Democratic observer at Waukesha county canvass was NOT told about "missing" votes.

[gkhouston]

Check this out. The website appears to be genuine. Could one of the WI locals please chime in quickly if it's a hoax, so I can ask the mods to disappear this thread if it's bogus?

Basically, the 80-year-old Dem observer was not told about the Brookfield mess until after the votes were certified and says she doesn't understand computers.

http://www.orchidforchange.com/parties/waukeshadems.com/ht/display/ArticleDetails/i/1343504

[murielm99]

1. Kick.

:kick:

[hlthe2b]

2. Her ACTUAL statement below

Statement & Account of Ramona Kitzinger, Waukesha Board of Canvassers member since 2004:
Monday, April 11, 2011

(Waukesha County Democratic Party)On Tuesday night, I received a voice message from someone in the office of Clerk Kathy Nickolaus informing me of a Wednesday canvass meeting, which I returned the next morning and said I would be able to report into the canvass by noon � which I did. Normally the canvass would begin at 9am on Thursday, as has been the general practice for many years. No one explained why they were beginning the canvass on Wednesday, just to please report immediately.

Before this telephone call, I had not been contacted as the designated Democratic observer, and I saw no public notice of the abnormal canvass time. The phone call simply instructed me to report by noon to begin the canvass, which I did. The canvass then proceeded as normal, with no glaring irregularities or mention of a possible 15,000 vote error in Brookfield City.

On Thursday, I then showed up as per normal procedure at 9am and the canvass again went normally and concluded sometime between 4pm and 5pm. During the course of the day, the issue of minor vote corrections in New Berlin and Lisbon came up, but again nothing of a historic nature or reflecting glaring irregularities. In fact, the matter of vote totals in Brookfield City came up specifically during the course of Thursday�s canvass. In retrospect, it seems both shocking and somewhat appalling there was no mention of discovery of this 15,000 vote �human error� that ultimately had the potential to tip the balance of an entire statewide election. How is this possible?

Once the canvass had been completed and the results were finalized, I was called into Kathy�s office along with Pat (the Republican observer) and told of an impending 5:30pm press conference. It was at that point that I was first made aware of an error Kathy had made in Brookfield City. Kathy told us she thought she had saved the Brookfield voter information Tuesday night, but then on Wednesday she said she noticed she had not hit save. Kathy didn�t offer an explanation about why she didn�t mention anything prior to Thursday afternoon�s canvass completion, but showed us different tapes where numbers seemed to add up, though I have no idea where the numbers were coming from. I was not told of the magnitude of this error, just that she had made one. I was then instructed that I would not say anything at the press conference, and was actually surprised when I was asked questions by reporters.

The reason I offer this explanation is that, with the enormous amount of attention this has received over the weekend, many people are offering my statements at the press conference that the �numbers jibed� as validation they are correct and I can vouch for their accuracy. As I told Kathy when I was called into the room � I am 80 years old and I don�t understand anything about computers. I don�t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused about why the canvass was finalized before I was informed of the Brookfield error and it wasn�t even until the press conference was happening that I learned it was this enormous mistake that could swing the whole election. I was never shown anything that would verify Kathy�s statement about the missing vote, and with how events unfolded and people citing me as an authority on this now, I feel like I must speak up.

[Tatiana]

15. WOW. Many on DU called it.

From Ms. Kitzinger's lack of computer skills to her being silenced at the press conference.

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4. This is a very large change from the impression she gave at the press conference.

I think this is a serious piece of information. She says that she was not aware of the large discrepancy in votes until just before the actual press conference. If this is true, the whole thing looks even more fishy than it did before.

Snip from the statement>

Once the canvass had been completed and the results were finalized, I was called into Kathy�s office along with Pat (the Republican observer) and told of an impending 5:30pm press conference. It was at that point that I was first made aware of an error Kathy had made in Brookfield City. Kathy told us she thought she had saved the Brookfield voter information Tuesday night, but then on Wednesday she said she noticed she had not hit save. Kathy didn�t offer an explanation about why she didn�t mention anything prior to Thursday afternoon�s canvass completion, but showed us different tapes where numbers seemed to add up, though I have no idea where the numbers were coming from. I was not told of the magnitude of this error, just that she had made one. I was then instructed that I would not say anything at the press conference, and was actually surprised when I was asked questions by reporters.

The reason I offer this explanation is that, with the enormous amount of attention this has received over the weekend, many people are offering my statements at the press conference that the �numbers jibed� as validation they are correct and I can vouch for their accuracy. As I told Kathy when I was called into the room � I am 80 years old and I don�t understand anything about computers. I don�t know where the numbers Kathy was showing me ultimately came from, but they seemed to add up. I am still very, very confused about why the canvass was finalized before I was informed of the Brookfield error and it wasn�t even until the press conference was happening that I learned it was this enormous mistake that could swing the whole election. I was never shown anything that would verify Kathy�s statement about the missing vote, and with how events unfolded and people citing me as an authority on this now, I feel like I must speak up.

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[gkhouston]

5. I'd say it's in keeping with Ramona's demeanor at the press conference. She

looked unhappy/disapproving about something, IMO. It does make me wonder what the hell's going on, though.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

8. Yes she did...; especially when asked when she was told

there was a problem.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

6. Rachel just tweeted it - probably legit. n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

7. What a bombshell! Here is her statement from the press conference last Thurs:

10:35 - Nickolaus was asked if the results changed in any other Waukesha election races after the canvass. "The same winners came out. It didn't change the-uh-the outcome of that race" (she seemed nervous in her response)

12:00 - Asked when she discovered the error. "We discovered it yesterday in the process of a canvass". Stammers and stutters when she tells of discovering the problem

13:00 - Nickolaus asked if there was a Democrat in the room. Lots of stammering... "We do have a Democrat and a Republican - one of each". Reporter asks to speak to the Dem. (Ramona Kitzinger).
(Nickolaus rolls her eyes up a bit as if she is thinking...hedges - mumbles "are you comfortable?" to Kitzinger...)

Ramona steps up.

14:00 - Reporter asked Kitzinger when she was told there was a problem. Ramona hesitates and stammers a bit before saying, "Well, I found out after I came in to do the canvass." (She seems a bit awkward saying this. Also she didn't say WHEN after she came in).

Immediately Nickolaus jumps in and takes over, and Ramona stepe back in line. Nickolaus says: "When we go through the canvass process, when we find errors throughout the day we cross em off an make changes to it. Once we verified Brookfield then I knew that we needed to discuss (stammer) the uploading part a little later".

16:30 - Nickolaus states they canvassed from noon to 5 pm then from 9:00 pm worked continuously except for a few breaks and lunch.. Votes were verified late night

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldCVBB-ruKY

[madrchsod]

9. what a piss poor attempt at throwing the election....

[JackRiddler]

10. kick this!

[golddigger]

11. Kicking.

:kick:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

12. Another thread on this topic already -

might as well put all the effort into one thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x867315

[gkhouston]

16. I searched before I wrote my mine. Apparently, they type faster than I spell-check. n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

17. that has happened to me, too

I hate that!

[mazzarro]

13. Wow! Taking advantage of an 80 year old observer

So this is how they intend to cover their diabolical actions! Instructing her not to say anything at the presser and at the same time setting her up with preset question to use her words to back them up!

[jsamuel]

14. my diary looking at some of the funny numbers in Waukesha County

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/11/965916/-Strange-Numbers-from-Waukesha-and-Milwalkee-Conties-on-Supreme-Court-Only-Ballots