Garyounis University, the seaport, the main square and a sports stadium in Benghazi — or telecast live and turned into “a celebration,” according to Ghoga.

“Even in Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, there were live executions on television,” he says.

Read more: Rebels tell of terror under Gadhafi's rule - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_731603.html#ixzz1J9RMzY1u
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:46 PM
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96. Same article
Ruhi says the soldiers peppered him with questions while recording his answers. “‘Do you swear? Do you drink? Do you smoke hashish? Do you rape your sister?’ You have to say yes,” he recounts. “They like to show that on Libya television.

“Two girls and one old woman had to strip in front of everyone, even in front of their father. They took the two naked girls to a car. I didn’t see them after that.”

Throughout the ordeal, Ruhi “was wondering if my family would know if I died."

“Sometimes I am still just stunned by what they did to me,” he says. “I just want to show the people who don’t know Moammar what Moammar can do.”

Read more: Rebels tell of terror under Gadhafi's rule - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_731603.html#ixzz1J9Rt3hrd
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 02:56 PM
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99. Al Jazeera: Bernard-Henri Levy... has returned to the city of Benghazi
9:23pm (GMT +2)

Bernard-Henri Levy, French philosopher and journalist, has returned to the city of Benghazi.

He says he has returned in order to continue his "work of free spirit" and promote the vision of the pro-democracy leaders.

He spoke with Al Jazeera's Laurence Lee.

See the video at: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-10

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:13 PM
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101. Photographer John Moore on 'Epic' Libya Battles, Arab World Revolutions
http://www.vimeo.com/21372525

Photographer John Moore is no stranger to combat. As a member of an Associated Press team in 2005, he shared a Pulitzer Prize for breaking news photography for coverage of the war in Iraq and he's done extended stints in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, South Africa, Mexico and Nicaragua and elsewhere in the last 20 years.

Yet despite his relative comfort with being on the frontlines, Moore told the NewsHour from his hotel room in Cairo that his latest assignment -a six-week trip that took him to the uprisings in Egypt, Bahrain and Libya - might have been his most dangerous. Moore recorded the interview for us after sneaking out of Benghazi, Libya en route back to his home in Denver.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:17 PM
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103. Thanks for this, will go in day 53.
:hi:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:16 PM
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102. Libya Live TV - if you understand Arabic
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 03:26 PM by tabatha
http://www.livestation.com/channels/125-libya-tv-arabic

Awesome quality and graphics - I wonder if they are being funded/assisted by Qatar.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:20 PM
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104. 5 Russian Journalists Detained and Fed Cookies in Libya (by the revos holding them, lol)

Source: The Moscow Times





5 Russian Journalists Detained and Fed Cookies in Libya


10 April 2011


Libyan rebels detained five journalists from Komsomolskaya Pravda and NTV television for 11 hours — but released them after a snack of cookies.


The Russians were stopped while attempting to travel to the south of the conflict-torn country, Komsomolskaya Pravda journalist Dmitry Steshin said. The region receives little attention from war correspondents because most fighting is taking place in the northern part of Libya, but the Russians wanted to investigate reports about forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi bombing oil fields there, Steshin said in a report on his newspaper's web site.

...


During their 11 hours in custody, the Russians were questioned by unidentified rebels who apparently suspected them of being Belarussian mercenaries looking to cross the front line to join Gadhafi, Steshin said. Ironically, Komsomolskaya Pravda was one of the first media outlets to report about the possibility of Belarussian mercenaries joining forces with Gadhafi.


The journalists were treated well and offered food and drink, Steshin said. Interfax said they were given a pack of cookies each and allowed to keep their satellite phones.


The rebels released the five late Friday.


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/5-russian-journalists-detained-and-fed-cookies-in-libya/434774.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 03:38 PM
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106. Libya: Britain told US not to intervene in Lockerbie bomber release--The Telegraph (& WikiLeaks)
The Telegraph reports that the British Ambassador to the U.S. told James Steinberg, the US Deputy Secretary of State, that he was "concerned" that the demands of victims' families were unduly influencing US policy, according to to a leaked diplomatic cable obtained byi WikiLeaks and passed to the Daily Telegraph. The cable, dated February 2009, states:



"Sheinwald asked that the US continue to consult with the UK in the possible transfer of ailing Pan Am
bomber Abdel-Basset al-Megrahi from the UK to Libya. Specifically, he said HMG supported the
discussions this week between UK and US officials to define a common strategy.


"Sheinwald cited concern that the Pan Am victims' families were asking for direct US intervention to stop the transfer. He asked that the United States delay "for a few days" any intervention with the Scottish authorities, who will ultimately decide on the transfer."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8441296/Libya-Britain-told-US-not-to-intervene-in-Lockerbie-bomber-release.html





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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:06 PM
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109. "Libya: Government Attacks in Misrata Kill Civilians"--Human Righits Watch





Libya: Government Attacks in Misrata Kill Civilians


Unlawful Strikes on Medical Clinic



April 10, 2011


(Benghazi) - Attacks by Libyan government forces in the western city of Misrata have endangered civilians and targeted a medical clinic in violation of international law, Human Rights Watch said today.


The assessment is based on interviews with two doctors still in Misrata and 17 wounded civilians recently evacuated from the city, which is largely cut off from the outside world by Libyan government forces.


Human Rights Watch called on the Libyan government to allow regular access of humanitarian aid to the city by sea and land, and to permit safe passage for all civilians who wish to leave.


"The Libyan government's near siege of Misrata has not prevented reports of serious abuses getting out," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. "We've heard disturbing accounts of shelling and shooting at a clinic and in populated areas, killing civilians where no battle was raging."


According to Dr. Muhammad el-Fortia, who works at the Polyclinic in Misrata, medical facilities have recorded 257 people killed and 949 wounded and hospitalized since February 19, 2011. The wounded include 22 women and eight children, he said.



A second doctor, interviewed separately, said that hospitals in the city had documented about 250 dead over the past month, most of them civilians. He believed the actual number was higher because many people could not reach medical facilities.


"The fighters know how to protect themselves, but the civilians are getting hurt," he said.

...


Many more details at link:
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/04/10/libya-government-attacks-misrata-kill-civilians







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:24 PM
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112. Libya government accepts African Union panel's roadmap for resolving conflict - Reuters
Edited on Sun Apr-10-11 04:33 PM by tabatha
Wonder what the roadmap is?

http://twitter.com/breakingnews

SAfrica leader says Libya accepts cease-fire plan
By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI Associated Press
Posted: 04/10/2011 12:45:43 AM PDT
Updated: 04/10/2011 02:23:44 PM PDT

TRIPOLI, Libya—South African President Jacob Zuma says Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi has accepted the African Union's "road map" for a cease-fire with rebels.

Zuma and other African leaders traveled to Tripoli to meet Gadhafi on Sunday and will be in the rebel stronghold of Benghazi on Monday to meet leaders of the opposition.

The African Union's road map calls for an immediate cease-fire, opening channels for humanitarian aid and talks between the rebels and the government.

Gadhafi has ignored the cease-fire he announced after international airstrikes were authorized last month, and he rejects rebel demands that he step down.

http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_17813553?nclick_check=1
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 04:57 PM
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113. Qaddafi's Great Arms Bazaar
During his 42 years in power, Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi's unpredictable behavior has become the stuff of legend. But on one issue Qaddafi was remarkably consistent: He was unrelentingly obsessed with purchasing a massive arsenal of weapons from whoever was offering them. As a result, much of Libya resembles one vast arms bazaar -- a museum of curiosities for arms inspectors, and a gallery of horror for those concerned about the safety of civilians. With the collapse of Qaddafi's control in eastern Libya, vast amounts of weapons and munitions are now up for grabs, often to whoever gets there first.

I have been traveling around eastern Libya for most of the past six weeks, since the first days of the regime's collapse, trying to establish a record of the ongoing human rights abuses in the country. Human Rights Watch has been investigating the large-scale killings of protesters by Qaddafi's forces in February, as well as the more recent possible forced disappearance of hundreds of people into the custody of Qaddafi's fighters at the front. Reporting from eastern Libya has been a roller-coaster ride: I have witnessed the euphoria of the uprising's early days, as Libyans celebrated their newfound freedom, to the despair of just a few weeks ago as Qaddafi's forces were once again at the gates of Benghazi. For many in eastern Libya now coming to grips with the limitations of their own untrained and unskilled rebels, the future remains uncertain. For these people, there is no middle ground -- either the rebellion succeeds, or they face certain death if Qaddafi regains control of the East.

And we've been looking at weapons and munitions -- lots of them. These arsenals represent a matter of pressing concern for human rights organizations because in the wrong hands, powerful military weapons can wreak havoc on the civilian population. In 2003, Human Rights Watch researchers deployed all over Iraq to inform U.S. authorities of the massive, unsecured weapons caches that we had found scattered across the country, urging them to secure the stocks. But the U.S. and allied armed forces, too busy looking for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, failed to act. We watched in despair as weapons stocks were looted in places like Baquba, where Saddam's Second Military College had vast supplies of powerful munitions.



http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/08/qaddafi_s_great_arms_bazaar?page=0,0
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-11 05:04 PM
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114. Day 53 here:
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