Meanwhile over in Japan... Fukushima: A 'nuclear sacrifice zone' "...nobody will be going home."

[Thunderstruck]

--cut--

Dr Ramana warned that it would likely take several months without any more setbacks before the crisis can be declared stable.

"What we're seeing is a lot of the systems were taken out during the tsunami and explosions," he added, "The lack of power to circulate the water is a problem, so there aren’t going to be any quick fixes for these things."

Olson also fears that if the core meltdowns get to the groundwater under the plant, "You have an explosive force that is like putting dynamite under the site. The problem is if you get this molten fuel into that water it could cause a steam explosion."

"Since unit two is showing signs of fission happening, the chances of something more catastrophic happening at that site are increasing," Olson added, "People are acting like the worst is over, and that is just not understanding the real issues here as far as the radiological impacts."

--cut--

"The regions the Japanese government has evacuated have been declared to be long-term, and these are regions of several hundred square kilometers and they are finding local hotspots that are further out," Ramana told Al Jazeera, "There is going to be an area around Fukushima that is going to be off-limits for human habitation for decades. The same thing happened with Chernobyl...nobody will be going home."

From Al Jazeera: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/04/20114812554680215.html

[iwishiwas]

1. Unspeakable.

[robdogbucky]

31. Watch this video of Dr. Moret if you have an hour

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1TcBAiHh5s

It is informative to say the least about Fukushima, events leading up to it, yes that is what I said, and what is happening now.

There are folks speaking out, but you can imagine how marginalized they are right now.

Did you know that DU was discovered in the LA drinking water after its exetensive use in Iraq?

There is a great study done in the early years of the Iraq war, called the Aldermaston Report,

Aldermaston Report. Please see pp. 13-14: "Despite many pieces of evidence that the uranium aerosols are long lived in the environment and are able to travel considerable distances, this is the first evidence as far as we know, that they are able to travel thousands of miles. The distance traveled from Baghdad to Reading following the wind patterns implicit in the pressure systems at the time is between 1700 miles and 2400 miles. Although this transport may be hard to believe at first, the regular desert sand events which occur in the UK should teach us that the planet is not such a large affair, and that with regard to certain long lived atmospheric pollutants, no man is an island. This was a lesson first shown graphically and alarmingly by the atmospheric nuclear teasts of the 1960's and the subsequent Strontium-90 in milk, and more recently by the Chernobyl accident…."

I have a PDF of that report, but it won't copy and paste, nor will the link even.



Just my dos centavos

robdogbucky


I will try to solve that techno barrier to share more from that report.

[L0oniX]

33. I'm still envisioning the movie "On the Beach".

Anyone who thinks this is isolatory is either a repuke or living under a rock ....oh silly me ...repukes live under rocks.

[L0oniX]

34. The "intensional nuke war" is a total freak show act.

It is totally improbable that the tsunami was directly manipulated to occur ...however our food sources are going to be contaminated. If it will be enough to cause immediate or long term health problems in the USA is worth immediately investigating and informing the public about it. ...Oh silly me ...why would they bother to inform us panicky people?

[robdogbucky]

35. Did you watch the video?

I don't know if you did, but there was more content to her rant than that little bit of tinfoilery.

Still, one day she might be proven right.

Did you read the excerpt from the Aldermaston report? That puppy is interesting, and that study did not involve Dr. Moret, but she has worked with Dr. Chris Busby before.

Back to Dr. Moret's claims in the first 15 minutes of the video:

There were those mysterious fish deaths prior to 3/11/11, here on the west coast and elsewhere. We know from multiple incidents of whales dying from Naval experiments in the oceans that had to be addressed through environmental lawsuits against same, so the HAARP stuff is not that far-fetched to me. The suits managed an injunction against the Navy for a few months, but the Bushies managed to get that stay of testing lifted and it has resumed unabated.

There is also another technology that she describes, a hacker's computer program that can invade and disable all controls, used by that country in the ME that is our client state, but whose mention gets one sent to a dungeon here. That technology was used by them, which they helped to develop, to disable Iran's nuke processes recently, such as they are.

There were simultaneous shutdowns of reactors at Fukushima during/just after the quake, that had little to do with the eventual disabling of the power to the units from the electrical generators (diesel?) at the site from the tsunami.

I have not watched the whole hour of her, but it is food for thought. Her work on the DU problem worldwide is well-known, and no pays any attention to it, because, well, there are just no demonstrable effects of it evident, nonetheless, DU is doing its work in the jetstreams that flow about our planet.


I will continue to research these issues for the benefit of my fellow DUers, and much to the chagrin of industry shills.



Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. "Unforeseeable."

Chalk another one up for the left.

How many in a row before someone cries "Uncle!"

[sasha031]

3. I can only imagine what kind suffering these poor people are going through

my heart breaks for them...

[femrap]

5. Follow the Jet Stream and you'll see

that lots of this will be in our backyards. It's on its second circling of our globe.

I hate nuclear power and the evil people who developed it....and in particular I hate General Electric....'Brings Good Things to Death.'

[sasha031]

6. I know it has arrived here,

it makes me sick knowing what greed and stinking corporation has done to this once beautiful planet.

[femrap]

20. Mother Nature is

going to get them. These men who run the corporations think they are all powerful....In the blink of an eye, Mother Nature can show them POWER.

If the Madrid Fault decides to burp....Monsanto is headquartered in St. Louis....buh-bye.

I wish it didn't have to be this way.

I so respect and love Mother Nature. She is just about the only happiness I get these days.

[sasha031]

30. oh how I hope she survives along with all the beautiful creatures

[Thunderstruck]

7. That plant is going to spew radioactive materials directly into the jetstream until we have

a thoroughly irradiated air current that steers storm systems that will drop radioactive rain into our fresh water sources.

It's a freaking nightmare and attention to it here in the U.S. is already fading.

[tblue37]

17. Have you ever read

On the Beach, by Neville Chute?

The jet stream is not our friend when radioactivity gets spewed into the air for who knows how long.

[tkmorris]

18. That book haunts me

Even though I initially read it 25 years ago.

[Thunderstruck]

25. Discovery of the Jet Stream

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream

After the 1883 eruption of the Krakatoa volcano, weather watchers tracked and mapped the effects on the sky over several years. They labeled the phenomenon the “equatorial smoke stream.” In the 1920s, a Japanese meteorologist, Oishi Wasaburo, detected the jet stream from a site near Mount Fuji. He tracked pilot balloons, also known as pibals (balloons used to determine upper level winds), as they rose into the atmosphere. Oishi's work largely went unnoticed outside Japan. American pilot Wiley Post, the first man to fly around the world solo in 1933, is often given some credit for discovery of jet streams. Post invented a pressurized suit that let him fly above 6,200 metres (20,300 ft). In the year before his death, Post made several attempts at a high-altitude transcontinental flight, and noticed that at times his ground speed greatly exceeded his air speed. German meteorologist H. Seilkopf is credited with coining a special term, Strahlströmung (literally "jet streaming") for the phenomenon in 1939. (Modern German usage is "Strahlstrom".) Many sources credit real understanding of the nature of jet streams to regular and repeated flight-path traversals during World War II. Flyers consistently noticed westerly tailwinds in excess of 100 mph in flights, for example, from the US to the UK.

So, it was a Japanese weather guy that actually discovered the Jet Stream - from a site near Mount Fuji. Now, that very same Jet Stream has a steady source of highly toxic radioactive particles to saturate it - possibly for thousands of years.

Nice.

[femrap]

21. I'm going to go to a local branch of

a university and talk w/ some of the science profs and see what can be done to somewhat prepare ourselves.

The MSM has been TOLD by TPTB to STFU on this topic. This is the 'wrong kind of fear for the masses.' All fear must be about terrorists or drug lords.

[Arugula Latte]

22. and immigrants and sharks and bedbugs

[femrap]

27. Well....since I live in

Capitol of Bedbugs (Dumfukistan, the former state of Ohio)....they do scare me. It costs a fortune to get rid of them....and the upset to one's life!

I just use common sense and tell them my blood is poison....

:rofl:

[Thunderstruck]

26. Please come back and report to us what they tell, femrap. Could be very

useful to the DU community.

And I agree, the gag has been ordered on the MSM. This is not a controllable fear so we just need to be told all is well and then watch as the media goes dark over Japan.

[femrap]

28. I will most definitely report what I

find out. I just know that this radiation doesn't go away.

I remember when I was a child...(gee, maybe 1959 when I was 6 years old), my grandmother would scream at me: "DON'T EAT THE SNOW....IT IS FULL OF FALLOUT! IT'LL KILL YOU."

I didn't know what fallout was, but damned if I was going to take the chance. She had worked in a laboratory during WW2 and knew a bit of science. Of course, that's when we were doing all the testing in Nevada.

And I remember looking at the snow on the ground very carefully and seeing tiny, tiny black spots. Probably just dirt....but these bits were black as night.

Funny the things one remembers.

Last week we had heavy rains in the Midwest and I read that the Jet Stream was dumping on the Midwest and Appalachia (where I live). I had just washed my car...now it has this light brown water stain on it.

Fuck General Electric and its pathetic nuclear design. I don't mind dying, but if it's GE's fault, that really pisses me off.

GE: 'Brings Good Things to Death.'

[avaistheone1]

29. Please

let us know what you learn. Thank you in advance.

[Poll_Blind]

8. And migratory birds, too. And so many other vectors...

It is very sobering to ponder.

PB

[jpak]

10. and salmon can transport 137-Cs up rivers

n/t

[Poll_Blind]

11. Funny you should mention that, jpak. I live in Oregon and about a week...

...and a half ago or so, I found myself checking the migratory patterns of salmon. Just a really quick search, though, but the map I pulled up showing the salmon moving up the coast to Alaska and then out past the Bering Straight and into Russian and Japanese waters.

Indeed.

PB

[flamingdem]

16. Jpak do you have more information on that? Is there already CS-137 in salmon?

I've searched for information about that.

[jpak]

19. No info yet - but Hokkaido has pink and chum salmon runs

Large areas of the western Pacific off Japan has been contaminated by fallout or discharge from the plant - phytoplankton and zooplankton have fairly high concentration factors for 137-Cs.

If salmon are feeding in those waters, they will concentrated it too.

Pacific salmon die after spawning and would leave large quantities of 137-Cs in spawning streams - aquatic insects would pass it on to birds and bats that would spread it inland. Bears too.

[stevedeshazer]

4. Damn.

:(

[jpak]

9. Yeah - but Fukushima apologists, just like Chernobyl apologists, will call it a wildlife paradise

and other happy horseshit

yup

[Snoutport]

13. (ambient music)"Chernobyl has become a wonderland for two headed ducks and gopherzillas."

[upi402]

12. lol

"you don't know what's going on"
"nuclear is perfectly safe"
blah blah blah


fucking idiots watch too much TV news.
ZERO is the amount of radiation that's safe.

---YES!!!! there's background, can't avoid it... duh!

but there's no way to get rid of waste. no way to prevent the unexpected. no way i can take being flamed by another fucking dupe that tells me nuclear is just fine and dandy.

[Melissa G]

14. Incredibly sad what we are doing to ourselves and this planet. n/t

[ladjf]

15. It is obvious that the human race is too dumb to survive much

longer. nt

[femrap]

23. TSTL.....

Too Stupid To Live! How about a t-shirt with 'U R TSTL'

I'm hoping it is our paradigm that will not survive much longer....Hopefully Cooperation will supersede Competition. If the Mayans/Hopis are correct, this may come about.

If human don't start to realize that Cooperation is the only way to survive, then they are TSTL.

Or maybe it should be 'TSTS'....much better....Too Stupid To Survive.

[felix_numinous]

24. Came across a Darwin quote yesterday

It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change.”
- Charles Darwin

The people who want to deny global changes and listen to propaganda do so at their own peril, in the long run. The people now unplugging from the unsustainable systems have the best chance, IMHO.

My heart goes out to the people of Japan--it is so unfair, they have such a beautiful country. Our Earth is so precious.

[upi402]

32. TV News propaganda is so dangerous

because people will always be easy to fool. But the commons abuse will take us all down - even the aware who think critically and beyond tomorrow's payday.