Prof authors an academic paper concluding Sarah Palin is probably Trig's grandmother, not mother.

[JohnyCanuck]

Professor Bradford Scharlott of Northern Kentucky University has looked into this story in detail and written a long academic article about it. He concludes two things:

First, that the "conspiracy theory" is likely true--Sarah Palin staged a huge hoax, and, second,

The American media is pathetic for not pursuing the story more aggressively

Scharlott's article walks through all the evidence supporting the theory, including the photos of Palin in what is said to have been a late-stage pregnancy, the leisurely 20-hour trip home that Palin took after she supposedly went into labor in Texas, the refusal of the hospital where Trig was supposedly born to even confirm that he was born there (let alone who was the mother), strange statements from Palin's doctor and the McCain campaign, and so on.


And Scharlott concludes that, given that this hoax would be a massive fraud perpetrated on the entire country by a vice-presidential candidate, the media absolutely should have pursued the story more aggressively.

Because the mainstream media did not--and has not--pursued the story at all (let alone aggressively), Professor Scharlott has done some of the work himself. He has also attempted to explain why the media was so wimpy and gullible during the campaign.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-baby-hoax-2011-4#ixzz1JVCo59kq

[Odin2005]

1. I knew it.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

38. me too

[FourScore]

113. I'd like to know where Bristol was during that time.

People had to have seen her. I don't see anything new on this guys study. Don't get me wrong -- I believe it is possible there was a hoax. I find the whole story really wierd. BUT this author has more work to do before he's proven anything.

[bjobotts]

129. Palin has always been an "obvious" phony.Bristol was partying her butt off.

[bjobotts]

130. The whole family had to be clothed and "presented" to the voting public.

[bjobotts]

132. What kind of candidate wink-winks at the camera during a political debate?

[bjobotts]

133. Also never forget the Catie Curic interview.A genuine look at a real phony.

[bjobotts]

136. Her moral fiber is: "Just don't get caught" and "Deny, deny, deny"

[defendandprotect]

213. Typical rightwinger -- !!

[FourScore]

134. My point is this -- what did Bristol look like?

Did she look pregnant? Was she "vacationing in Paris"? What do people say about her? Or who does he think gave birth to the baby?

[many a good man]

150. Bristol missed a couple of months of school due to "mono"

Story has legs.

[annabanana]

170. jeez.. That was the CLASSIC excuse for an "unexplained absence" back

in the 50's... That excuse, all by itself was enough to send the preggers alerts out loud & clear.

[FourScore]

201. Did she look as though she had put on weight before the mono?

That would still put her at 6 months. Women are definitely pregnant at 6 months!

[get the red out]

238. My 7 year old niece had mono last year

I don't think the poor kid missed a full week of school. She felt awful for about a month, going home and napping immediately, but she didn't miss two months of school with it by any means.

[Cieran_WI]

204. Bristol was out with mono for like 5 months.

Couldn't have an unwed daughter of the Governor showing up to school all preggers and stuff. So let's pull the ole' 1950's switcheroo, have the grandma claim to be the mother while the daughter stays out of school with mono.

[defendandprotect]

216. Interesting -- that would mean she would have been trying to limit weight gain to not show --

up to time of the "mono" --

Limiting eating -- especially greens/fresh vegetables/fruits -- is linked to

"Down's Syndrome" --

Q is whether the "switch" had always been planned -- or whether they thought a "son"

was more appropriate than a twice pregnant teenaged daughter?


hmmmm....

[gkhouston]

254. You can be sick with mono for several months. I was. But I didn't go live with an aunt

while I was ill, and I've heard that Bristol did. That's exactly what unwed girls used to do.

[LynneSin]

253. What makes you think it was Bristol's?

The oldest kid (track was it) was out there hell raising, vandalising school buses and getting high all the time. That's the reason he enlisted in the army was so he wouldn't have to serve time for the school bus incident.

Perhaps Track knocked up some girl.

Or perhaps Todd did.

[AllTooEasy]

123. ...and Obama was born in Kenya. Until I see independant DNA tests,,,

...I'm not basing my opinion on a professor making speculative judgements while armed with only circumstansive evidence, regardless of whether the subject is a liberal or conservative.

[rhett o rick]

193. Good for you. Give the lying witch the benefit of the doubt. We know she wouldnt lie. nm

[AllTooEasy]

261. I'm sorry, but I'm not a Trig Birther like you

[rhett o rick]

264. Name calling is absurd. It usually means that one has no intellectual response.

I dont believe that Ms. Palin deserves the benefit of the doubt. If you do, bless you.

[chervilant]

206. Methinks

this blogger doth protest too much...

[mwb970]

244. What a dumb remark.

BTW, it's "independent" not "independant". It's "circumstantial" not "circumtansive". Also, you don't need three commas in a row.

:eyes:

[fascisthunter]

258. but that's what makes it all too easy

[fascisthunter]

257. it's always "all too easy" for simple mindedness

[AllTooEasy]

260. a simple mind would easily take stock in every rumor against an enemy.

[fascisthunter]

262. anyone repeating that Racist garbage you just did IS my enemy

[AllTooEasy]

265. Hey ass-clown, where's the element of race incorporated in my post?!

There's overly-sensitive and there's making shit up. You are best described as the later.

I bet you think this post is anti-Semitic. Oh wait, no, it's gay-bashing.

WTF?!

[SpiralHawk]

2. Republicon Family Values

as usual...

[L. Coyote]

3. Donald Trump is sending birther investigators to a posh resort in Arizona as we speak.

No one was willing to go to Alaska until summer :rofl:

[monmouth]

4. And yet the President's birth certificate is their concern...sigh...n/t

[monmouth]

5. What happened to NE's story that Trig was Tawd's child by another

woman and Sarah decided this was the best way to solve the problem? Not a word...

[SoCalDem]

23. A fertile (and sexually active teen) is 100% more likely

:)

[chowder66]

81. Actually...mature mother's

Advancing maternal age. A woman's chances of giving birth to a child with Down syndrome increase with age because older eggs have a greater risk of improper chromosome division. By age 35, a woman's risk of conceiving a child with Down syndrome is 1 in 400. By age 45, the risk is 1 in 35. However, most children with Down syndrome are actually born to women under age 35 because younger women have far more babies.Having had one child with Down syndrome. Typically, a woman who has one child with Down syndrome has about a 1 percent chance of having another child with Down syndrome

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/down-syndrome/DS00182/DSECTION=risk-factors


I don't know if the professor looked into this aspect or not. I just remember a friend of mine and his wife had their childern later in life and they were told that there was a chance that their children could have downs. Gratefully, they were not born with any issues.

[intaglio]

145. But the risk for younger women remains

It is not impossible for a teen to give birth to a Downs child.

[chowder66]

147. I agree... but the chances increase with mature mothers.

[jc20]

158. 15-19 year-old mothers...

There were about 410,000 live births to women between the ages of 15-19 in 2008. The chances of giving birth to a baby with DS in this age group is approximately 1/1250. So there were a few hundred of these babies born to women under the age of 20 in the US that year.

[defendandprotect]

217. Chances increase if young girl is limiting food intake to hide pregnancy --

[yurbud]

127. that explanation reminds me of the intro to IDIOCRACY

With Tawd as the idiot who populates the earth.

[brewens]

6. Her supposedly hiding the pregnancy sure didn't add up. Why

would a so-called conservative woman do that? You'd think she'd be playing it for all it was worth, especially knowing he was a downs syndrome baby.
I had thought she was possibly hiding it because she planned on giving the baby away. Discretely finding someone to adopt the baby, so she wouldn't have to deal with raising a handicapped kid.

[reformist2]

7. Take a look at this pic from the Nat'l Governors Conference in 2008 - a few weeks before he was born

http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=286563

[nmbluesky]

14. look odd at TX Gov. Perry

he looks unhappy..maybe He couldn't stand by Bush..he dislike stand back

[xxqqqzme]

122. He looks like he was photoshopped in place.

He's probably pissed @ Rendell.

[catgirl]

125. He's looking in the wrogd direction

and he's the only person not smiling.

[glinda]

19. Note Pawlenty next to Bush btw.

[Raschel]

62. I think she looks like she could be pregnant there.

Her face is fat and the hands seem to be farther out than with a flat stomach. Hard to tell with the black outfit.

The flying-while-leaking story never did make sense to me though.

[LiberalFighter]

64. I thought she wasn't as the angle of her arms are straighter

than the woman next to her. Which would suggest that there isn't anything in her stomach to push her arms away from her.

[Mariana]

85. The flying while leaking story is just so far out there.

She wasn't just flying while leaking. She was flying while leaking, four or five weeks premature, she was over 40, with her fifth child, and with a known Down's syndrome child. That's a whole long list of complications and potential complications. Also, it's not like she got on the plane right after her water broke. According to her, it was 10 or so hours later.

NO ONE in their right mind would do that. So, she's either lying and made the story up to impress people (which is pretty crazy in itself, telling that particular story, but wouldn't surprise me), or she's not in her right mind.

[uberblonde]

99. Unless you consider another possibility.

Which is that she wanted her defective child to die. She might have starved herself during the pregnancy for the same reason. It's not unheard, especially with religious women who won't consider abortion.

[crim son]

124. That is not inconceivable.

Vile, but possible.

[Mariana]

137. I have considered that, but , see, Tawd was with her

when she's supposed to have done it. They'd had four kids already, so he had to know that it was the WRONG thing to do. So even if SHE wanted that to happen, how do you explain his actions? That makes me think it didn't happen at all the way she said.

[defendandprotect]

218. Weirdly interesting --

but still the pictures -- others, this one doesn't show much -- seem to show

a non-pregnant Palin.

[tanyev]

139. Best summary ever.

[PearliePoo2]

168. So obvious it's a "DUH".

Sarah honey...bless your heart...you are going DOWN.
bye..bye..:hi:

[Raschel]

190. I know. The story is just plain unbelievable. And this guy is right, the press let it slide.

[yardwork]

87. Photos of her previous pregnancies show her being enormous. And this was her 4th? 5th?

I can't remember how many children she has, but Trig is her 4th or 5th. Women look bigger with each pregnancy because the abdominal muscles stretch and never regain tone. Photos of Palin during previous pregnancies show her being enormous.

This could be a photo of a woman late in her first pregnancy, or a photo of a pregnant woman who always stays thin and never "shows" much, but it is absolutely not believable that this photo is of Sarah Palin late in her 4th or 5th pregnancy. No way. Either this photo (and the many others of her at the same time) were all photo-shopped to make her look un-pregnant, or she was not pregnant.

[d_r]

167. subsequent births

also tend to go faster. Not to feed the theory, I'm just saying I wouldn't get on a plane.

[Raschel]

191. And also makes your tummy pop out faster.

[defendandprotect]

219. Yes -- first births can go 24 hours or more with labor -- 2nd ... 24 minutes --- !!

[chervilant]

209. Hardly... n/t

[pasto76]

120. That aint no pregnant chick! I can see her ankles!

[Dawgs]

249. Some of those people are obviously photoshopped.

Top row, fourth from right, for instance.

[KittyWampus]

8. the Media pursuing this story would have made her more sympathetic.

[undeterred]

11. Exactly.

Pursuing the details of a female candidate's pregancy would be considered way over the line, I don't care who she is. A couple years later, not so much, but during the campaign, it would be seen as really bad taste.

[SoCalDem]

22. the biggest reason why they did not was because it was a story centered on "lady-parts"

and another reason was that republicans just say NO when asked about stuff like this, and then they shut up about it... Media tires of being brushed off, and after being called bullies, they move on to other stuff.. republicans know how to play the game..

The pregnancy coincided with the whole season of Desperate Housewives' Bree faking a pregnancy to avoid "shame" for her daughter.. Tell me that Sarah is not a fan of that show:rofl:

[monmouth]

27. "Housewives of Wasilla"..We're talking a hit here, you betcha!....n/t

[patrice]

9. That would explain that long un-necesary trip to a remote hospital for Trig's delivery. nt

[yardwork]

10. If there was a cover-up, then Palin used her position as governor to intimidate dozens of witnesses.

That's actually very important and something that the press ought to pursue because the implication is that the nation could have elected a VP who used her position as governor to intimidate.

We already know that Palin used her position as governor to get an Alaska state highway patrolman fired and smeared. She appears to have used her position as mayor of Wasilla to get her house build for free - and the media has ignored that as well.

I've always thought that Palin cut a deal with federal investigators and probably the Republican Party as well. She stepped down as governor and they stopped the investigations into her house construction and probably a lot of other forms of graft in which she and her husband were involved.

[LiberalFighter]

65. I think the doctor should be investigated and if she committed fraud should be prosecuted

and lose her doctors license.

[PearliePoo2]

70. Yes she should.

The doctor also, too, is a GP, not a specialist in deliveries of at-risk babies.
But, it should be noted that she is a member of Palin's fundie church. hmmmmm.
Oh and when she WAS questioned, she brought her lawyer along with her to the Q&A.
She NEVER SAID explicitly that SHE delivered TriG.
In fact, the hospital refuses to even say TriG was born there and ommitted him from their website of newborns.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

66. this sounds most likely

given her character, which we have all been able to observe, whether we wanted to or not.

[PearliePoo2]

84. You may be right!

She's as crooked as the day is long.
HOUSE-GATE is what it's referred to. Sarah says TAWD and his beer-drinking buddies built their massive house on weekends. :eyes:
Funny how the materials look EXACTLY like the Wasilla sports arena....right down to the size, shape and style of the fucking windows. hmmmmmm.

[bongbong]

104. Wow!

I thought I was pretty well-informed about the huge, long list of crime & lies that Grifter Grizzly has done, but I was unaware of "house-gate". So she stole materials paid for by the taxpayer for her house?

The more I find out about repigs, the more I realize that Hitler probably succeeded in his plan to implant a Fifth Column in America - they're repigs now.

[jmowreader]

114. I've commented on those windows for a while

The Palins have commercial windows in their home. There are two basic reasons why people don't do this: they're super expensive and they don't look right in a house. But Saint Sarah has them? Not unless they were free, and it would have been simple to make them that way: order 50 windows (or whatever it was), install 30 of them in the hockey rink and have the rest fall off a truck in front of her home construction site.

[defendandprotect]

221. K/R -- amazing!!

[mwb970]

246. Hopefully she will be tried and convicted.

That's one perp walk I would watch with pleasure!

[cbdo2007]

12. I think Trig may be a robot.

[Johonny]

35. from the future

[jpak]

79. !

:rofl:

[Brother Buzz]

44. I think Trig is a theater prop

and could be hanging in some Hollywood back lot prop room.

[seabeyond]

13. the woman saying, leaking 4 a.m., went thru day, on airplane for hours away from doctor

and mosey into hospital after 12 alaska time is such bullshit, pissed me off with this woment from that moment on.

ultimate liar

it is why her mama bear makes me so mad. every parental decision she has made points to bad parenting.

[hedgehog]

55. Not to mention - given that the pregnanacy was only 7 months along,

wouldn't the normal procedure be to closely monitor her for infection while doing everything possible to delay labor? Yet supposedly labor was induced, and a healthy 6 pound child was born.

[seabeyond]

72. she was over 36 (risk), down syndrome (risk), early (risk), and leaking water (risk)

all those things would have been an immediate requirement to go to NEAREST hospital.

[PearliePoo2]

77. An e-mail turned up......

written by a man who encountered the Palins in a lounge at Sea-Tac airport in Seattle during a lay-over on their flight back to Alaska. He stopped to converse with Todd.
He expressed his surprise and apologies in an e-mail for intruding on them while Sarah was in labor.
He said he had NO idea she was in labor, since he observed her sitting quietly, reading a book the entire time.
Ms. MooseKiller, you are one sick, twisted, lying fraud and you COULD have become President.
THAT'S why this whole mess matters.


edit spelling

[seabeyond]

80. one sick, twisted, lying fraud and you COULD have become President.

THAT'S why this whole mess matters.

exactly.

and i did hear about this. i remember when the woman was declared as vp by mccain. no one heard of her or knew anything about her. within THREE hours, we had this shit on her. we knew it was bullshit. i did not hear ONE woman every stick up for her that her version of preg was even a possibility. NO doctor and NO mother that i know would leave that high risk preg to chance, .... on an airplane, with no medical care.

[Mariana]

91. And Tawd didn't have a word to say about it, apparently.

Y'know, my husband's a good, quiet, easygoing guy and he doesn't much try to tell me what I can and can't do. But if I thought I was going to do something as stupid as get on a airplane after my water broke, he'd put a stop to it somehow. I can imagine him at the airport shouting to all the airline personnel "This woman is in labor! She needs to go to a hospital now!" to get them to refuse to let me on the plane. WTF was Tawd doing while his wife was risking her life and and that of their child? Oh, right, going along with it like nothing was wrong.

That, more than anything, makes me believe the story isn't true. What man would behave like that?

[PearliePoo2]

94. The spokesman for Alaska Airlines when questioned about this....

and asked what their policy is for pregnant women flying, said in a statement that Palin's pregnant condition was not noticed.
And THIS from airline personnel who's JOB is to observe all passengers.
Ever notice how the stewards/stewardesses walk the aisle looking at your seat belt before take-off?
They have belt extenders for people that require one and that includes PREGNANT WOMEN.

(unless of course, your fake, belly PROP was packed away in your suitcase so you wouldn't get questioned or prohibited from flying while in LABOR!)

[seabeyond]

107. yup. nt

[seabeyond]

106. first preg a month early, sittin on baseball bleachers... eating. lol. water broke

hubby ran for the car, didnt put in park, lol lol.... three fields cheering and doctor saying, come straight into hospital.

2nd preg, leaking. right in.

i stopped on the first preg to wash off and change clothes. took ten minutes. doctor chewed me out.

it is absurd to think a woman would put herself and baby at risk, beyond what a husband would allow. i would be so scared to do it alone, in an airplane, with no help, with four risks....

[road2000]

149. I had almost the same scenario, seabeyond...

at age 34, first pregnancy, water broke at 7-1/2 months. My husband rushed me to the doctor, where they took x-rays and found the baby was breach. They sent us to a hospital in the nearest city, which was equipped with an ICN2 facility. Doctors and nurses were in constant attendance; at no time would it have been thinkable to take a long plane ride! I quickly had a C-section because the baby's heart rate was sinking with each contraction, even though I didn't feel the contractions. My son weighed a little under 4-1/2 pounds and was kept in ICN2 for a week until he reached 5 pounds, and they made ultra-sure he was healthy in all aspects (lungs, kidneys, etc.).

Six pounds is a large weight for a baby six weeks early, isn't it? Especially when the mother shows no signs of pregnancy.

[seabeyond]

161. that is the thing with this story. every mom that had these experiences knows it isnt true

either she just flat out lied about it all, or .....

she just flat out lied about it all

my baby was she of a month early and he was 6.9. but they had stress tester hooked onto babies head, lol, to keep him monitor. worst experience out of the whole thing.

[catrose]

202. Water broke at 11 pm

In the hospital half hour later. Baby monitored the whole time. Get on a plane? I was supposed to go Europe 6 weeks before the baby was due, and nobody wanted me to get on the plane. All that time in the air, no doctor or any other kind of help? Come on, family values Sarah.

If Trig really is hers, I vote for "She wanted him to die."

[Mariana]

232. 12 hours after my water broke, I was looking at my kid.

This was with my first child, who was a week late, and weighed 8 lbs and 1 oz. And as you said, straight to the hospital. Good lord, we all knew to do that! The only people who don't, it seems, are Sarah, Tawd, and of course all the RWers who blow off this story like it's not the least bit important or relevant (or worse, believe it and admire her for it).

I can't even imagine taking the chance of giving birth on a plane, even with NO known risk factors.

[gkhouston]

256. LOL, 12 hours after my water broke, I was just setting out for the hospital.

I sprang a small leak but didn't get strong, consistent contractions. The baby wasn't due for another month and just as I was dropping off to sleep I thought, "better pack that bag this week, and you can't let yourself get this tired again." An hour later, my water broke. My husband and I ran around like chickens for ten minutes, but by the time the doctor called back, I said, "the fluid's clear, there's not that much of it, and I'm not having strong contractions. Can we all just go back to bed?" And we did.

That said, we were less than 15 minutes from the hospital, not in a friggin' plane. I wouldn't have flown from Alaska to Texas that late in my pregnancy, period. I had an opportunity to go to Hawaii in my sixth month and I said, "for a 30-minute presentation? Here's the slides. You can give the talk."

[SpiralHawk]

109. Tawd (R) = Mephistopheles (R)

[JVS]

225. Tawd isn't a republican. He likes the Alaska Independence Party, a separatist group.

[Horse with no Name]

196. Yeah and not to mention the obvious

Delivering a pre-term baby on an airplane.

[defendandprotect]

223. Good detective work there!! Yes, NO ONE INDUCES a premie -- !!!

[spooked911]

153. that's the part that makes no freakin' sense

especially since at her age she would be a high risk pregnancy

[seabeyond]

163. people say doesnt matter. no ones business. but, she either lied about labor story

or lied about having a baby. either or....

[rubberducky]

15. It`s the way she almost always held that little guy outward and not inward that bothered me.

Always showing the Down syndrone problem, but never cuddling him. It just didn`t seem right. Seems like most mom`s would want to cuddle, comfort and shield thier newborn. I know I did.

[yardwork]

89. Dragging the poor baby around like a prop, keeping him up half the night at the convention.

Cindy McCain showed more maternal consideration to that little baby than his supposed mother showed. I couldn't believe it when Palin dragged him out on the stage at the convention at 10 pm.

[MissDeeds]

164. That drove me nuts

A special needs baby requires special care. She used that child, and as a professor who has taught classes on children with exceptionalites, I was aghast at her blatant disregard for his welfare. It's amazing she was not cited for child abuse.

[yardwork]

183. She's a psychopath. Narcissistic personality disorder. It's all about her.

[PSzymeczek]

200. Munschausen's by Proxy, maybe?

Getting attention by her kid(s).

[catrose]

203. I keep wondering who's taking care of him

There's lots of stimulation exercises you can do with Down Syndrome children. They don't include being dragged around like a sack of potatoes. It looks like everyone's too busy to work with the little guy, though.

[defendandprotect]

224. We presume that the father is the same as the daughter's acknowledged child?

That may be something he holds over them --

[Loge23]

16. If the Press can't get this right....

No wonder we're in the shape we are in this country.
Ridiculously long expensive wars, The Tea Party, Bank fraud not only tolerated but rewarded, continued deterioration of the middle class - even as many in the Middle Class support the Republicans, blatant transfer of wealth to the upper 1% - as the uninformed scream "Socialism!!".
All of this and so much more and we (the country) can't figure out yet that Sarah Palin is a fraud. Go figure.

[pampango]

17. For some this seems to be our version of the "birther" conspiracy theorists.

"Birthers" wasting their time on Obama's citizenship are not only useless, but their efforts are probably counterproductive when it comes to other conservatives trying to convince independents that Obama is wrong on policy grounds. "Birthers" tinge their whole movement with the scent of stupidity. It appeals to many of their already-committed supporters, but does nothing to attract others.

Similarly we have so much stuff to use on Palin in terms of her experience, knowledge and political beliefs that to spend any time on the issue of Trig's maternity seems at best useless and at worst counterproductive.

[SoCalDem]

29. Myth-spinners like her are ONLY vulnerable in a few areas. Motherhood is her weak spot

because it's what her rabid followers first loved about her.. It's her "hook"..

many of us KNOW she's a fake/fraud/grifter, but her fans love her & pay her lots of moolah because they overlook the stupidity.

The faked pregnancy was the ONLY way to shut her down , and it was possible at the beginning. The more time that elapsed, the more likely that she would get away with it..

Someday Bristol will write a "Mommy Dearest" & the facts will tumble out.

[tavalon]

169. Yep, it's not pointless at all, but one of the few places we can peel any

of her rabid followers away. Though she has so few now, it doesn't really matter.

[gateley]

180. I don't think anything would peel away any of her rabid followers. If the

delivery story is true, they'll use it to 'prove' how strong she is, if it's false, they'll be sympathetic that she was trying to protect her poor, misguided daughter. What a selfless, loving mother!

[whistler162]

197. It is very pointless unless you are a Republican

who is probably relishing the idiocy!

[ecstatic]

98. I think on our side people are just having fun

Nobody really cares either way... But I'm not going to eliminate the possibility that they're lying!

[pnwmom]

121. You don't think it matters if she used her daughter's baby as a political prop?

Bad enough if she used her own.

[fasttense]

18. Show us the birth certificate.

What is Palin trying to hide? Why wont she produce the birth certificate?

She must be hiding something she doesn't want the public to know.

:rofl:

So, Bristol got knocked up twice. The 1st time Palin covered for her. The 2nd time there was no cover except for Levi pretending he was going to marry the promiscuous child.

And Palin represents some kind of family values?

SHOW US THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE PALIN! (sorry for screaming, I got carried away)

[niyad]

26. still think tawwwd is the sperm donor in both cases.

[Javaman]

31. Ew. nt

[ecstatic]

34. LOL nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

111. My thought, too.

Age of the father is just as big a factor for Downs as age of the mother.

[hedgehog]

57. I don't see how Trig could be Bristol's child seeing as she gave birth at the end of the following

December.

On edit - Assuming of course, that Trig was actually born in April.

[PearliePoo2]

71. That's the reasoning they are counting on...therefore Bristol's public "outing" during the campaign.

so people would do the MATH.
BUT....the baby Palin's parents presented in the hospital hallway, as her newborn, was plump and robust, NOT a one day old, fragile, special-needs, 2 months early PREEMIE with a hole in his heart.
The baby in that picture was NOT born on April 18th, but much, MUCH earlier.

[yardwork]

90. Nine months or less is all it takes, especially with young mothers.

[snooper2]

20. So this is what 7 months pregnant looks like

[d_b]

128. and here's what it looked like in the 80s

a wild and crazy time

[PearliePoo2]

176. Ba -Boom!

Oh, and all those long hanging WalMart scarves to detract the eye??
Hasn't been seen with one since....

[Union Scribe]

215. Is the answer orange?

Pregnancy makes a woman orange!

[hifiguy]

21. Andrew Sullivan has been sniffing around this

for what seems like a lifetime. I wish he'd get off the fence and either drop it or tell what he knows. FWIW, Professor Scharlott's conclusions have more than a slight ring of truthiness.

[madrchsod]

24. flying in a airplane while going into a difficult labor....

that`s the first big red flag i saw when this story happened.

[WatsonT]

25. This is what people are spending their time on?

Who cares?

I don't know about anyone else but I could survive without any more stories focusing on Sarah Palin.

[jberryhill]

28. Honestly, who cares?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

117. +1

[RaleighNCDUer]

146. As long as she is a Tea Party winger icon, I care.

When she disappears to a well deserved obscurity, then I won't give a crap.

She is not a clown, and neither are the fanatics who worship her.

[davidinalameda]

152. and we have a winner

the first post that has shown any intelligence in this whole thread!!!!!!

[Bluebear]

235. Nonsense. If this woman is a liar the nation deserves to know it.

[defendandprotect]

226. It's about the press -- and this really isn't the biggest scam ever pulled ....

Bush's microphone was!!

No real investigation there either --

To reveal the obvious truths of BOTH of these stories requries a power shift!!

[harun]

245. Got to agree. Doesn't mean anything to me either way.

[NJCher]

266. so don't click on the thread, then

If it doesn't mean anything to you, what are you even doing here?


Cher

[harun]

269. To remind people it doesn't mean anything to them either.

Won't change a thing in my life or anyone elses. It isn't like anyone on DU thinks Palin is an honest respectable person, and this study is going to somehow sway us against her.

People got to wake up to the real issues out there. Not Palin. We waste all our energy on this type of garbage we will get nothing done.

[Chris_Texas]

30. I am curious, but....

Isn't this really their business? I loathe the Palins with a hot hot hate, but I really don't care if Bristol AND Sarah pulled trains on the fishing fleet in Anchorage harbor. It's none of my (or your) business. I REJECT the christian morality that seemingly gives society the right to intrude and pass judgement.

I don't care how "immoral" that naughty Bristol is.

I don't care if Todd and Bristol spawned the little guy.

I don't care if Sarah and Bristol's fiance were mom and dad.

I don't really care if it was Todd, Bristol's fiance, and the Wassila HS chess club getting it on with Willow.

Whatever.

But I am curious. And yes, that makes me a hypocrite. I am okay with that too. :)

[Javaman]

32. It matters because half wit failin quitter ran with Family Values

as one of her base issues. And on top of that, her bizarre push for abstinence only education.

It would have shown that she 1) didn't practice what she preached and 2)she was a complete and utter bullshit artist.

That's why this did matter.

but because none of this was investigated, we now are treated with her semi-daily utterances of colossally stupid claptrap. Which, in turn, help spur on the ball licking tea partying halfwits.

She hasn't been in the press a lot lately and I'm grateful for that.

[Atypical Liberal]

115. YES IT MATTERS

When you have someone on the "conservative", "family values" ticket lying about reproductive issues, it matters a lot.

This is a person who was running for the second highest office in the land. Someone who would have a lot of influence over reproductive legislation.

If they can't be honest about teenage pregnancy in their own family, it's extremely telling.

[mzteris]

151. it matters that she's a liar

cause no matter which theory you follow - she's lying somewhere about some of it.

It's either Bristol's - and she lied.

Or she lied about the whole labor thing - though why?

Or she desperately wanted something to keep that child from surviving.

[Nictuku]

175. Health insurance for a Down's baby

.... is very costly. Putting the Baby on Palin's own insurance probably saved them a bit of $$. (just a motive that I haven't seen discussed). And in that light, then we are talking committing fraud on government health insurance.

[Ilsa]

178. And they didnt want a grandbaby on public health insurance: Medicaid. nt

[SoCalDem]

194. Aug 29, 2008 ..we did discuss it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3880189

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Aug-29-08 01:57 PM
Original message

Why the Palin "baby" story matters.. It's INSURANCE FRAUD

for starters..

A 16 yr old child will eventually become too old to be covered on the parents insurance, and I'm betting that Mrs Guv has some pretty nifty insurance, as does Mr BP-OIL, so if the baby is "Theirs", that handicapped child will have all the care he will need, BUT

if he's the child of their unwed daughter, no doubt they would end up raising the child anyway, if she plans to go to college..She would probably have insurance coverage for herself while she's in school, but who's gonna pay for that child's coverage, or take care of him,while she's a carefree college student?..and how will she "land a husband" with a handicapped baby?

if she kept the baby, and managed to finish college, that child's disability would surely present a "pre-existing" condition to just about any HR person she would interview with..

I can understand why the parents would want to "help her out", and this sort of thing happens all the time, but for her parents to phony-up the whole thing and claim the child as theirs is ..well..deceptive and insurance fraud..

[defendandprotect]

227. hmmmm....... wouldn't insurance company want to see birth certificate?

[Arugula Latte]

33. Wait -- Trig was born 4/08; Tripp was born 12/08, right?

I don't think it's possible that Bristol had both unless they lied about Trig's birth date.

[tammywammy]

36. The people that are really into this

Do think they lied about Trig's birthday.

[reformist2]

59. Take a look at "pregnant" Bristol at the convention.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTrFtbhve91fv4OTwvYJyjDdQmHtTWm4cR7GmPrdNOZRVaodaY9NQ

[ecstatic]

40. Irish twins?

With one born a little early? }(

[SoCalDem]

54. I have Irish Twins..12 months & 10 days apart

:)

[ecstatic]

82. I can't imagine

It's one thing to have them both at the same time, but to have one, see how exhausting it is, and then go through 10 months of carrying another one while caring for a newborn? I think I'd lose my mind!

[Epiphany4z]

118. My sister was born 10 months after me

this if a fun thread to read but ehhh not like it matters...I mean I could not dislike the woman anymore than I already do, I tend to think the baby is hers. Downs baby is more likely to have an older mom and how many people would have to keep this quite? folks are just not that good at that sort of thing.

[gateley]

182. Happened to a woman I worked with who thought she couldn't get pregnant

practically immediately after giving birth to her first son. I think that happens a lot.

[SoCalDem]

195. I thought our Steven was "the flu"

:rofl:

[Dappleganger]

92. Dh's mother and uncle were Irish twins...

10 and a half months apart.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

95. I do too! 6 days less than a year apart.

:)

[jeff47]

45. It's covered in the story. It says they may have lied about Trig's birth date (nt)

[SoCalDem]

51. The prof must have read what I wrote back then

:evilgrin:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3912640

and


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3879229

[JuniperLea]

49. WHAT??!? Palin LIE??!??

Probably.

[SoCalDem]

56. Trig was probably born in Late Feb & probably weighed 5 & change

that gave Sarah a timeline to work with..to plan the faked date & pretend to be pregnant..

when his weight was "okay", she "birthed" him.. with the aid & abetting of her gal-pal doc in that podunk hospital..away from prying eyes..

[PearliePoo2]

75. SoCalDem......

You are right on the money about everything...GOOD SLEUTHING!
:applause:

[ecstatic]

37. If so, Bristol needs to return the 260k she accepted

under fraudulent pretenses. One time mistake my ass! On a side note, if true, I think they would have had to keep it from Levi too. There's no way he would keep this secret!

[Aerows]

39. After finding out about the plane ride, etc.

and seeing the pictures, there was no way I believed that was her child anymore. I don't know if it was Bristol's or some child she came up with to generate sympathy, but her story has more holes than a doughnut factory.

[ecstatic]

41. Maybe Todd's love child? nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. Think Track. He went into the service and his girlfriend was a "babysitter" for Trig

on the campaign trail. I read about this in some article at the time, and she never took photo shoots with the family.

[Myrina]

103. hmmm - now THERE'S an idea ....

:thumbsup: I don't for a minute think that Sarah Palin was pregnant when she was on that plane, or is Trig's birth mother in any way, shape or form. Nor would I put it past her to 'buy' a special needs child just to make herself look 'motherly' and more in line with the Republican 'family values' crowd.

[rbixby]

252. Great thought!

I could see a campaign making it through one out of wedlock pregnancy, but two? Then its not an accident, its horribly bad parenting!

[tammywammy]

47. That plane ride never made sense

Okay, let's say it's true and her water had already broken. So, would a governor (or really any woman) risk being splayed in an air plane aisle spread eagled giving birth? I mean, her career would have been ruined on the spot for taking such a risk and then the humiliation of having tons of strangers watch you give birth. So what's more likely, she wasn't in labor or that she'd prefer to risk such an incident to "give birth in Alaska"?

And if she was truly in labor, WTF is wrong with her??? That doesn't make sense at all. What kind of mom takes risks like that???

[sonias]

172. WTF is wrong with her???

Great question. But you know we will never figure that one out. Suffice to say she is totally nuts.

:hi:

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. Academic my arse

It's just a long conspiracy theory. Which didn't manage to give a coherent reason how Bristol gave birth in late December, only 8 months later. It just had to say "they lied about the existence of Tripp".

[HipChick]

52. MSM expose the liar..

so we can make sure that she won’t ever be heard again especially for 2012 or 2016

I won't be holding my breath

[fascisthunter]

43. wierdness surrounds that trash

[chervilant]

212. Weirdness, too... n/t

[tuckessee]

46. What a waste of time and money.

That idiot pointy-headed PhD should have his tenure revoked and given an internship at the National Enquirer.

[JuniperLea]

48. Yeah? What's your academic pedigree?

I would think it very lofty since you feel so strongly about this and you appear to be speaking from superior knowledge.

[EFerrari]

63. Well, judging by this thread, a lot of people are interested.

[LanternWaste]

86. I imagine the only thing that's more a waste of time

I imagine the only thing that's more useless, ineffectual and a waste of time and money than the paper itself would be commenting on how badly it's a waste of time... :shrug:

[Lorien]

108. Not at all. It's not really about the kid or who the mother is; it's about deception

and why our entire mainstream media participates in it. The implications go way beyond this one small story.

[SoCalDem]

198. and the fact that he's a handicapped child made it all "possible" for her

He will only know that he's loved, who he loves, and probably will never accidentally discover something "odd" about his birth.. It might have also played a big part in why Bristol would let him go... I DO think that she may have had regrets, or maybe was bullied into releasing him & maybe that's why she was pregnant again so soon..

[HipChick]

53. The Wild Ride story is SO far out that you’d really need to be pretty gullible to fall for

[hedgehog]

58. The paper doesn't mention Bristol's curious bout with mono -

that meant she had to drop out of school and go live with an aunt for a while, IIRC.

[gkhouston]

69. Drop out of school, I can believe. Live with an aunt? Yeah, 'cause no one's

ever heard that story before. :eyes:

[yurbud]

60. this is the real ''birther'' issue--though for the life of me I can't figure out why it matters

to anyone outside her family.

And I think she is a nitwit and charlatan.

[hedgehog]

61. The real question is whether she used her power as governor to

intimidate people and otherwise perpetuate a fraud.

[defendandprotect]

229. It's about power -- power to cover up -- and lack of investigation by PRESS....

HOWEVER ... it's a much smaller story than 2000 or the

"microphone" up the back of Bush in the debates!!

[Matariki]

67. It doesn't really matter....

except that it demonstrates what a pathological liar she is. And to what extent she'd go with her lies.

[Fuzz]

68. This is EXACTLY like the story of Esther in the bible, right?

[cali]

73. fucking ridiculous. because someone writes a supposedly academic

paper, Palin is the child's grandmother. Unless the prof has DNA proof, it's just more stupid.

[The Doctor.]

74. This is sad.

They really put the dysfunction into their lives.

[AC_Mem]

76. Since she isn't doing anything besides spouting word garbage

right now, I don't think anyone really cares. HOWEVER, if she had, or if she does, plan to run for President (which she won't), then I think a full investigation should be done, absolutely.

DNA isn't hard to get if someone really wants to find out information like this (hello National Enquirer). And of course, she should show the country the birth certificate, because "we have the right to know". If the birth certificate and the dna match Sarah being mother and Todd being father I would be extremely surprised.

There is a huge cover up that has been going on in Alaska since 2007. McCain choosing Palin was a purely emotional and idiotic decision - I think he thought she would be his Hillary. Bzzzt. Wrong. Thank GOD he didn't become the President - can you imagine where we would be right now under his presidency? :: shudder ::

If anyone wants a really good read - get Game Change. Boy does it show Sarah in a blinding light.

I think she is mentally ill.

Annette

[pipi_k]

78. True or not....

I can't imagine why it's so all-fired interesting.

yeah, so Palin ran on "family values" bullshit. Big deal.

If she is the grandmother, it wouldn't be the first (or last) time a "family values" freak turned out to be a hypocrite.

I mean, isn't there enough evidence already that she's vulgar?


And really, if anyone thinks this story, if proven true, will turn her followers against her, I have to ask what rock that person has been hiding under. Groupies always have some excuse for their idols...

:eyes:

[JHB]

83. How ironic: "Release the birth certificate!"

Notice how it took a business magazine to have a
"serious news outlet" write about this?

[Zax2me]

88. good grief don't say that

It will drive the talk for Obama to release his.
Bored with all that.
BORED

[eridani]

233. So? Obama already has released his birth certificate n/t

[live love laugh]

126. Good grief DO say it. Release Trig's birth certificate! nt

[Urban Prairie]

93. Either Trig Tripp-Palin or Trig Todd/Track+Bristol-Palin or Trig Palin-Johnston or

Trig Palin-Someone, or Trig Someone-Palin...but Trig is def. NOT the baby of Sarah AND Todd Palin. Sarah is either the grandmother or step-grandmother or step-aunt-mother of Trig.

[defendandprotect]

230. Does anyone have a clue what these names mean? Do they relate to anything?

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[librechik]

97. Can this hoax story get as much coverage as Trump's many hoaxes?

what do you think?

[Scurrilous]

100. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Enthusiast]

101. We guessed that some time ago. nt

[d_r]

102. thank God for tenure

[pnwmom]

105. Well, well, well. Looks like they really don't want her to win the primary! n/t

[abelenkpe]

110. Sigh

I just want Sarah and all news of her to go away. She's such an embarrassment.

[Anakin Skywalker]

112. Trigonometry?

[GeorgeGist]

116. After doing a bit of research on ...

Associate

Professor Scharlott I have opted to unrecommend this Birther post.

Prof. Scharlott would like to stress that this paper is not the final version - it's a preliminary version, a work in progress, and there will probably be additions in the future

[RagAss]

119. The Aristocrats !

[Dappleganger]

131. As titillating as this topic may be...

I thought we were above this?

:shrug:

[Demeter]

135. Who Gives a Damn, Anyway?

Palin's insurance company, maybe. Let them rat her out.

[JDPriestly]

138. Bristol Palin gave birth to her sonTripp around December 27, 2008.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.html

The portion of the article that I find rather questionable is the idea that Bristol had a baby in April 2008 and then another the following December.

The author presents no evidence that Trig, the child that Sarah Palin claims as her baby was born earlier than April 2008. At least I did not notice that evidence. He simply theorizes that Trig could have been born at an earlier time but doesn't present any evidence to that effect.

If say, Trigg had been born sometime in February 2008, then there would not be enough time for her to become pregnant again before Tripp's birth.

It is kind of odd that the two rather unusual names are so similar.

I don't totally reject Scharlott's theory, but I think that it raises many question and therefore is just a theory. I do think that in this case, Palin should be able to produce a birth certificate although, of course, a birth certificate could be forged. Doesn't Alaska have a registry of births? Doesn't a parent normally inform the state government when a new baby is born?

[RationalistMom]

177. There's no evidence of that.

There is no evidence that Bristol Palin gave birth on December 27, 2008. People.com ran a story citing an email from Palin's aunt in Idaho who said the baby had been born. Anchorage Daily News cited People. And every news outlet - from the LA Times to AP to the BBC - cited People or ADN.

Neither Tripp nor any pictures of Tripp appeared until February in an interview with Greta Van Susteren.

[JDPriestly]

259. How old did Tripp look in the pictures in the February interview?

[bbinacan]

140. Oh bullshit.

This makes as much sense as the birthers claims.

[scarletwoman]

141. Congratulations. You just gave the media machine the perfect "both sides do it" equivalency

to trot out while Donald Trump campaigns for president.

sw

[trumad]

237. I think some are missing the point here....

Sarah did not need to jump in with Trump...but the minute she did, all bets are off, hence the Baby shit.

Love it

[Wednesdays]

142. Shiny thing...oooh, shiny!

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

143. I can't and won't have an opinion on this. The only strange detail that doesn't make any sense

Is the flight back to Alaska from Austin, TX after her water broke. (an admission she made herself)

[Search4Justice]

144. Frankly my dear..

... I don't give a damn.

[HopeHoops]

148. That's what I've been saying all along. You don't get on a plane after your water breaks.

[struggle4progress]

154. But, really, who cares? It would be an unfortunate story, if true, but it is just a big and

pointless distraction from more important issues

We cannot know whether it this story is true: whether or not it is true, it is merely ugly to dwell on it; promoting it serves no useful purpose

As far as I can see, Sarah Palin has no political future; she may wander about, seeking attention, but I can't see any reason to give her such attention, positive or negative

[mn9driver]

155. The pictures tell the story.

She wasn't pregnant. Even women who show very little during pregnancy (and Palin showed a LOT in her previous ones) have a rounded lower abdomen in the last trimester. Hers is absolutely flat in the photos where she was supposedly 7 months along.

I hope she runs again just so this story can come out. The MSM won't touch it otherwise.

[cameozalaznick]

181. Here's the picture that I think tells the story

Forget it, I don't know how to post pictures.

[jc20]

156. LOTS of research already done. Check out...

the best current site -- politicalgates.blogspot.com

the first -- palindeception.blogspot.com

the continuation -- palingates.blogspot.com

the funniest in fall of 2008 -- cajunboyinthecity.blogspot.com (search for palin posts)


It's like the weirdest novel that's never been written. From day one, I suspected Sarah Palin did not give birth to Trig, and I'm relatively sane. But even so, the only person I've ever discussed this with (out loud) is my husband.

Dismiss it as unimportant -- maybe it's easier to now, now that Palin's shot herself in the foot one too many times. But I'd like to know what in her background convinces anyone that she WOULDN'T be capable of hiding her daughter's pregnancy to avoid loss of her "family values" image, and adopting said baby -- with the pure political gain as just a lucky coincidence, of course.

[underpants]

157. Mark for later read

[bluestate10]

159. I don't care who is Trig's mother. I want Palin to vanish into the hole where

she deserves to be.

[mwb970]

241. This will hasten her demise.

The woman is essentially made of dishonesty, lies, and narcissism. The sooner she is crumpled up and thrown away, the better.

[OwnedByFerrets]

160. Media too worried about seeing the Presidents Birth Certificate

[ThoughtCriminal]

162. Alternate theory - Sarah was hoping that it would not survive

The trip from Texas is a huge clue - I can't imagine what else she could have been thinking except trying to minimize the chances of survival. The secrecy and non release of medical records to prevent disclosure of a complete lack of prenatal care.

Abortion was not an option, but if "God" took care of the problem, that's OK.

[seabeyond]

165. i dont buy that simply because her own health was at risk while in plane with no medical

supervision. regardless, we know she thinks an awful lot about herself and wouldnt put self at that risk.

[Auntie Bush]

179. That's what I thought all along. nt

[LisaL]

166. The child has down syndrome, which would be consistent

with having an older woman for a mother. I do find the story of her flying after she supposedly started leaking amniotic fluid peculiar, to say the least, but I don't believe Bristol gave birth to Trig. For one, the dates don't fit, and for a young woman it would be much less likely to have a child with down syndrome.

[HipChick]

173. Actually, 80% of babies with DS are born to younger woman

[LisaL]

174. It's because younger women have more babies.

However the risk goes up the older the mother gets. Palin was in her forties and therefore her risk of having a child with Down syndrome is much higher than it would be for a younger woman.

"Advancing maternal age. A woman's chances of giving birth to a child with Down syndrome increase with age because older eggs have a greater risk of improper chromosome division. By age 35, a woman's risk of conceiving a child with Down syndrome is 1 in 400. By age 45, the risk is 1 in 35. However, most children with Down syndrome are actually born to women under age 35 because younger women have far more babies."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/down-syndrome/DS00182/DSECTION=risk-factors

[AlbertCat]

171. Who cares? Just GET THAT BABY OUTTA THERE!

Before it's too late and the poor thing becomes another Bristol!

A nice gay couple might be able to teach the child to not become a Palin.

[inna]

184. this is just... disgusting. 189 net recs, really? sad.

[gateley]

185. I've guiltily enjoyed this thread although I agree that ultimately

it doesn't really matter he's really a grandson -- it's just fun to trash her. :7

I think the Track theory is something that could be valid, too.

[Taverner]

186. Doesn't the professor have a better use for his time?

I mean - this validation is not going to change a single mind. Her fans will always love her, even if she eats puppy testicles - and everyone else will hate her.

This has tabloid value at best...

[cynatnite]

187. The difference between this birther crap and the Obama birther crap...

is that the Obama is born of pure racism. It's more insidious.

This is just plain idiotic and makes people look foolish, IMO.

[doublethink]

188. This is great ..... lol ...... link for a refresher course ......

http://www.palindeception.blogspot.com/

[Unvanguard]

189. People have authored "academic" papers about how evolution or climate change is nonsense, too.

I'm not buying this.

[Matilda]

192. Link to another website with photos

which compare real pregnant mums of 32-33 weeks with Sarah Palin at supposedly the same time along.

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2008/12/nail-in-coffin.html


The big thing for me is getting on a plane when water's are leaking, or even if they weren't, she admitted she'd had some pains. You just would NEVER, EVER, do that if you're in any way a responsible person.

And as for the fake tummy - about as real as Nicole Kidman's first. It just never quite works in real life the same way it does in a movie studio, where you have an assistant to keep checking that it's all in place.

[Tx4obama]

207. And here another website with tons of photos

http://palingates.blogspot.com/search/label/babygate

[Matilda]

211. Extraordinarily tight muscles for a fifth-time birther!

And one might ask what kind of doctor would tell her patient to get on a plane with leaking amniotic fluid and
the beginnings of contractions? I wouldn't recommend her to anyone.

[aikoaiko]

199. I'll wait until its publlished in a peer reviewed venue before calling it an academic paper.

It sounds like the same old stuff from the primary/presidential race.

[Blue Owl]

205. Real DUers aren't into Palin birther threads

:boring:

[SoCalDem]

208. well hoot-hoot to you too

been here since 2001..feels real to me

[JVS]

220. Bullshit.

[Bluebear]

240. Who died and made you king?

[Beacool]

210. More proof that there are conspiracy nuts on both sides.

This professor appears to have too much time on his hands. We should stick to the woman's politics, which are bad enough, without going bat sh*t crazy and question whether Trig is her child.

:crazy:

[HipChick]

222. Except this isn't getting any exposure by MSM..not like the RW side which is given max news coverage

[Ozymanithrax]

214. Was Trig really born in Kenya?

Inquiring minds need to know.

Where is his long form birth certificate?

[Name removed]

228. Deleted message

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[defendandprotect]

231. The really "MASSIVE" fraud was W's earpiece/mike in 2000 debate -- and 2000--!!

And lies of 9/11 --

MASSIVE -- !!!

I'm glad to see the Palin story as an example of inaction of press --

but even for this story to be resurrected makes clear that it is weaker -- the LESS

massive of other hoaxes pulled on the American public -- and not pursued by the press!!


How much more obvious could W's "wire" running down the back of his jacket have been?

How much more obvious could the 2000 steal have been?


And how about computer voting -- stolen elections?

Yes -- many more MASSIVE HOAXES -- and we do need a power shift to enable truth!!

[ExPatLeftist]

234. SO WHAT?

Yeah yeah, if this is true we could prove she lied. Proving that Sarah Palin lied is like proving that the sky looks blue. BFD.

ALL that this does is make us look as nutty as the birthers and gives them the "both sides do it" excuse and allows her to continue her martyr routine. This hurts the Democrats. Please stop.

[nicky187]

236. I hope that...

Dr. Scharlott is tenured. Here comes the outraged backlash.

#sarcasm We all "know" that Trig was probably conceived through immaculate conception. #sarcasm

[MrsBrady]

239. I just read his paper --

to me the larger point here...

is that while the Palins have not released any birth certificates to quash the rumors, the media gives her a pass. AND there are real questions
about the events and circumstances surrounding the birth of Trig -- that don't have any good answers. And Palin has refused to answer them.

And yet the President of the United States who decided to make his birth certificate public is continually hounded and disparaged.

He raises some interesting points over all.

The problem is is that there is no definitive proof that she is the mother, but also none that she isn't.
I think part of the problem is that Palin is so used to lying, they probably lied about this too -- even when they didn't need to.

[KurtNYC]

250. Does the author really expect that our media would investigate this?

or anything? The MSM doesn't do investigative journalism on this or any issue. They put Trump on and let him spout racist crap -- expecting investigative journalism on cable news is like expecting Hooters to serve 5-star food.

[MrsBrady]

263. no, i don't think he does

he states in the paper that he felt he needed to do the journalism on it, because he hadn't read any on the story much.

[geek_sabre]

242. A woman's uterus is her own damn business. Regardless of her political leanings

There is nothing academic about that paper.

[mwb970]

243. We have people that have been studying it....

...and they cannot believe what they’re finding.

[Buzz Clik]

247. I'll wait for the movie to come out. And I won't watch that either.

Irrelevant.

[doublethink]

248. One more link ......

http://www.palindeception.com/

[HughBeaumont]

251. Everything about Mama Griz's baybeh story smells like an Ohio landfill in the hot summer.

If she DID deceive the American people on this, what the hell ELSE is she getting away with up there?

Debate closers are simply going to have to deal with the fact that as long as the idiot media are still throwing her discredited ass out there as a potential presidential candidate and paying attention to her (for whatever reason), questions like this are going to follow her no matter how implausible they seem. You gotta admit she's not exactly the most forthcoming person for all of the attention she demands.

[LynneSin]

255. I don't think she's Trig's grandmother, I think she's the step mother

I think with the timing of Bristol's baby it was nearly impossible for her to be the mother of Trig.

But the rumors have been strong for years that Todd and Sarah have both been unfaithful in the marriage. What if Todd knocked up someone? As a governor, she had enough power to hid the facts from the public.

The other option was that it was Track's kid and he knocked up some girl (the oldest son).

[proud2BlibKansan]

267. I used to say this was a pointless story. But not anymore.

If the wing nuts want to play Birther Bingo I now say bring it on.

[pipi_k]

268. So an ironic thing about the calls for Trig's birth certificate...

Even if it were released, I'll bet anything there would STILL be some here insisting that it had been falsified.

That Sarah and Todd paid to have it altered. And they also must have paid every doctor and nurse involved in Bristol's prenatal care and delivery. Or maybe they had all those people killed? Because, you know, people are notorious for telling secrets. Yeah, that's it. They had the doctors and nurses murdered and fed to the grizzlies.


Because, like, they knew when he was born that she would be running along with John McCain someday. And they also knew that people who would support her would be turned off by their teen daughter's unwed pregnancy, just like they were when she announced she was pregnant by whats-his-face and....uh...wait. No. Her supporters weren't turned off by that. In fact, they supported her even more because of the touching backstory...


It's all a huge plot

OK I get it now.