Al Sharpton and Cornell West face off

[apples and oranges]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8IGywRfdAw&feature=related

Who won?

[FrenchieCat]

1. The "doer" kicked the "talker"'s ass!

[democracy1st]

2. Who's the doer?

[FrenchieCat]

3. Well, let's see.....One of them put his money where his mouth is and ran for President....

[Donnachaidh]

36. yeah, and that run did so much for the economy right?

:rofl: :rofl:

Anything to badmouth Dr. West, because he's not worshipping at the altar :eyes:

[EFerrari]

17. Describing someone who has contributed so much as a talker is pretty pathetic.

It's just that kind of anti-intellectualism that is allowing our schools to be picked off by privateers and the hell with our kids.

[FrenchieCat]

20. Ain't nothing wrong with a talker......

But theories at the end of the day doesn't simply trump practical application.....period.

[EFerrari]

22. Teaching young people is not a theory.

Those are trenches, too.

Speaking to groups of people all over the country, writing books for mass audiences, not theories either.

There are all kinds of trenches in this world. Period.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Dismissing political reality when discussing politics

can only be done in theory.

[EFerrari]

30. No one in that clip dismissed political reality. Certainly West didn't.

[FrenchieCat]

33. Defend him as you might,

he is still a talker and a name caller.

[EFerrari]

35. You are the only one in this situation calling anyone names.

:)

[Cali_Democrat]

4. It's a tie

[Rabblevox]

5. They are both opportunistic hack has-beens. Both be ashamed of that childish tantrum. n/t

[Ramulux]

6. This is one of the greatest things I have ever seen on TV

Al Sharpton obviously does not react well to criticism and turned a simple statement of truth by West into this big personal argument. Sharpton could not even formulate any sort of response to what West said and he just started ranting. Either way, I like seeing some real emotion on TV, everything nowadays is so PG and milquetoast, its not often you see two people get serious all of a sudden.

Cornel West is my fucking hero. The guy has done more to promote liberalism and respect for poor and working families than most could even dream of. Would love to see more of this stuff on cable news.

[apples and oranges]

7. Cornel West is an extremely wealthy academic who makes money trashing capitalism

Can he really relate to real people?

[Paradoxical]

9. Oh yeah? How do you know he's "extremely wealthy"?

[Rage for Order]

12. Are you serious???

Just look at how he's dressed. One cannot be that perfectly coiffed and not have a substantial amount of material wealth.

:silly:

[apples and oranges]

13. Princeton pays him over half a million a year. He's in the top 0.5% of

Americans as far as wealth goes. And that doesn't even include his book income and speaking fees.

[Donnachaidh]

37. and what's the average salary for tenured professors at Princeton?

And btw -- what does Clinton make on HIS book income and speaking fees?

[apples and oranges]

42. Does Clinton rail against evil capitalism?

:shrug:

[Ramulux]

11. I have an idea

Why dont you figure out who he is, what he has done with his life, what his actual beliefs are, what groups and organizations he donates to and volunteers for and then try to formulate an opinion on the guy rather than just lashing out at him illogically.

Check out this video and try to tell me he isn't an amazing human being

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Q6v1xsvcI

[apples and oranges]

14. I don't have a problem with him, I just think he's a hypocrite

whose lavish lifestyle (ironically) depends on promoting a certain point of view. I'd be interested in seeing which charities he donates his millions to.

[Ramulux]

23. Again

Some evidence of this please. He is extremely involved in any number of liberal and progressive activist organizations, groups dedicated to fighting homelessness and poverty, he has dedicated his life to spreading the message of progressivism and getting people to acknowledge the huge amount of suffering going on in this country amongst the poor.

The man walks the walk in a way very few are able to.

[FrenchieCat]

16. Cornel West got personal....called Sharpton a mascot,

which is why Cornel West lost the argument.

[EFerrari]

18. No, he didn't call him a mascot. He described a course of action

that led to being a mascot. He did not say Sharpton was one.

[FrenchieCat]

29. West called Al Sharpton the White House Mascot......

West got personal...

West said...."I worry about you brother, because you can be easily manipulated by those in the White House who do have the interest of the Wall Street oligarchs and corporate Plutocrats, in you being the public face, you could be another Black mascot...."

Sharpton responded...."As you saw in that film, I'm the one at the labor rallies, and doing the marching...you just saw that....while a lot of people are sitting around inside of their ivory tower, talking....."

that conversation starts at 2:11 in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HEqEQl4-Hs

[EFerrari]

31. No, he didn't. He was talking about Obama anyway, not about

Sharpton. Go listen again.

ETA: "And Barack Obama ends up being another black mascot."

[FrenchieCat]

32. I just gave it to you word by word......

As I transcribed it from the link I gave you along with the time when
the argument starts....West said to Al, "I worry about YOU.......YOU ending up being ANOTHER Black mascot.....(since West called Barack Obama a Black mascot as well).

That's West calling people names....and getting personal.
Very undignified and childish.

[EFerrari]

34. Baloney. West was describing a process, not calling anyone anything.

And he didn't call Obama a black mascot.

[Paradoxical]

8. Al Sharpton is kind of a douche.

Has a lot of good points to make. But still a douche.

Cornel West, however, is not a douche.

[EFerrari]

25. I love Al Sharpton. He gives much better than he gets. n/t

[Rage for Order]

10. I'll tell you who didn't win: the white host/moderator

He had zero control over his panel.

:rofl:

[apples and oranges]

15. I agree, the set up was odd. And wtf was Velma Hart doing there?

Remember, the frustrated one time CFO who said she was tired of defending Obama?

[EFerrari]

21. The clip doesn't really start at the beginning or something.

I'd love to hear those two for a lot longer than that, that's for sure.

[apples and oranges]

26. I found a longer version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_tlI0o0VBU

[EFerrari]

27. Excellent, thanks!

I notice when West was asked about the leadership in the black caucus, he says it has been awol for the most part.

He also points out that talking about cuts and not about spending is right wing terrain.

[JonLP24]

40. Thanks!

[JonLP24]

19. Can't tell with all the crosstalk

[EFerrari]

24. My good brother West was trying to say

that any critique of Obama is called out as forwarding the right wing agenda.

Sharpton came back with, don't blame this president for the behavior of people who have always been afraid to stand up for the people. And he included Congress in that.

They didn't get very far, which is too bad.

[apples and oranges]

38. kick

[mfcorey1]

39. Cornel is a talker and that is all. Sharpton called him out and I am glad. Smiley next. nt

[EFerrari]

41. Because we have no need for thinkers or teachers at all.

LOL