Words, words and more words

[markpkessinger]

I'll wait and see what he actually DOES in the course of budget negotiations. After all, if the health care debates are any indicator, he may have already conceded some of the things he claims to be committed to. I'm sorry, his speeches are meaningless at this point. Only his actions matter.

[Dawgs]

1. Careful now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x652655

[DFab420]

2. Lol hide hide and more hide

My ignore list is growing quicker and quicker..

[upi402]

3. He always says great thing, and betrays us

So many act like battered wives - thinking "this time it'll be different"

He needs to be pressured before we lose it all. He does what Repukes want and then some every time all the marbles are out there.

[Logical]

4. -1 for you being too jaded to even be here! Take a break! n-t

[markpkessinger]

6. I'm too jaded because I expect actions to match rhetoric?

[Logical]

9. Well, at least he started way left this time! n-t

[markpkessinger]

13. I'll grant that much -- it sounded good (at least at the outset) n/t

[Logical]

17. And I understand your worry. Believe me. sorry if I sounded defensive. n-t

[markpkessinger]

18. Thanks...

...And I'm sorry if I'm coming off sounding so terribly jaded. I would love nothing more than for President Obama so stand firm -- and actually fight, for once in his Presidency -- for the priorities he outlined in the speech.

[Logical]

20. I have been where you are many times. I guess this speech just made.....

me feel like the old Obama was back. I hope I am right!

[markpkessinger]

23. I hope so too! n/t

[obxhead]

5. "I will not support a bill that does not have a public option"

I remember as well.

[SidDithers]

30. Fabricated quote...nt

Sid

[Blue-Jay]

7. turds, turds, and more turds

[Bluerthanblue]

8. and your words are any different?

what's the point of posting this?

What do you hope to gain?

You aren't 'waiting and seeing'- you're condeming him already.

sorry-

un-rec.

[markpkessinger]

10. I'm not condemning him --

I'm just refusing to jump on the "Praise" bandwagon until I see what he actually does. And I am not a President purporting to represent the stands he is committed to (whether he actually is or not).

[Logical]

11. [phone]

[frazzled]

12. I'll remember that next time ...

anyone mentions: Dennis Kucinich, Russ Feingold, Anthony Weiner ... or anyone else who has ONLY words to their credit. Not that I don't like those people. I do. I am merely trying to point out the laughable double-standard people hold here.

[markpkessinger]

15. Show me where those guys were working against positions they publicly proclaimed n/t

[frazzled]

24. They don't have to: they're not executives.

They don't have to accomplish anything. They only have to vote. I know that sounds like I'm minimizing what they do. I'm not. I'm saying it's a different responsibility.

[markpkessinger]

28. Right. So you're comparing apples and oranges. n/t

[JoePhilly]

14. The predicted announcement of HUGE SS and Medicare cuts did not happen ...

so the outrage machine simply moves on.

[phleshdef]

16. You should have just made your subject line your entire post.

Would have saved you some typing.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. They were the correct words, and that does count for something

In order to beat back the Republicans over the debt ceiling and next year's budget, President Obama will need to repeat and amplify on these words across this nationa continualy. To destroy the Republican messaging, Obama has to have a more powerful and true message than theirs. He delivered that today.

So I won't call this speech meaningless, but we are in the early stages of this battle. In that sense I fully agree with you. This battle has a long way to go and Obama will be tested by his foes as he tries to hold the line.

[markpkessinger]

21. Fair enough....

...I'll go along with that. But I don't think I'm being unreasonable in taking a "wait and see" approach when it comes to evaluating whether his actions ultimately comport with his rhetoric.

[Carolina]

22. exactly

which is why I can no longer tolerate watching or listening to Nodrama give a speech.

It's all horseshit especially anything alleging help for the common, working man.

Heard it before, been burned before

[JoePhilly]

25. The Prediction that he was going to announce SS cuts today .... words, words, words.

And they were wrong again.

[Carolina]

26. there are already cuts... 2 years of no COLAs!!!!!

[JoePhilly]

27. You might want to take a civics class and find out what drives ...

(or inhibits) COLA increases ... and its not a "cut", and Obama doesn't control it.

Learn all about it here.
http://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/latestCOLA.html

Apparently Obama should go back to 1973 and change the law passed by congress.

... but thanks for playing the outrage game.

[markpkessinger]

29. The President didn't commit to no cuts; he committed to opposing privatization and medicare voucher

And in case you didn't hear it, he said this, which is a classic tactic of Obama's to afford himself "wiggle room":

Finally, there are those who believe we shouldn’t make any reforms to Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security out of a fear that any talk of change to these programs will usher in the sort of radical steps that House Republicans have proposed. I understand these fears. But I guarantee that if we don’t make any changes at all, we won’t be able to keep our commitments to a retiring generation that will live longer and face higher health care costs than those who came before.

The benefit cuts will come. Mark my words.