Catholic group claimss children raped by priests were ‘homosexual’ participants, not victims

[Playinghardball]

Source: Raw Story
By David Edwards

The anti-gay Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights is going on the attack against "those who are distorting the truth about priestly sexual abuse."

The group bought an expensive full-page ad in The New York Times Monday that places the blames for the church's scandals on "homosexuality, not pedophilia."

And perhaps most shockingly, it also claimed that some children were active participants in the abuse.

"The refrain that child rape is a reality in the Church is twice wrong: let’s get it straight -- they weren’t children and they weren’t raped," self-appointed Catholic League president Bill Donohue wrote in the ad.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/12/catholic-group-says-children-raped-by-priests-were-participants-not-victims/

[KittyWampus]

1. Oh my. That's heaps more abuse on the abused. Shameful.

Does the NYTimes really need to accept this?

[provis99]

2. you know, I don't care that there's no god,

But sometimes I wish there was a devil, so scum like Donahue could roast in hell.

[sakabatou]

3. Lemme get my clue-by-four... with a nail in it.

Blaming the victim is never good, especially children!

[Taverner]

4. What sick fucks they are

Someone should pull that "charity's" tax exemption and all licenses to operate.

They're EVIL with a capital E

[DrDan]

5. this is just sick - what is the difference between these clowns and NAMBLA?

[Webster Green]

13. My first thought as well.

Bill Donohue is a real POS!

[WatsonT]

6. Wow

just wow.

[Hannah Bell]

7. the title of the story misrepresents its content.

"The refrain that child rape is a reality in the Church is twice wrong: let’s get it straight -- they weren’t children and they weren’t raped," self-appointed Catholic League president Bill Donohue wrote in the ad.

"We know from the John Jay study that most of the victims have been adolescents, and that the most common abuse has been inappropriate touching (inexcusable though this is, it is not rape)," he added, referencing a 2004 study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which was funded by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

[truedelphi]

9. Yeah, like let's be sure and be respectful of the

"2004 study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which was funded by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops."

Hardly an independent study. GIGO.

[Hannah Bell]

15. irrelevant. the title misrepresents the content.

[ZombieHorde]

22. I think this line from the article represents the title well...

"The Boston Globe correctly said of the John Jay report that 'more than three-quarters of the victims were post pubescent, meaning the abuse did not meet the clinical definition of pedophilia.' In other words, the issue is homosexuality, not pedophilia," Donohue wrote.

Catholic group claimss children raped by priests were ‘homosexual’ participants, not victims

The line in my reply, along with the lines in your reply, can be summed up by the title of the article.

[Hannah Bell]

24. i don't see "homosexual participants" anywhere in that story. i repeatedly see "victims" though.

the title misrepresents the content.

this quote is used to support the claim of "participants". it doesn't.

"The refrain that child rape is a reality in the Church is twice wrong: let’s get it straight -- they weren’t children and they weren’t raped," self-appointed Catholic League president Bill Donohue wrote in the ad.

"We know from the John Jay study that most of the victims have been adolescents, and that the most common abuse has been inappropriate touching (inexcusable though this is, it is not rape)," he added, referencing a 2004 study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, which was funded by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

[bluestate10]

32. Defending a beast.

Cut any way you want, an attempt to sanitize actions of pedophile priests is evil. BTW, since you are so into putting up a defense, abet weak, for an inexcusable ad, give President Obama a tiny break the next time you're trashing his Presidency.

[Hannah Bell]

35. i'll put you down as one who thinks spin is ok as long as it's *your* cause.

[truedelphi]

8. remember when The Onion did that parody of how the Pope

"Forgave" the altar boys for leading his holiest of priests astray?

And now reality is stranger than satire!

[whathehell]

20. Sorry, but I agree with Hannah....The title is misleading and

the Onion parody simply doesn't fit here...Altar boys are pre-adolescent, not teenagers.

[EC]

10. He should be put in a nursing home.

He just gets weirder and weirder the older he gets...I don't think he should be left to think for himself, he's obviously very confussed and INSANE...

[luvspeas]

12. a very poorly run one would suit him...n/t

[luvspeas]

11. So according to this, if there's grass on the field...

I can't even finish. This is disgusting. To say that because they were teenagers, that makes it somehow OK, is just inexcusable.

[whathehell]

25. No one is saying it's okay...

The molestation of children and adolescents in the catholic

church is abhorrent, but the cause is not helped

by misrepresenting facts.

If you are secure in your position,

then you don't need to "fudge" by calling teenagers

"children", or molestation "rape". There is a difference.

[luvspeas]

29. They are totally saying it's OK...more than OK...

they are saying that they are being persecuted for just doing what comes naturally. If they were not saying it was OK, then why add the line about if the Catholic church was pro-choice, pro-homosexuality, pro-etc, this would not even be an issue. they are 100percent implying that it is OKEY-DOKEY and everyone needs to just leave them alone. POOOOOORRRRR LECHEROUS PERVS.

[whathehell]

36. When I said "Nobdody thinks it's okay", I didn't mean the church

I meant the people on this thread.:eyes:

[LiberalAndProud]

14. As if I needed more evidence

that there is no God ...

[WhiteTara]

16. May they rot in hell for saying such terrible things!

I am sickened by humans.

[Demonaut]

17. someone needs to look in his closet

I'm sure he has a few skeletons

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Even bfore clicking this thread, I **knew** that loony fucking fruitcake nutjob Bill Donohue . . . .

. . . . would be at the forefront of the story.

[LuvNewcastle]

19. So they were just sinful teenagers who

lured priests during times of weakness. That's who the real victims are, folks -- the adult authority figures.

[Arugula Latte]

21. Vile, disgusting, inexcusable!

I can't say what I'd like to see happen to that miserable m@#$^&*f@#$% Bill Donohue ... :grr:

[KamaAina]

23. And so I give you Bill Donohue. Today's Worst. Person. In The World!!!

:grr: :banghead:

[costahawk1987]

26. Shameless mother fuckers straight out of the Dark Ages

You know those bastards would resort to "honor killing" the victims if it were allowed.

[damntexdem]

27. I wonder which circle of hell would be appropriate for these "holy" Joes.

I don't think Dante had enough circles to accommodate folks like these.

[CatholicEdHead]

28. In ultra-conservative Catholic circles the terms are reversed

You use the term pedophile and they automatically put homosexuality as a synonym. I have been corrected by others on other Catholic boards by getting my terms wrong in their eyes. :crazy: :crazy: . That way they can blame the gays and get the priests off the hook.

[Scuba]

30. Blame the vic.

[Bake]

31. Bill Donohue, may you burn in hell with a red-hot poker up your ass for all eternity.

You worthless piece of shit.

Bake

[sarcasmo]

33. More religious hatred.

[mercuryblues]

34. what is the biblical punishment for false witness?

"The refrain that child rape is a reality in the Church is twice wrong: let’s get it straight -- they weren’t children and they weren’t raped," self-appointed Catholic League president Bill Donohue

Ages of the victims,

11-14 ...50.9%
8-10 ....16%
7 and under...6%

72.9% of the victims were 14 years old and under. So yes the majority were legally considered children.

The next group is 15 to 17 year olds, who account for 27.3 percent. Donahue's allegation that they weren't children is false, almost 75% were. I guess he also believes it is impossible to rape a 15 - 17 year olds.


for a breakdown on the incidences

http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/incident4.pdf

The method of the study is flawed, self reporting by the diocese?

approximately 4% of Catholic priests and deacons in active ministry between 1950 and 2002 have been accused of the sexual abuse of a youth under the age of 18.

http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/prev2.pdf

http://www.usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/

[Odin2005]

37. These people are evil MONSTERS, fuck them!

The RCC is a criminal organization.