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apples and oranges Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:23 PM
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A Lawsuit’s Unusual Question: Who Is a Man?


Mr. Devoureau, who was born physically female, is a man at the Motor Vehicle Commission, at the Social Security office, at home, at job interviews. But what about at the urinal?

In a case with a truly unusual set of factors, Mr. Devoureau filed a discrimination lawsuit on Friday that could break new ground in New Jersey and across the country, turning on the question of who is or is not a man. An employer fired Mr. Devoureau because it said only a man was allowed to do his job: watching men urinate into plastic cups at a drug treatment center.

Mr. Devoureau, 39, says he has identified himself as a man all his life. In 2006, after he began taking male hormones and had sex-change surgery, he adopted the name El’Jai (pronounced like L. J.). A new birth certificate issued by the State of Georgia identifies him as male, as does his New Jersey driver’s license, and the Social Security Administration made the change in its records.

“As long as I’ve been a person, I’ve lived as a man,” he said in an interview. “At age 5, I did everything a boy did: I climbed trees, I played football, I played with trucks. Most of the people in my life, all they know is I’m male.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/nyregion/11sexchange.html

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:26 PM
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1. Mr. Devoureau is a man
It doesn't matter what junk he was born with, he is a man and will continue to be a man
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:36 PM
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2. He's a man and his former employer is a fucking idiot
and that says it all about this case.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 01:38 PM
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3. He look like a man
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 02:27 PM
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4. Perhaps he'll soon be a rich man.
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:13 PM
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6. How Did They Find Out He Wasn't?
It seems like every conceivable trace of "female evidence" has been removed. As far as I can tell, the only way his employer could have found out he was born female would be if they had a blood/DNA test done (not likely) or if this guy TOLD somebody (I don't know the guy, but that seems pretty unlikely too).
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