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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:22 AM Original message |
Sugar: It Could Be Worse Than You Think |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. "...isn't a scientist..." If sugar were toxic, wouldn't the entire world be |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. Almost everything is toxic in big enough amounts |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. pure oxygen is very dangerous, and under some pressure its toxic. eom |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I did not know that - thanks |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. learned about the toxicity of oxygen from scuba... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. really....wow |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. not necessarily, but anything that can oxidize will rapidly oxidize (creating heat, flames, etc.)... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Think Apollo 1. That capsule had pure O2. BOOM. |
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KeepItReal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. So much for my brown-sugar-is-better-for-you theory |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Raw organic honey. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Stolen insect regurgitant. sounds good. eom |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Never cared for the taste, really, but |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. how 'bout milk! eom |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. Only if it's in a box. nt |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. Honey Is Awesome |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
105. Brown sugar now days is just white sugar with molasses added n/t |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
4. I use Stevia. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Me too. And honey. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. Me three. |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
6. something will eventually kill me. I choose sugar and bacon. eom |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Death by a mound of perfectly cooked bacon, fresh sourdough bread, |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. And beer. Don't forget the finisher. Die with a smile on your face. nt |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
7. Never use sugar, only sugar substitutes and don't eat meat, |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
12. M O D E R A T I O N |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
83. +1 n/t |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'd like to read the NYT article |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Not a problem. |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. Living is dying. I can think of worse ways to go than sugar. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Indeed. My TIA woke me up to both my mortality and the |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I have an illness, and I relate to the "small, indulgent pleasures." Life is brutal enough |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. Exacto mondo. People are so afraid of dying that they don't realize |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
23. I stopped reading when I saw "not a scientist". |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Exactly. nt |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. A Journalist |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. And the vast majority suck at it and/or manipulate it to cause controversy. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Science |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #23 |
100. That's your loss, then |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
25. Well, I'll be dead in a few weeks then |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Three Kinds Of Foods |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Name a food that won't kill you if you consume too much in a small time period. nt |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Not Discussing Abnormal Amounts |
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Prometheus Bound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. Apples |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. This post is pure BS. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Your post is pure BS |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Sugar does not affect blood pH directly |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:15 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. The blood pH thing is common alt "medicine" quackery. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Un Natural |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. LOL, a, AA molecule is an AA molecule, whether it is "natural" or "artificial" is irrelevent. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Synthetic and Natural |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Bullshit. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Nature Trumps Man |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. The only toxicity from Aspartame is if you drink the equivalent of 200 cans of pop. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Industry Talking Point (200 cans) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. That is the point, that stuff is harmless under a certain amount. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Wiki Has Been Compromised For a Long Time |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Your paranoia makes any reasonable discussion impossible. |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Still Waiting |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. so much worry...so little time. eom |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
33. So which has more sugar |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
34. And doing without will lengthen our lifespans by how much? |
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theophilus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
35. HFCS is in SO MANY things that you wouldn't suspect. If they just didn't |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
39. Sugar isn't so Bad, but HFCS is Frankenfood |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:53 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. How is it "frankenfood"? |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Because of the "processing". |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Unless you eat raw meat after killing the animal or pluck fruit/veggies and eat them fresh |
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Pathwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I have well water. Not so processed. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #53 |
64. ...and most people don't |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Actually, there are various categories of processed foods |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. "Picking an apple" was my example of UN-processed |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
93. Processing that changes the natural chemical structure is generally bad for you. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Dr Frankenstein's monster was not genetically modified either. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. "Frankenfood," everywhere I have seen it used, refers to genetically modified food |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
106. The article says they're pretty much the same. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
44. Whatever, now what about that nuked milk with growth hormone and oil soaked seafood. |
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Kber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
50. I'll read the article, but my ingoing bias is that putting Sugar and HFCS |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. There is every way to know processed SUGAR is harmful .... |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I wonder how many avocados the early hominids ate? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Are you suggesting there was no vegetation? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. there weren't any avocados in the African Rift Valley. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. And no nuts -- ? Or other vegetation -- ? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Learn a little paleontology |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. That wouldn't have been right wing propaganda to create violence, would it? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Paleontologists are tools of the right? LOLZ!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Paleontologists in the Garden of Eden? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:58 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. What do biblical fairy tales have to do with anything? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Myth often points us to truth -- distorted and buried -- but truth -- |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Whatever. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. Do you understand symbolism? The symbol of the APPLE? |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. so in a discussion that started about sugar |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. OK -- you don't understand symbolism -- bye -- |
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yawnmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. I get my fat from the most best source available. bacon. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. I'm sure it also made the pig happy!! |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
72. Don't call me SUGAR!!!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
99. You can call me HONEY!!!! Bless the bees -- for health and sweetness -- !! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
80. The ignorance and pseudoscientific in this thread is astounding. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Right -- we need more kids drinking Pepsi -- and rotting their teeth while growing fat --!! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. You are putting words in my mouth. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
95. The scientific method is a RW tool, doncha know? |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
81. Sugar was originally used as a spice, not as a foodstuff. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. Difference between natural sugar -- and processed sugar -- and -- |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I'm pretty sure your liver and gut |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Your body doesn't care if you eat a pear -- or a cookie with sugar sprinkled all over it? |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. When the individual components are broken down |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. Every vegetable and fruit nourishes a different part of our body -- |
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Curmudgeoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
86. I don't give a shit. I would rather have a shorter life and |
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stuntcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
96. I'm lucky, I don't even want sweets often :) |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
102. Could be, but maybe not. |
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