be sure to say SOME. Ashley Judd apologizes for hip-hop remarks

[seabeyond]

She concludes, "I believe that the social construction of gender - the cultural beliefs and practices that divide the sexes and institutionalize and normalize the unequal treatment of girls and women, privilege the interests of boys and men, and, most nefariously, incessantly sexualize girls and women - is the root cause of poverty and suffering around the world."

*

"The outcry regarding my remarks, 2 paragraphs of my 400+ page book, regarding hip hop and rap, has been as astounding as it is out of context...I have looked closely at the feedback I have received about those two paragraphs, and absolutely see your points, and I fully capitulate to your rightness, and again humbly offer my heartfelt amends for not having been able to see the fault in my writing, and not having anticipated it would be painful for so many. Crucial words are missing that could have made a giant difference,” she says in a post on GlobalGrind.com.

Judd asserts that those paragraphs should read: “Some hip hop, and some rap, is abusive. Some of it is part of the contemporary soundtrack misogyny (which, of course, is multi-sonic). Some of it promotes the rape culture so pervasive in our world...I should have been clear...that I include hip-hop and rap as part of a much larger problem. It is beyond unfortunate that I am talking about some, for example, of Snoop Dogs’ lyrics, an assumption has been spread I was talking about every single artist in both genres."

*

"Hatred of girls and women, I will oppose with spiritual and non-violent principles every day," she concludes, adding that the Twitter responses to her remarks included death threats. "Abuse and violence in any form, at any time, in any expression, are never okay. Period. I, and other girls and women, are not afraid of you. You can keep on hating, but I am going to keep on loving."

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/ashley-judd-apologizes-for-hip-hop-remarks/?hpt=Sbin

[Frank Cannon]

1. So she stated an opinion, one which I happen to share.

I haven't listened a whole lot of rap or hip-hop (don't really have a taste for it), but I can honestly say that almost all of it that I have heard promoted violence and/or misogyny in some fashion. I'm sure there are exceptions. (There always are.) But that's pretty much been my experience with it.

[snooper2]

50. check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-VyUCvOreE

[chrisa]

2. She's right

Women, and sadly, even girls are dehumanized by men throughout the world into objects for male satisfaction. This, in turn, is used as mental justification to commit the cruelest acts possible on a human being. For example, "She was dressed like a (whatever). She shouldn't have been wearing that!"

It's not getting better. It's getting worse. It's even being encouraged in the US right now. We're not even close to where we should be in this regard.

When it comes to respecting life, we are a backwards and sad culture. I see no commitment to improve, either. All I see are tools on the TV trying to bring us even further into the dark ages. I'm talking about you, O'Reilly.

[seabeyond]

3. i was listening to npr with 13 yr old son in car, yesterday. yale sex harrassment issue and colleges

across the nation. how our universities are sexual hostile environment to our young women. how rape is over looked and buried. how women are not supported.

one of the things said was the young men sittin in commons and other public areas with their laptops and porn. gigglin and laughin and creating an uncomfortable environment for the women. it made me sick listening to what we are subjecting the women to and demanding they accept. that men cannot even hold onto the simplest concept of decency. i am sending my oldest son to college and paying a lot of money to do this, and get a creepy feeling this is the environment he is stepping into.

[chrisa]

5. It's a sad world out there,

where rape is not only laughed at, but openly encouraged.

[Lint Head]

4. As a man I agre with Ashley.

[chrisa]

6. I wonder why people are so angry with her comments.

Did they hit a sore spot? Too close to the truth?

[WhiteTara]

7. We are raising sociopaths

who are alienated from true living.

[Ikonoklast]

8. The outrage is telling, isn't it?

If her statement didn't apply to you, why would you get upset over it?

On the other hand, if she poked you directly in the eye with the truth, I can see why one might squeal a bit.

[noamnety]

9. The issue is the racist overtones of the comments.

People love to characterize rap and hip hop as sexist hate-speech. People aren't disputing that it's rampant there. But it's a legitimate complaint when someone focuses on sexism in black culture while conveniently ignoring it in music that's associated with white culture.

"From AC/DC “She’s Got Balls” (Apparently when you’re really macho male genitals become attractive - in a non-homosexual way of course. That’s just the title.. listen to the lyrics):
"She's got soul my lady
Likes to crawl my lady
All around the floor on her hands and knees
Because she likes to please me"

From Scorpions "Rock You Like a Hurricane"
"The bitch is hungry
She needs to tell
So give her inches
And feed her well."

http://www.wordarc.com/Alamir/2008/08/16/Top_5_Most_Sexist_Classical_Rock_Songs

Or look at Ted Nugent. Yikes.

Criticism of sexism in music lyrics is good. Selective criticism that only focuses on hiphop and rap is problematic.

[seabeyond]

10. ya. rap is just really misunderstood. not like the other genres arent guilty of exactly the same

I gotta taste for you, now wat you wanna do?
Girl, you cold, let me suck out your flu
Girl, you cold, girl, you cool
You heard of salt n peppa, well girl, you food

Girl, you hot like a bowl of hot stew
And I just stood over ma stew and just blew
And when there's no more of you in da soup
I remove ma spoon and drink your juice

If you want to do me, do what cha wanna do
If my job is to blow, you can bet she blue
Mic check 1, 2, how a bout 1, 2
P-L-A-Y because I don't have a clue

But when I find out, I'm a show and tell you
When I lift my top lip, I could still smell you
When I swallow ma spit, I could still taste you
Put dat pussy in ma face every time I face you

It goes P-U-S-S-Y
Because it's da reason I am alive
Momma, I need it to stay alive
It's like I gotta eat it just to survive, because

I'm da pussy monster, da pussy monster
Da pussy monster, da pussy monster
Girl, you gotta feed me, pussy, pussy
Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy

Now let me get back to her
She call me Dracula, and I'll vacuum her
Catfish, dat fish, dat cat, tuna
I'll smack it up flip it like a spatula
Dat lil' puss there runnin' so I'll tackle ya

Baby, can I be the worm in ya apple butt?
http://www.elyrics.net/read/l/lil_-wayne-lyrics/pussy-monster-lyrics.html>
Now go back in her, and if you backin' up
I'll suck the front of dat pussy from da back of ya
Now I'm a throw it on her like a black Acura

I been in dis game, I'll make da girl a act-e-russ
(Actress)
I told her act-shun
(Action)
Da camaras is lookin'
And I hope she make me eat ma word 'cause my words is

Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy
Yeah, I'm da pussy monster, da pussy monster
Da pussy monster, da pussy monster
And you betta feed me, pussy, pussy
Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy

I got pussy comin' to me, pussy comin' to me, pussy
Show me dat pussy and I'm a show you where to put it
You no I make it rain, I'm da hurricane son
And you know I could make it rain, wat ma hurricane tang

Like lala, la, lala, la, lala, la, lala, la, lala, lala, lalala, la
Imagine if I did dat with your pearl on ma tongue, ha
I make dat pussy talk to me, I could make it jump
Ova her and walk to me
Now walk it out, girl, now walk it out, girl

P-U-S-S-Y
Because it's da reason I am alive
And I'm a need it to stay alive
It's like I gotta eat it just to survive, hi

I'm da pussy monster, da pussy monster
Da pussy monster, da pussy monster
Girl, you gotta feed me, pussy, pussy
Pussy, pussy, pussy, pussy

[noamnety]

16. again

"People aren't disputing that it's rampant there."

[seabeyond]

19. rap has well walked over the line. for it to be addressed is not a bad thing. nt

[snooper2]

51. men get ripped in rap as well...

Albeit not as much... but

From Too Short "Don't fight the Feeling"

Punk I'm not a tease, I'm not a skeezer
And most definately, not a dick pleaser
You dreaming ,and sceeming, and fiending for my lust
You don't have enough
For you I feel disgust
Wait, smoke things I hate
For goodness sakes, If I wanted someone small I would masturbate
I'm not talking 'bout your height, weight, or what you dream
When I say too short, you know what I mean
You see, I need man, not a boy to approach me
Your lame game, really insults me
Your name is Too $hort, or shall I say too skinny
If size were money honey, you wouldn't have a penny
Little boy, your not a player
I'm your savior
To try to get at me, shows of gracious behavior
I have to sit on my feet to come down to your level
Your mother should have hung you, from her umbilical cord
If she would have known your mission
Okay little boy, here's a proposition
You wanna bit of danger, Step you to my zone
You call yourself a dogg, thatz how I'll send you home
With your tail between your legs, screeching and whining
Jealous of you got some, nigger please your lying
Cause I fight the feeling, that would have to be one
And mathmatically, me plus you equals none...

[seabeyond]

54. i am glad i started this thread

if not for the original reason. but the chance to talk about rap as a whole and hearing different perspective. i listened to the rap... it's murder... you had posted above and an awesome video. i do enjoy the music, energy of the music and that was a good story, what i was able to get.

it is hard for me to catch words in songs.

thanks snoop for being a part of the conversation.

sometimes we can be open, but enough bad comes in, starts narrowing view. it is always good to have someone help bring it back into perspective

ALSO....

i think we can still discuss the real issues people have witht eh garbage in some too, while we can appreciate the truly creative adn productive part of rap

[Keith Bee]

12. Heavy Metal led the way

Good point.

[hfojvt]

23. not really, there are two songs named there

only one of which got played on the radio. As much AC/DC as I have listened to, I have never even heard the other one. As for the other hit song, it's nice to know I am not the only one stuck in the 1980s, but I am not sure how that would be relevant to today's youth.

[WatsonT]

22. Low hanging fruit

There have always been examples of overtly sexual/sexist music.

Rap is just currently unpopular like rock was back in the day.

In a generation our kids will be wondering what the fuss over rap was because it seems so tame compared to "x".

Just like we wonder what the big deal was over Elvis.

[PVnRT]

43. Really? Examples from the 1970s and early 1980s?

That's not to excuse those lyrics, but seriously. Do we now have to condemn everything at once to maintain appropriate political correctness?

Not all rap is overtly sexist. Much of it is. It's also popular. Ergo, that sexism is and should be criticized, and is criticized by plenty of African-Americans as well.

[WatsonT]

47. If you're trying to link it to poverty

then it would make sense to look at all music that has been around as long as poverty has, so forever.

It would be . . . odd to say that music/sexism is the root cause of poverty now, whereas something entirely different was the root cause 30-40 years ago.

If indeed sexism is the root cause, as she claims, and that derives largely from music then that should hold true throughout history, not just today.

[WatsonT]

11. She can believe that

but it is inaccurate.

Poverty has many causes and sexism is not the root. I'd say a lack of education is at the base of it, if we're to pick one factor alone. That or very poor governance.

[seabeyond]

13. hm. and where do you think much fo the lack of education comes from. female, no

education for you

you draw a conclusion about what she is saying from that very little and tell all how wrong she is. kinda like what she is saying about the critics in this very article. if you listen to her chris matthews interview you would have a tad more of what she is saying, and you might have a better understanding

at this point, your post is merely uninformed

[WatsonT]

15. Right . . .

because in sub-Saharan Africa they're graduating Ivy-League boys while denying education to females. . . .

She said it was the root cause, I don't believe this to be the case.

Consider: the west was far wealthier than the rest of the world at a time when they treated their women poorly. Maybe not the worst any culture has ever treated women, but hardly equal.

[seabeyond]

17. again, your perception that you have an inkling to all this from 2 paragraphs

and unwillingness to explore what is being said furhter, so you can argue your position is telling

[WatsonT]

20. I'm going off what you posted

am I suppose to not use what is presented here?

Did she say this kind of culture was the root cause of poverty, yes or no?

[seabeyond]

26. if you are going off what i posted you would read OVER 400 pgs in book

so seeing how smart you are, you would realize there is a lot more than the mere paragraph i posted on what is in the book, not even the full two paragraphs people are griping about.

but, if you want your discussion irrelevent, not a problem with me. just seems to be a norm for you

[WatsonT]

42. You didn't post over 400 pages

you posted one article here.

Unless you believe we must read everything you have ever posted anywhere to respond to each individual post. But that's just silly.

[seabeyond]

44. "You didn't post over 400 pages". well, that told me how your first statement just makes everything

right in your world

[WatsonT]

46. Go to the link you posted

click on it. Then tell me that is 400 pages.

I think you might be confused.

Anyway you're getting off topic.

Rap lyrics and sexism are not the root of poverty in the world. She is entitled to her opinion and I think they are a problem, but I disagree with her assumption.

/adults can do that right, disagree about the causes of complex problems?

[hfojvt]

14. in many places, sexism says that girls shouldn't be educated

and also that men should rule. (anyone for very poor governance?)

[WatsonT]

18. Those places

also don't tend to educate boys.

How many people are competing to get in to colleges in Africa or the Middle east?

They also tend to be extremely autocratic, which is bad for prosperity regardless of who is in charge male/female. (although you can sometimes scrape by if you have enough resources, like oil).

Consider Victorian England: the wealthiest nation on earth at the time. A beacon for womens rights?

[msanthrope]

53. Right--because unequal pay and devaluation of the work of women doesn't have its roots

in sexism....

Yeah.

[WatsonT]

57. unequal pay = poverty?

Interesting.

I guess every nation is poor.

Consider the hundreds of historical counterexamples to your theory before you post it.

If sexism was the cause of poverty then what nations could be wealthy? The ones that are free from sexism, right?

So which are those?

[Distant Observer]

21. Ashley Judd is NOT RACIST. Speaking the truth is just dangerous

[ClassWarrior]

24. Yes, because the C&W music that put food on her table is so egalitarian.

:eyes:

NGU.

[w8liftinglady]

25. Ashley Judd has been an outspoken Democrat in a Republican world

for the record,i have listened to rap,hip-hop,rock,soul,country,jazz,new age...you name it.

rap has HISTORICALLY encouraged rape and female degradation.

http://www.nownyc.org/women/images/070925_congressional_hearing_on_hip_hop_final.pdf

I defend her for standing up.

Show me current (not 30 year-old) rock lyrics that are similar...and show them to her.I am sure she would come out as strongly against them.

and here is Michelle Malkin's view of Ashley,if you need more proof on her views
http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2004/04/28/a_message_for_ashley_judd

[marmar]

27. I think it's just a typical remark from someone who doesn't understand the breadth of hip-hop.....

...... they focus on the misogynistic songs/artists because those are the ones that garner all the media attention, but are ignorant of the wealth of conscientious artists because they tend not to "make it big."
For the record, I think Ashley Judd is a good person and not a racist, but like a lot of people, her knowledge of the hip-hop genre is based on the stereotype image.

[seabeyond]

30. tell me. and i ask to be informed and looking for an answer.

i wa sittin in a convenient store parking lot waiting for my boys. a truck with white guy pulls in. his music blaring, windows open. (also relevent i live in panhandle of texas). i hear the repeated lyrics along the lines of .... n*gga is a ho, n*gga is a ho, n*gga is a ho, i am gonna fuck your mama.

continually repeated. i look at boys walking into store to see if they heard, and if it is once again, me having a conversation about this. then i figure, they are old enough now, and we have talked about all these issues. they are well grounded, and educated, i can let this part of parenting go.

then i look at car next to me. a old grandma, mother and two little girls about 4 and 6. african american. listening to the repetitive lyrics as a white guy jumped out of the truck.

what was i suppose to feel for these women/girls in the car with this blaring?

i have thought about this often over the last year trying to put it into a perspective, but really, too many things in it for me, that bother me.

*lyrics arent exact cause it has been so long, but know they used n*gga repeatedly, ho and fuck your mama

[noamnety]

31. A Man Needs a Maid

"I was thinking that
maybe I'd get a maid
Find a place nearby
for her to stay.
Just someone
to keep my house clean,
Fix my meals and go away.

A maid. A man needs a maid.
A maid."

Troubling for young girls to listen to? Or okay because it doesn't use vulgar language? It's a kinder gentler way of saying men need to use women.

[w8liftinglady]

33. That is Neil Young. let's try something since 2001.

Nothing personal.
A man may NEED a maid. A man may want to be a maid.

[noamnety]

35. I deliberately picked something old.

New rap music didn't invent misogyny - that's my point.

I'm wondering if the outrage about that song exists, or if Neil Young can have misogynistic lyrics because he's white and left-leaning.

[seabeyond]

38. if i was listening to song, and actually heard what the man was saying

and my boys were in the car....

i would make a comment to them about him being a pig male.

not hard for me.

not about race

about making my boys aware

[Pithlet]

56. There's this, from 2003

I heard it on the radio just the other day:

Nickelback, Figured You Out

I like your pants around your feet
I like the dirt that's on your knees
And I like the way you still say please
While you're looking up at me
You're like my favourite damn disease

...

And I love the way you pass the check
And I love the good times that you wreck
And I love your lack of self respect
While you're passed out on the deck
I love my hands around your neck

[seabeyond]

34. that was not my question. adn the poster seemed to have a different perspective

understanding of rap. i was seriously asking, in that situation, how those that have that feel for rap would feel about seeing that scenario. i understand i am not part of the culture, experience or age to understand. so i took the time to post with the information so i could get a serious, thoughtful answer.

[noamnety]

37. I got that it's not an answer to your question.

I was asking a question of my own.

[seabeyond]

40. i answered you above. i dont have any trouble at all

pointing out sexism and racism so my kids are aware and can pull it out when they hear it instead of slowing being conditioned to it.

[marmar]

32. Again, there are a lot of those examples.....and a lot of the other.

Believe it or not, whatever you heard is not EVERY hip-hop song:


I want you, cuz you make my heart skip the beat that I drum to
I want to be the one you run to, when pain confronts you
You're everything, sometimes I get nervous when I'm in front you
You can hear it in my voice when I ask you if you comfortable
Look how love do, I'd practice the Art of War for you like Sun Tzu
Come through and arouse you every morning like the sun do
If you blackout and collapse I want to help you to come to
Notice I haven't yet got into what I want from you
I want you to come to when I come through and make you shine like the sun do
I want you to be the valley for my river to run through
You're everything, you send your soul through your lips to my heart
Sweet music will start I want you to be the music of my art
When people try to rip us apart we got to work to stay together
Go through the seasons of love and never change with the weather
This is my wish list, what I want not what I need there's a difference
These days I'm learning that words got power so I'ma be specific

- from 'Talk to You' by Talib Kweli, one of many hip-hop songs like it.

[seabeyond]

36. still, i would like someone to help me out with what i experienced. but, i will say

prior to that experience and my husband receiving the pussy monster cd from his pig friend that is always offensive using things like this and porn to degrade women in his life.... i didnt have an issue with rap and even enjoyed it.

i love the beat and feel and energy of rap. my boys reject it and i have often gotten into it merely so they could get the feel of it. i am not an enemy of rap. and for the most part, i NEVER listen to words of songs, often make up my own words, i go off feel of music, not lyrics. so this is not about dissing the whole performance of this music. also, this is kinda what judd is saying. because she did not add SOME people are defending saying not ALL.

i am not either. often i have told boys, not all, get a good beat song without the garbage and i like.

[marmar]

39. I totally understand your reaction.

I cringe at a good many hiphop lyrics, and I grew up with it. :)

[seabeyond]

41. ok

but this is my question. should i have been outraged for these young girls and the grandma. should i be more, because in a very racist community, a white boy is blaring this music. or are our black community so desensitized or accepting of music that it means nothing to them, like it does to me.

[marmar]

45. I'd be pissed if he was blaring it so that everyone could hear it.

I suspect he probably hasn't given a whole lot of thought to what he was listening too - he just likes it. But I agree with you in that not everyone wants or should have to hear it.

[snooper2]

52. So would you compare what you experienced to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8AWHMnhg34

[seabeyond]

55. all i got out of all the words was balls....

then a little further, typical n*gger and about there had enough.

no

i dont think it is fun to watch something like this. i would probably have a scornful reaction if i was sittin in a bar watching this. ya.... to me, that isnt pretty.

but i do not see the two situations the same, looking at little girls in a car, minding their own business, listeing to ho, n*gga, and fuck your mama

[snooper2]

73. For sure you wouldn't./shouldn't play music like that around children

Odd thing with rap though is one track to another, album to album songs are totally different..

I grew up listening to Tuapc, Eazy E and Bone Thugs in Harmony...

Compare this track-
"Crossroads"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9IXAJg4Vm0

to this track-
(Oh, and this song never caused me to go put a cap in somebody's ass although I listed to it probably a 1000 times)

Nobody in the game can beat this beat :)
"Mo Murda"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4M8022TsYw

[hifiguy]

28. She has NOTHING to apologize for.

Not one thing.

[salinen]

29. At least hate radio

dehumanizes equally among gays, blacks, liberals, women, and foreigners.

[WatsonT]

48. Rap isn't exactly friendly to those groups either

Well maybe with the exception of blacks (although they do say "N*****" more than anyone else outside a klan rally).

[salinen]

60. word

[Romulox]

61. You don't know what you're talking about. nt

[WatsonT]

63. Cool

thanks for sharing.

I guess you're right, rap is totally generous to homosexuals and liberals and foreigners, etc.

No rapper has ever gotten yelled at for talking about killing f****ts. Or ripping on mexicans or anything like that.

[Romulox]

67. Well, since you are an expert...Who do the Mexican, Chicano, and Latino rappers hate?

/wants to know

[WatsonT]

69. Gringos I would imagine

are you seriously suggesting rap is favorable to diversity?

[snooper2]

74. Guess you never listend to "Changes" by Tupac

RIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw

[Romulox]

78. You'd imagine completely wrong though.

"are you seriously suggesting rap is favorable to diversity?"

Yes I am.

[WatsonT]

79. Well there you go

I've posted 4 studies showing increased levels of violence in rap music compared to other genres.

You have your gut feelings.

I guess we're at an impasse.

[Romulox]

80. You were just speaking of "diversity". Why change the subject?

And of the studies you site, only one concerns "the increased levels of violence in rap music"--two or three speak of the increase of violence in popular music as a whole, with rock being only slightly less guilty than rap.

But none of this is to the point: you had been speaking of "gringoes" and "diversity", and now you change the subject? You seem to be backing away from what is obviously a losing argument. :shrug:

[WatsonT]

81. Oh sorry, I thought it was obvious

when you direct violence at those people you cannot be considered supportive of them.

So when you say stuff about killing fa**ots you can't then claim to be pro-homosexuals.

[Romulox]

82. Who are "those people"? Do you really suppose there are no gay rappers?

You don't even recognize your pre-conceptions for what they are.

"So when you say stuff about killing fa**ots"

This is a recurring theme from you. What is the real life context of this example you've now cited several times?

[WatsonT]

83. You seem to be stuck on this notion

that one rapper not doing something proves that all of them don't.

I believe Mr. eminem got in a bit of trouble not too long back for his violent anti-gay lyrics.

But he's not that famous.

[Romulox]

68. /also want to know who they should hate!

http://ozomatli.com/about

[WatsonT]

71. Do you believe the presence of some who do

not say such things negate the existence of those who do?

No, not all rappers are hatefilled.

As a genre though it does have more than it's fair share.

I can tell this is a personal thing to you, whereas for me it is merely an observation of fact.

I don't really care, rap isn't my thing and I'm not pushing for a ban or anything. Enjoy whatever music you like.

[LanternWaste]

76. You can of course point us towards a valid, objective and peer-reviewed analysis

"As a genre though it does have more than it's fair share."

You can of course point us towards a valid, objective and peer-reviewed analysis supporting that statement, yes...?

Or is that merely an opinion formed off of anecdotal evidence given the sobriquet of "fact"?

[WatsonT]

77. Wow

No one is coming after your rap music, so relax.

Well I'm not anyway.

And here you go:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18828414

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029428

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16608146

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9158434

Objective and peer reviewed, brought to you by Science!

[LanternWaste]

85. So I can only imagine your "fact" is mere opinion.

I neither listen to rap nor concern myself with anyone "coming" after music-- bumper sticker hysteria best left for the kids at the children's table, right?

Your sources (abstracts actually) appear to lack peer-review and relevant data pointing to ratio of violence v. non-violence contrasted between rap and non-rap. So I can only imagine your "fact" is mere opinion.

[snooper2]

49. Maybe Chamillionaire should do a new mix tape Messiah

Instead of tearing apart "Mike Jones" give Ashley a shot :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4IBaNAbFkA

[SoCalDem]

58. nit-pickers will always find something to criticize

it's just what they do:(

it's in abundance here at DU too..every day all day.

[Romulox]

59. What evidence is there that we "privilege the interests of boys and men" in the AA community?

I don't see any evidence that we "privilege the interests of boys and men" in the African American community. Quite the contrary.

Perhaps Ms. Judd has confused cause with effect? :hi:

[seabeyond]

62. i didnt get that part of the message

is being pointed to black community but the male community as a whole. but it may be that i am getting the interview i saw with matthew influencing what i read in the article. actually, when reading it, i didnt get any of this was particularly talking to black community..... just a type of music

[Romulox]

64. It's a DIRECT QUOTE.

"is being pointed to black community but the male community as a whole."

And it is being said by the WHITE, WEALTHY community, then? I don't think we can make blanket statements and then say "these comments (which intersect race, gender, class, etc.) are only to be considered as to your gender." In other words, we don't get to pick and chose in which context our words are considered--reality does that.

[Romulox]

65. Roots - "How I Got Over" (NSFW)

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nDKTxjKK9k

[seabeyond]

66. thank you

that was so damn powerful.

[Blue_Tires]

70. as long as the "some" is used, I agree

[Iggo]

72. Again. It's not rap music. It's America.

Our culture is awash in sexism, including the music....ALL genres. (Okay, maybe not classical...heh.)

[WatsonT]

75. We are the root cause of poverty throughout the world?

Bad America! Don't do that again.

[Odin2005]

84. Some poeple in this thread seem to have forgotten the word "some" was used.

[Wait Wut]

86. Weird day at DU.

It looks like Liberals are now promoting censorship, not only of music, but comments, posts, etc.

I'm not condoning some of the lyrics in some music, but I do listen to some hip hop. She was correct...to apologize. Many of us at DU get bent out of shape about generalizations and labels, but we're all too quick to jump to Ms. Judd's defense when she lumps all rap and hip hop music/artists together. There's an old documentary out there called "Scratch". I made my husband (an old blues piano player/singer) watch it and it changed his opinions. One of my old standards is on there, DJ Shadow.

Teach your children well. Don't censor, discuss. Don't condemn, explain. If something you hear makes you uncomfortable, talk to them and explain why.

[Ron Green]

87. My main problem with the Hip-Hop is that

the chord changes are so bad.

[MasonJar]

88. Ashley Judd should not apologize. She is a great lady. her work for the

environment is outstanding.