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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:47 AM Original message |
Truly EPIC EPIC EPIC Democratic Fail |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. The Tea Party will not last long in American Politics. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If we continue to cede ground and assimilate positions, it makes no difference. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I don't know how old you are |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. sorry, I can't buy into your pessimism. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm not by nature a pessimist |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Egypt was under the rule of a Dictator for 30+ years and was completely changed in 2 weeks. |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. And now it is under a military dictatorship. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
83. Things have changed in Egypt. They got rid of the dictator |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. That is a most optomistic spin on Egypt's situation at present. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Well, people said it was optimistic to think they could oust |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. Has it really changed completely? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
104. Tantawi is Mubarak and Mubarak is Tantawi; Bush is Obama and Obama is Bush |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Really? Let me know when the common man's lot is measurably improved there. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
62. That remains to be seen. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. That response suggest |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. Here's a Bay Area term from the eighties: Virtuecrat |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
67. ReturnoftheDjedi, if you can't buy into that pessimism then |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
126. Along with |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
98. Your argument is mind boggling. nm |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
105. I certainly buy it because it's already headed to Asia. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
110. facts speak for themselves |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Well, I learned a hard lesson this morning about |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Maybe we don't feel like ceding the Democratic Party to its current leaders. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Many already did, but I'm not going to roll over and play dead. n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
71. Didn't see it, but if I may ask - |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. No balls |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
106. None of the above. If you want t see what I wrote, I will PM you the link to the thread. n/t |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
119. We had that when Howard Dean was DNC Chair and a thriving Progressive Net Roots.... |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #9 |
122. If you are not organizing locally, |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Democrats have been talking deficit for decades. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Yes, and Clinton had the courage to raise taxes on those who could afford them |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Clinton raised taxes on the wealthy. When is Obama going to do so? n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Clinton Submits Proposal To Balance Federal Budget |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. Deleted message |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
128. Hmmmm? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
87. Clinton "balanced" the budget |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
99. Agree that Pres Obama is willing to reduce the deficit by cutting social programs instead of |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
111. The only "deficit reduction" we need is to tax the RICH & CORPS |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. great post, only thing to realize is the systemic controllers control BOTH parties |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. The Ghost of Barry Goldwater laughs at you. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. But their policy positions live on, voiced by Dem leaders. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. Kinda like the "Know Nothing" party of the 1850's. |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
58. I don't think so. I think we've witnessed the birth of a sort of new party. |
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ReturnoftheDjedi (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. But their numbers are dwindling. In fact, it is in direct response to this loss of power |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
127. I've seen polls indicating their numbers are increasing. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. but they will take us with them. If they were allowed to set the |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. It doesn't need to. |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. When it outlives the corporatists' usefulness much like the DLC, they'll let it die... |
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Mason Dixon (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. do you really believe |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #77 |
114. Pointing out the obvious is racist...huh. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
124. I hope minorities will recognize |
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Magginkat (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. witness the slow death of the GOP? |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
115. The tea party is on its way to becoming the dominant force in American politics |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
117. I keep hearing that, but I don't see it |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
6. furthermore, it's a lie that deficits hurt the economy |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Yes, they do not always hurt the economy |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
45. You say: |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
84. Thank you! |
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SharksBreath (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
97. The argument that should make is that tax cuts for the rich |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Deficits can hurt the economy, and sometimes they can help the economy. Keynes |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
64. Well, |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
107. We wouldn't be in the deficit mess we are in if it weren't for our military |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #107 |
125. You are |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. I agree, Tom. President Obama and most Dems in Congress are failing to frame the argument properly. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. I'd say Reid's "congratulating" Boehner was an act of extreme pusillanimity. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Reid was handed a shit sandwich by the House. He did the best he could with |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
120. We've been hearing that "Harry the Boxer"...or "He did the best he could" crap for years |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. The President does not craft bills, the House does that. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Come now. Yes Congressional leaders have an important - yes constitutional role |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. The President does not craft bills, the House does. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. The President has the bully pulpit. He has the greatest responsibility for framing the argument. |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. The House crafts bills. The President can either sign them or work |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. That doesn't mean he has to sit back and wait 'til the bat-searchlight hits the clouds |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
82. Wipe the drool off your chin.. |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #33 |
112. three posts with the same subject line? |
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RickFromMN (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. I can't think of a single instance where President Obama used the Bully Pulpit. |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
75. he used bully pulpit to sell Libyan 'war' for oil & 'arc of crisis destabilization' as humanitarian |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #34 |
88. To extend the bush tax cuts... |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. the true 3rd rails- the war machine & private banking cartel led by the Fed,& they'll destroy the US |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
22. I lay the blame squarely on Nancy Pelosi and her democratic House leadership |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. Make all reality bend and warp to fit the pre-determined truth that Obama is the brave champion |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
28. Failure by design. |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. He merely |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think the fail was in December, not now |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I was upset then and still am, but... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. RACIST! |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I think Obama's 'deals' with the GOP have emboldened them |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. You are correct! n-t |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. Highly recommend. |
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MacNfries (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
41. Tea Party a farce? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. No THEY are not a farce, they are dangerous |
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libmom74 (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
44. I'm starting to think |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
108. Whether it was "a fail" or not, we the people |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
46. Well stated. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Some case can always be made that spending cuts or tax increases can slow an economy |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. But just a precursory look at the last ten years.... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Of course that argument can be made |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
48. It is more important to our President that he be seen as transcendent and bringing us together |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I agree with you. Well said. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 11:12 AM Response to Reply #48 |
121. Good points. +1 |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think we have our own Bernanke, Summers, Paulson, Geithner kumbaya fest |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. This huge "debt" is the result of |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I wish someone would say that to their face.. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I believe there is an agreement |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Democrats like FDR, or even JFK would have. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
60. Recommend. We are on our own, abandoned, save for the charade. |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
63. It's like feeding bears. Eventually you think you know them and they eat you. |
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stockholmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Man ska inte ropa hej förrän björnen är skjuten(dont celebrate till bear is shot)old Swedish proverb |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R n/t |
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
79. gotta PROVE to the stupids |
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jimlup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
80. Don't worry it is going to get worse. Much worse... |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. And lose tons of votes? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
81. Why is it never the Republicans fault? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
102. OOOOOOH |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
85. Nailed it |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
86. Just the idea of even admitting that the budget deficit is due to anything BUT the military |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. EXACTLY!!! +1000 |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
89. K&R to your OP and replies as well. To.the.point. nt |
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I Drink Water (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
91. Its total insanity. The GOP just hijacked the American people over an inane manufactured crisis. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
95. The folks who made the mess have blamed the ones cleaning it up |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
100. GAWWWWWWWWWD! I WISH IT SAID THAT. NAIL MEET HEAD. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
101. can I fucking say I TOLD YOU SO? |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 05:40 AM Response to Original message |
103. You have lunatics in the room |
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TurningPointTime (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
109. The democrats |
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113. Gotta share this.... |
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116. Big K and R |
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118. The answer is more simple than action: |
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123. Obama is a Republican |
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129. Eventually it had to happen ... but there is a solution to stop it! |
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