Maybe... The Guy With The Sign "Keep Your Government Hands Off My Medicare" Had A Valid Point...

[WillyT]

I guess we're gonna find out this week.

Barack Obama to propose health care cuts
Barack Obama will this week propose cuts in health care provision for the elderly and the poor as he seeks to reach agreement with Republicans on bringing America's record levels of debt under control.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8441448/Barack-Obama-to-propose-health-care-cuts.html?sms_ss=email&at_xt=4da211bc2a8ac8af,0

:shrug:

[patrice]

1. So, do you think a 40-yr-old system needs no reform for fraud, waste, & abuse? nt

[Skittles]

3. LOLOLOL

is THAT what you think "reform" means? OMG. :rofl:

[FLAprogressive]

4. they're falling for it hook line and sinker!

[Skittles]

5. it's sad and pathetic, really but.........

:rofl:

[DJ13]

6. A skilled butcher trims off the fat with ease

An unskilled butcher trims off both the fat and the good meat along with it.

[Skittles]

23. and someone who shouldn't be a butcher

makes it all completely un-eatable

[dflprincess]

7. The article says Obama is proposing cuts in health care for the elderly

no where did it say he was going to save money by going after "fraud, waster and abuse".

It also mentions that he wants to find "common ground" with the Republicans & the only way he'll do that is if he turns his back on those people who depend on Medicare for their access to healthcare.

[physioex]

Sure....

As long as we don't pass it off as a discount program for the insurance companies and extend coverage to everyone.

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[patrice]

9. So, you're saying there is no fraud, waste, & abuse in Medicare, or it doesn't matter that there is?

[chollybocker]

11. Of course there's fraud, waste, & abuse in any system,

like in those countries with Universal Health Care. But the U.S.A. needs to address the forest before the trees. By nature, where Universal Health is instituted, fraud, waste and abuse can be weeded out. But I'm sure the Rick Scotts of the world appreciate your apologism. :eyes:

[patrice]

12. And I am sure that those who will not receive care because of FAT administrative costs &

vendor buddy deals & and staffing-agency cronyism, will appreciate your apologism.

[chollybocker]

20. I urge you to compare all cases of health care denials

due to administrative back logs, waiting lists, and fraudulence in, say, Canada, with the denial of basic health care services due to restrictions, for-profit hospitals and insurance programs, and fraudulence (still!) in the US. I'll let you look it up yourself, cuz I already know this.

[Bigmack]

13. Less than in the private sector health care. nt

[patrice]

14. Do you think that matters to someone who misses getting somekind of care because of the

fraud, wast, and abuse in Medicare?

[Bigmack]

18. OK... glad to say it. Fraud, waste, and abuse in Medicare must stop....

Now that we've got that out of the way, let's deal with what I said. Medicare has less waste, fraud, and abuse than the private sector has..... and MUCH lower admin costs. (I noticed you wrote about FAT admin costs in another post)

Nobody is holding Medicare up as the perfect program, but the RW is fighting to remove it and expand the private sector health care, which has more fraud, waste, abuse, and higher admin costs.

[patrice]

19. Line in the sand: Medicare should not be removed. Reform, real reform, will protect it from

removal, because it will obviate their arguments against it, but more importantly, even if there is one 90 year old lady who gets help with her phantom limb pain, help she would not have received if Medicare weren't reformed, that makes Medicare Reform worthwhile. Part of the problem with "health" "care" in the U.S. is that it is all about the amounts of things rather than the quality of any given thing.

[madrchsod]

17. medicare contracts out to private contracters to ...

administrate the plan and those contractors include insurance companies.

medicare does track down and prosecute fraud,waste,and abuse.

[ProSense]

2. It's like

deja vu!

[patrice]

16. Wow, check it out, all of these so-called "third" party liberals around here don't care thatMedicare

wastes money and, thus, reduces the quality of care.

Hhmmmmmmm . . . .

[cliffordu]

10. I gotta agree...

[INdemo]

15. A typical Republican action ..he wouldn't dare increase the taxes

for the weatlhy..Bush tried to cut medicare and Democrats fought like hell to prevent it..Now we have a so called Democrat that is actually going to get away with it..Obama is not a Democrat ..Why would the Republicans want to challenge him when he is the best Republican candidate they could ever hope for.

[iwishiwas]

21. WHY propose cuts BEFORE you even start talks. No wonder we lose all the time!

[crickets]

22. +1,000

[Keith Bee]

24. Unrec

and fuck off!