The overwhelming sentiment on DU re Obama's speech is one of distrust

[cali]

I share it and I think the President has earned it. We've heard too many fine words that from him that end up being hollow. Furthermore, I don't want to hear about shared sacrifice. I want to hear how we can't ask sacrifice from those who have nothing left to sacrifice. I didn't hear that. It wasn't said.

The stage is set for the Repukes to push more of their agenda through and for the President and a majority of dems to make further concessions and compromises. That speech was a platform for it.

[countingbluecars]

1. I don't believe that is the overwhelming

sentiment.

[SDuderstadt]

4. I don't...

either.

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[mfcorey1]

36. I'd rather be a sucker with Obama than a fool with Bohner. Yes, there are quite a few fools here in

wolves clothing.

[Greybnk48]

Amen to that. I'll stick with the President and hope for the

best. I'd never trust the snakes on the right, ever.

[mrcheerful]

42. Do you remember how the R's and media demonized everything Clinton did as well as

every compromise Clinton made with the R's was seen as Clinton having no back bone to stand up to the R's? How many times did D voters get upset with Clinton over some of the things he had to compromise on to just get a few tid bit's passed. Funny how that is all forgotten now that Obama is president but its the same crap Clinton had said about him for 8 years only Obama has the armchair politicians posting on the internet instead of putting it in the opinion section of local newspapers.

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[Bluerthanblue]

17. maybe we'd all do well to speak for ourselves, and NOT for others-

I for one, don't see where we have gotten to as solely Obama's fault.

The Dem. legislators have NOT worked for us, and without them working together, we can't get where we need to be.

[originalpckelly]

25. Oh no, of course not...

but he comes out making bold promises we have seen he is incapable of keeping, because he's not the only player in the Washington, D.C. "game".

I honestly have no reason to believe a word he says. In fact, they now don't have the House, so it's going to be even harder for them NOT to have the tax cuts renewed for the rich.

[Blue Owl]

2. Words, good...

Deeds, better!

[monmouth]

3. I've been "sweet-talked" many times in my life, pardon me if I'm wary..n/t

[originalpckelly]

7. Oh but, baby, I wasn't in love with conservatism...

it just happened.

[merbex]

38. LOL, cute ...and apt n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

8. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, not blind faith.

Yours is a respectable position :hi:

[JoePhilly]

9. What happened to all the predictions that he'd announce major cuts

to Social Security and Medicare ... but it didn't happen.

Kind of reminds me of the SAME predictions being made right before the Stats of the Union.

Now that those predictions turn out to be FALSE ... the outrage machine simply moves on.

[mikeytherat]

13. And if Obama's speech HAD said, "End Social Security" and "eliminate Medicare"

the same folks who don't believe a word he says would believe every word which sprang from his lips.

mikey_the_rat

[sharp_stick]

22. Oops delete

sorry, I should read a little more slowly.

[mikeytherat]

34. s'OK - actually, I was a bit hyperbolic

Should have said, "I'd bet that most of the...

No harm, no foul.

:hi:

mikey_the_rat

[Tippy]

10. Oh cali....don't burst our bubble.....I have been so depressed

about our current situaion, I'm in tears way to often....My cry has been I'll never give up ....but I was all most ready

[mmonk]

11. We need to address our Senate problem.

We all know which ones we are talking about.

[Rex]

12. Actions speak louder then words.

So far I have heard a lot of good speeches by Obama...yet his actions are not the same as his words. Sometimes yes...this time, we shall see. I think he has the capabilities to do a great job as POTUS, starting today would be an idea.

[kentuck]

14. It doesn't matter...

If you trust the President or not. He has presented a template for the Party to work with that is a winning political message. If the House and Senate Democrats unite behind this message, it is good for all of us and also, the country. That is what is important.

[Tippy]

26. Yes!

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. I think that's overstated slightly

I would call it more pleasantly suprised but cautious about being hopeful before can see how well and hard he fights for what he stated. VERY guarded sligbt optimism.

[sharp_stick]

16. Overwhelming?

Using a term like that pretty much invites the question of what do you find overwhelming? Are you seeing a certain percentage of OP's or replies over all the forums or what. Are you reading and compiling data based on keyword search in message body or just in header form. Either that or perhaps you just pulled the word out of a certain orifice.

I don't know how you obtained the position of official DU statistician but with the lack of numbers or even baseline evidence you don't seem to take the position all that seriously.

[uppityperson]

18. I disagree that is the overwhelming sentiment. Try a poll perhaps?

"I want to hear how we can't ask sacrifice from those who have nothing left to sacrifice. I didn't hear that. It wasn't said. "

I heard that, a couple times. He did say that.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. I didn't bother even listening to the speech

I'm no longer willing to give credence to anything anyone says.

Show me action.

[MineralMan]

20. Hmm...that's not what I'm seeing on DU. Maybe we're reading

different threads.

[msanthrope]

37. I think you're reading different discussion boards on different planets....n/t

[Uben]

21. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. ...

....Sun-tzu. Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC).

Obama is smarter than a lot here give him credit for, IMO.

[bettyellen]

23. I'm not seeing it either, those pleased by the speech outnumber the cynical today

as welll as the haters who really outed themsleves today. But the cynical and haters seem to be floating around posting everywhere they can.

[Angry Dragon]

24. I am willing to wait and see

[Fire Walk With Me]

27. The threads stating that we now need to back Obama are receiving Recommendations.

The threads doubting Obama are not getting any.

If for any reason we DO feel let down by Obama, an extremely strong Democratic response to all things Government will work wonders toward our initiatives. That is the whole point. Even Obama has said, paraphrasing, Change occurs when people get together in a majority and make it occur. That is -our- responsibility.

[joeybee12]

28. I just wonder if Abe Lincoln was wrong and you can fool all of the people all of the time...

I, for one, never believed a word he said, even back in 2008.

[Buzz Clik]

29. DU has made the active decision to encourage dissent and distrust.

Those who like and trust the President are disappearing from DU.

So, why should we be surprised that DU would trend toward distrust?

(DU increasingly is becoming dominated by those who truly believe that anyone who does not espouse their point of view is a "corporatist". I find it ironic and laughable that DU contributors are doing a tremendous mirror image homage to our counterparts at freeperville.)

[Wait Wut]

47. Depressing, isn't it?

And your last paragraph is stunningly accurate.

Funny thing is, after stalking this place for a couple of years, I read the TOS and thought, "Wow. They sound pretty serious about protecting the Democratic party and agenda." It's what made me choose this place after TPM upgraded to a format my computer hates.

Too many here are the same folks that made me leave DKos.

[Bluerthanblue]

30. You hear what you want to hear Cali- I'm not hearing the "overwhelming"

distrust that you seem to be.

But I'm not looking for those who need some way to criticize what was said.

He's the President, he doesn't succeed or fail alone. The Dem congress and senate people have failed us just as much as the Pres.

He just laid out what he wants to do- will our reps back him up or not? Maybe that is where we need to question the 'trust'.




:shrug:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. In a democracy we're not supposed to "trust" politicians.

It is the responsibility of the citizenry to hold them accountable..not "trust" them.

[Vinca]

32. He gives a good speech, but actions speak louder than words.

[Deep13]

33. +1

[mfcorey1]

35. And just how did you come to that conclusion? I am sick and tired of this. nt

[CJCRANE]

39. Is that what you see

or what you want to see?

[uppityperson]

40. Not according to my poll. Thank you for contacting your congress people in support of the speech

[phleshdef]

41. You people bitch about the bully pulpit. It gets used. So you then dismiss the bully pulpit's use.

It has nothing to fucking do with trust anyway. If they put a progressive bill on the President's desk, theres a 99% chance he will sign it. His trustworthiness has ZERO to do with the dominant ideologies in Congress. Thats been the problem since day ONE. Compromises and watering down of otherwise great bills only happened because the numbers were not there. And the numbers weren't there because the 400-500 people who gets just as much of a say as the President does, don't want to follow through with some of the more progressive approaches. The new Congress is NOT progressive. And the Senate hasn't been progressive in decades. As long as that dynamic exists, you will not get single payer, you will not get a reliable, equitable tax structure, you will not have these things. People need to accept that so that we can spend our time on the actual culprit.

So many so called liberals seem to get all warm and fuzzy talking about the balance of power... until its responsible for preventing us from getting something we want, then its like it suddenly doesn't exist and isn't to blame for anything. Its such a counterproductive phenomena.

[CelticThunder]

43. -1

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[mrcheerful]

45. You ever think their problem is they expected Clinton then Obama to take the country

back to 1976? We can not undo Reagannomics because the majority of people out there who are neither conservative nor liberal they are a mixture of both still believe that the rich create jobs and trickle down will work. Anyone who tries bursting their bubble gets ignored until it is them that is facing hardships because of trickle down.

[phleshdef]

46. One should only expect that when the political will from ALL branches of government is there.

FDR only got progressive legislations passed because he was willing and because his Congress was ultimately willing and because his Senate was ultimately willing. The same goes for every good and bad thing thats really ever happened. Bush was only allowed to go into Iraq because there were enough willing bodies to vote for authorization. The Bush tax cuts only passed because the rules allowed Republicans to find enough willing people to break a filibuster and pass it. The creation of the EPA and OSHA only occurred because Richard Nixon was willing to sign and not veto the legislation that created such things.

Its so simple and shouldn't have to explained to anyone who knows how our government is structured.

[Cirque du So-What]

48. Howcome all the kewl kids haven't recced your thread if there's 'overwhelming sentiment?'

It's still 'underwater,' showing zero recs. So much for 'overwhelming sentiment' :eyes:
If someone wants to reflexively condemn the president's every utterance, that's their personal business, but I consider resorting to 'me too!' boosterism as justification for it extremely poor form.

[lamp_shade]

49. Yawn.