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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 06:43 PM
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Miss C blogs about Bronx charter school year. Felt like "chess piece, robot, warden, inmate..."
and performer."

I can read minds here. Many are thinking oh no dear god here comes madfloridian with another education reform post....spare us the pain, make her put it in the education forum so we don't have to see it.

But I don't discourage easily. I know I can't make a difference, but at least I can point out the foolishness of what is happening to the great tradition of public education in America. I will have at least tried.

The words in the subject line are the words of a first year teacher about her year in a South Bronx charter school. This is a fascinating blog post, she brings out the details in a painfully clear way....and she shows that the ones really being hurt by some of the extreme education reforms are the children.

"Reformers" have used the talking point that teachers and their unions only care about themselves...they say their own education reforms are about only about the children.

In my view it is in reality about making students conform to existing standards artificially set by
those who will profit financially from the students. Standards that make sure they fall in line and stay in line. They are not standards about real depth of learning.

Hat tip to the Schools Matters blog for this sad and moving critique by Miss C. of her charter school experience.

In my opinion, the meat of the issue when talking education policy is how changes to our public schools impact the lives of those people in the classroom. If you take it a step further and focus on a very specific topic - say, for instance, early elementary literacy - you're bound to find some very interesting reflections from thoughtful, trained, caring educators.

In the blog post I've linked to below, a teacher with training in literacy studies reflects on her experience in a corporate charter school. Here's a brief introduction (via Mary Ann Reilly's blog):

Guest Blog: This blog post was written by Miss C a former graduate student of mine who spent a year working as a first grade teacher at a charter school in the South Bronx (NYC). Miss C completed a Masters of Professional Studies in Literacy, a graduate program that ironically privileged the arts and situated the study of "literacies" within a sociocultural framework. The charter world that Miss C describes represents a fundamentally different understanding of teaching, learning, children, and developmentally appropriate practices than what she knew and learned at college.


That is an important point known by nearly all teachers who have studied the learning processes of children....what is being done by the reformers is known not to work. It does not produce in-depth learning, and it is more like the I say it you learn it, click your fingers twice, stamp your feet 3 times type learning. It is scripted.

Miss C does some guest blogging at Between the By-Road and the Main Road.

Miss C Recounts Teaching at a South Bronx Charter School

Charter schools are public schools, and can be started by and run by anyone. It is not uncommon for them to be operated by people who have no background in education. They are funded by a mixture of government money, private donations, and grants, and are often situated in areas of high poverty, where applicants are chosen by lottery. Charter schools offer longer school days, smaller class sizes, and "rigorous, standards-based instruction". They also offer a militaristic and strangely corporate environment that emphasizes the importance of order, obedience, and product above all else. Everything has a set protocol and predetermined vision of result, usually dreamt up by administration. I spent ten months feeling like a chess piece, robot, crusader, warden, inmate, and performer, sometimes all at once. It was a very long year.


She titles her next section "Lights, Camera, Action: Battling the Script"

Scripted teaching was really getting started just as I retired. There was absolutely little or no freedom for the teacher to speak in the classroom outside of the lesson plans. That insults the intelligence of the teacher, and it stifles the creative responses from children which are a wondrous part of learning.

So I sympathize with this section so much.

Having worked in a school where instruction was more or less designed by the teachers, I had naively assumed I would be doing the same at my new school. Instead, I was horrified to discover that my entire day was scripted. Reading, writing, math, science, and social studies all had their own stacks of teaching manuals and supplies, dictating every utterance and activity for teachers and students. I distinctly remember a line from a four page script in one of the math lessons wherein the teacher was supposed to rap multiples of 10 to the students. “After each verse, say 'unh' two or three times in rhythm,” it directed.


Ah, that reminded me of the 60 minutes segment on a NYC charter school.

There was a part where the teacher in a bored repetive tone said "clap once, clap twice, stomp twice, clap, ready". Here's the video from 60 minutes.

That is one of the methods used by many in the education reform movement...repetitive chants and words done in rhythm. Nothing wrong with it per se...but the kids are not stupid and soon they catch on that it means nothing at all.

More from Miss C:

This part she entitles "Kiss My ASSessments: Tales of Testing"

Note the part about the kindergarten and first graders spending two days filling in bubbles.

When a charter school is "born" so to speak, it is aligned to an actual charter stating that the school will meet certain goals (i.e., test scores) within a specific time period (usually five years). If the goals are not met within the five years, the charter could potentially be revoked and the school could be shut down. With such heavy pressure to obtain high test scores, "rigorous" curriculum takes on whole new meaning. In addition to hours of scripted instruction, most of which was test-based, the students were also subjected to relentless test prep delivered from thick, scripted manuals. Upper school (grades 3-5) designated Fridays as test prep days, since the kids left at 2pm rather than 4pm. On Fridays, they literally spent the entire day doing nothing but test prep. The younger grades were spared, at least until May, when my first graders were forced to endure test prep for the Terra Nova exam, a torturous experience for all of us. Even the kindergarteners took the Terra Nova, a test which required children to sit for an hour and a half session on two separate days and bubble in answers on a recording sheet. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry at the absurdity of it, although I did chuckle when one kindergarten teacher told me how her students blurted every answer out loud after she read them the questions. Test scores determined merit pay, and "testing season" was regarded as the most important time of the year.


Parents in some areas are waking up to what is happening. Maybe it's the image of little kids filling in bubbles instead of soaking up information that will enrich their lives. Maybe it's the tears or the tummy aches.

I had a long career in the teaching profession. I took courses, I learned new skills and ideas. SO this next part of the blog of Miss C was the very hardest to read and the saddest of all.

She calls it "Another One Bites the Dust"

When I worked in the suburbs, teaching jobs were scarce and highly coveted. Teachers got jobs in schools or districts and built life-long careers there. Unlike most public schools, charter schools do not offer contracts, tenure, or a union. Teachers sign “letters of intent”, stating that they intend to work in a position for the school year, that they can be fired at any time with or without cause, and that they are free to leave at any time. Staff changes are frequent. At my school, since teachers were more or less viewed as factory drones, replacing them was swift and emotionless--when people quit, it was often not even mentioned at the weekly faculty meeting. A face was absent, a new face was in place, and life continued. During that one year, seven teachers quit between September and May, one was fired, and five more (myself included) resigned in June. Quitting was often the result of utter exhaustion and depression; the demands and the micromanagement were often more than teachers could bear. I considered leaving every day up until June 25th, wavering back and forth on a near hourly basis and hanging on only by desperate determination to see the year through and a begrudging sense of obligation toward my students. Those who left earlier forfeited two months worth of salary they would have been paid if they’d given 30 days notice (we were paid over 12 months). Out of those seven teachers, only two had new jobs lined up. The other five opted for unemployment.


Teachers came and went, not even an acknowledgement of their presence or lack of presence. No way for the little ones to get comfortable with a teacher or develop a rapport with them. That's a negative thing.

This is how the new "reforms" work all too often. There are exceptions, but not very many.

I have seen the way governors and education commissioners have talked down to and treated teachers as though they did not have the brains to come in out of the rain. No one in leadership speaks out in support of the teachers, no one says enough is enough.

The worst of it is the contempt for teachers, the outward display of it, the lack of anyone speaking in teachers' behalf...the worst began two years ago. It could be stopped.

I doubt it will
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:12 PM
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1. They might as well spend their time popping shrink wrap bubbles as what they are doing
Edited on Fri Apr-15-11 07:13 PM by Generic Other
My teachers worked overtime to keep me learning. I mastered filling in a bubble on tests pretty fast. If I had been made to "practice" constantly, I would have turned in tests that looked like bubbled crop circles. Connect the dots, patterns of circles--that would have engaged my bored attention. I can see Leonardo drawing the Mona Lisa in dots and flunking NCLB. I can imagine him writing backwords, lefthanded in Esperanto and failing NCLB. I know one concert pianist who played her recital pieces backwards as a child. She would have failed NCLB. But a kid who practices and learns to fill in a bubble with a #2 pencil? A compliant rule follower who doesn't get out of line ever.

That passes for intelligence.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:16 PM
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2. "bubbled crop circles"
Or perhaps Christmas treeing the test. Start in the last bubble moved down to the third in the next line, then the 2nd, and so on. Then when you reach the first bubble, you go to the last again.

Good post. They are looking for "compliant rule followers."
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:17 PM
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3. I'm still surprised that we manage to attract teaching candidates
I would've thought just about everyone would be warned off by now.

But no, they keep showing up each semester. Love 'em.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 07:55 PM
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4. They may be unaware since the main media doesn't tell them.
All they hear is the reformers' side. But I would think they would sense the attitude change toward teachers...it's pretty obvious.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:05 PM
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34. Those of us
who want to teach tend to be subversive in the face of the current corporatist assault on teachers. We have to pretend to be all about RTTT and meeting federal and state guidelines (eg, teaching to the test), but we get into our classrooms and do what it takes to make learning fun, and to ensure that our students have at least one 'aha' moment during each of their class periods. For the 'good' teachers (and there are far more of us than Rhee or Gates or Duncan would have you believe), student success is the big brass ring.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 08:06 PM
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5. k&r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:02 AM
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8. He really is a pirate, you know.
Your picture. Perfect description.

:hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 07:58 AM
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12. More and more each year.
He keeps revealing himself.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 09:53 PM
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6. She hopes that the pendulum will swing.
I do, too. But at the rate these reforms are going, there is not much chance of it.

"It is thoroughly frightening and depressing to see what is occurring in education these days. The gaping chasm between the have and the have-nots seems to widen with each year, while the "remedies"--scripted instruction, charter schools, value-added assessment, and increased standardized testing, to name a few--manage to pointedly avoid dealing with the root of the issue while imposing the most miserable conditions upon innocent children and hard-working teachers. I hope that the pendulum will eventually swing and that the opportunity for individual thought, authentic instruction, creativity, play, and shared teaching and learning will eventually be available to everyone. I've seen schools like this; they do exist. As Kozol writes, “The schools where children and their teachers are still...given the opportunities to poke around in the satisfactions of uncertainly need to be defended...These are the schools I call the 'treasured places'. The remind us always of the possible."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-11 11:50 PM
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7. Arne said a strange thing today. Says we fail if we don't prepare them for the workplace.
Sure some of that is involved, but real education goes way beyond that.

His words:

http://heraldargus.com/articles/2011/04/15/news/local/doc4da8861d63859337712457.txt

"“If our children aren’t prepared for the workforce, we’re not doing our jobs as educators,” Duncan said. “Right now, there are 2 million high-skill, high-paying jobs that are unfilled in the United States. Our schools have to learn how to partner and do things in different ways to get kids the education they need to take these jobs, and many of them are in the STEM fields.”

I have a question. Where are the high-skill, high-paying jobs of which he speaks?

There is so much more to education than that.

There's an interesting comment after the Miss C. blog:

"Teacher-proof materials will never be what kids need, and will always insult and enrage teachers. If people running charters knew anything about educating children they would not require such materials or the regimented school day you describe.

JCG wonders in the Comments section what business wants from us. I don't think we should worry about what business wants when we are educating children to be actualized human beings who have developed their own interests and talents. I remember when I worked in NJ one of the seven categories of state standards was "Workplace Readiness". Wonder what that would involve, and how it got into the standards."
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:36 PM
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20. he`s full of shit about those high skill jobs.
if there were 2 million high skilled jobs they would be filled today. that high paying is a sick joke.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:29 PM
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22. As a parent and teacher I value an outlook that will help children
to survive in the future. Readiness for the working world is essential as is the ability to be able to learn new skills. I wouldn't recommend a school that didn't emphasize workplace readiness.

Frankly, I don't think that the schools are doing a good enough job in teaching our children about the skills needed for adulthood. If they were, we wouldn't have such a high drop-out rate. It's a shame that we allow children to go through the school years thinking that "money grows on trees." All children deserve to be prepared for the eventuality that they will have to be able to support themselves.

Even with my preschool students we talk about why they come to school.

"To be able to get a good job that they enjoy when they grow up" is one of the reasons. I tell them that they will always be learning new things even when they're as old as I am. They know that I just learned how to do an extra job after school and that I'm excited about it.

Here's a link to Florida's Standards.
http://abeflorida.org/pdf/Resource_Guides/work_checklist04.pdf
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:58 PM
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23. That's a pretty general statement. Getting a job should not be the only goal...
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 03:02 PM by madfloridian
of education. And a lot depends on the capability and choices of the students. Don't forget the parents as well....they do play a role in their child's life and future. Right now the emphasis is on teachers and their "failures"...that's how they plan to get the "reforms" they need.

Many of those millions of jobs are for skilled labor, not just high tech.

Of course education needs to contribute to training the student for a future, but it seems that the new reforms are making it the only purpose of education.

I think I was pretty clear and have been clear that schools hold some responsibility, but teachers can not be held to blame for everything a child does.

It's not fair to parents to let them off the hook, and it is harmful to the kids not to hold them accountable.

When getting a job is the only requirement of education, it will not be a true education.

Your link appears to be to an adult education site, so the workplace readiness would make a lot of sense.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:42 PM
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29. The children who are most successful in my experience
have parents who are very involved in the education of their children. Their kids come to preschool really ready to learn, and they are coached along the way well into adulthood. I've seen it so many times after having taught young children in the same community for over 40 years. I know or know of many of my students
now that they are grow.

But, many parents just don't know what to do for their kids to help them be prepared for life, as much as they love their children and want them to succeed. Many parents haven't had role models of their own to help them be successful in school or in the working world. What do they have to transmit to their children?

Of course, teachers aren't to blame. It's much more than schools being about academic achievement. Even the "brightest" students grow up to make poor decisions when it comes to work and parenting. It's a vicious cycle and I have only a glimmer of an idea about how we as a society can begin to correct it. The public schools should do better in the area of curriculum development so that all children can learn the life skills that their parents would provide if only they knew how.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:57 PM
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32. And what I have been posting about almost daily....
is the fact that the "reforms" take money FROM public schools to give it TO in many cases unregulated charter schools that are run by private companies as a business.

So as they defund the public schools they keep demanding more.

They have had to make public schools and teachers look bad so they can privatize education so corporations will have access to taxpayer money and government money.

The whole thing reeks. There is much good in public education, but since Reagan's time the propaganda has worked all too well.

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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 04:22 PM
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35. You're right about the de-funding of education and thank you for
your work that shines the light on the demise of public education.

Privitization is the name of the game and the perps have no shame about who they will harm (including the students) to get all the money.

History will be rewritten and canned knowledge that fulfills the needs of the owners will be transmitted to the students. Libraries will disappear and future generations will never know of this glorious country that once held such promise.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:10 PM
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25. Every job I've had
has demanded creativity, flexibility, inspiration, problem-solving ability, and more.

I dunno what kind of jobs they think they're preparing kids for with rote memorization and filling in bubbles, but it's not anyplace I'd want to work.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:16 PM
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27. China is now saying their students have lost creativity and problem-solving ability.
So they are heading back to the days before such high-stakes testing....just as we are heading there.

Arne and Obama say they don't want all that high-stakes testing, but then they say they are going to test even more often. You can not test like that and not have it high-stakes.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:46 PM
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30. I don't even understand multiple-choice testing
I'd rather have a middle school student who is able to talk about the causes and aftermath of the Civil War in general terms than be able to say what date something happened or where something happened or which generals were fighting in a particular battle.

Being able to talk about the causes and aftermath demands interdisciplinary thinking (literature, farming, economics, geography, European history, African-American history, industrial history, history of settlement patterns, and history of colonialism, among others) while a literal approach is just memorization of facts in isolation from one another. I'm not saying that facts and details aren't important, I'm saying that they need to be in context, and that the context is more important than the details.

Unfortunately, context cannot be measured by filling in a bubble.

(If I was the dictator, there would be very few facts and no standardized tests under 4th grade. Reading, basic math, telling time, some vocabulary and spelling, some grammar and punctuation would be pretty much it, plus art, creative writing, sports, music, nature studies, and so forth.)
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:37 PM
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50. That is all knuckle dragging simpletons can comprehend.
The actual fact that LEARNING can be rewarding in and by itself DOES NOT MATTER...NO, you prepare the next generation of mindless drones to go out into the workforce so they can embrace a lifetime of mediocrity. It is sad that the Education Czar is narrow minded and unfocused on what really matters - a well rounded education and hopefully an interest (or a love, we can hope) or hunger for knowledge beyond what the beltway robots want from our children.

I swear they want to take critical thinking out of the system to make way for 'productive instructions' on how to be a worker robot and love making minimum wage. Liberal arts be dammed, never make any money doing that anyway. :sarcasm:

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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:22 AM
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9. I knew we were heading for McTeacher-dom...
I didn't think it would be possible to arrive in less than ten years.

;(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 07:31 AM
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11. Didn't seem to take long, did it?
And the moneyed and powered class won.
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Sniper Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:21 AM
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40. The education takeover
The money and power class won because the Democrats waded waist-deep in the Swamp of Test and Punish and abandoned teachers completely. As I said to my husband during the last SoTU address, "I just fucking love working in an environment when a Democrat president can't mention education without bashing teachers. Fun times."

And by the way, I subscribed to DU because of your education posts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:20 AM
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41. Yes, it is the education takeover. And...
Wow, thanks for the nice words. They mean a lot. You are right, everytime Obama or Arne mention teachers they sound condescending.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 02:59 PM
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24. +1
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anneboleyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:53 PM
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31. It's happening in universities too -- the corporate robot-professor who won't offend the trustees
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:23 AM
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10. This makes me so sad. It's clear these are nothing but
factories, where human beings don't matter much. She deserves credit for hanging on so long. I don't think I could last more than a week in such a place.

This is not learning. But I don't think learning is the goal.

I wonder if the teacher drop-out rate is as high in other Charter schools.

If someone were to try to come up with the 'worst teaching experiment ever' this would be it.

But from the time Bush introduced his cynically named 'no child left behind' 'education' program, most teachers I know were appalled. It was a for profit, corporate model put together by businessmen. I was hoping it wouldn't last too long, but it's been nearly ten years now, and the money being made means it will not be changed any time soon.

Thank for your posts. Please do not stop writing them. This issue is so important and people really appreciate the work you do to keep us up to date on what is going on.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:12 AM
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14. "'worst teaching experiment ever"
Agreed. And the most dangerous yet. The money being taken from public schools and being given to charters won't be heading back.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 08:28 AM
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13. recommend
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 12:00 PM
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15. Does this not sound eerily like the old Soviet Union?
I'm beginning to see the same tactics being force on us in the public schools.
It's one of the main reasons I'm leaving the profession.
The sense of frustration & futility is becoming overwhelming.
Teachers are forced to be drones & robots describes it very accurately.
The students will end up as drone & robots, too.
Guess that's what the corporate rulers need......drones & robots w/o the ability to think for themselves.....no thought of revolting against their captors.
:cry:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:14 PM
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17. Except that the old Soviet school system produced a literate population
I knew people who went to the old Soviet Union to do graduate research, and they all reported that Russians were great readers (they read books--not just potboilers, either-- on buses and subways) and had a wide range of general knowledge.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:14 PM
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26. In Soviet Russia...
...test takes you!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:07 PM
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16. "the teacher was supposed to rap multiples of 10 to the students"?!
Whoever developed that curriculum has about as much street cred as Michael Steele. Hell, maybe it was Michael Steele. :eyes:
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 07:39 PM
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36. Yeah, that's the thing.
It reminds me of "Waiting for Superman" where there's two white guys who start a charter school and they notice that one of the teachers (a black first grade teacher) was teaching her kids with raps about math. It seemed successful, so they wrote it into the required curriculum.

"Best practice"- except that's not a technique that everyone can pull off. What works for a black woman teaching black kids, won't automatically work for a white women teaching black kids. She would look ridiculous and would lose credibility.

Kids respect teachers who are being real, being themselves. They don't respect teachers who are listening to audio tapes through clearly visible ear-pieces and condescendingly trying to "reach" them through a cultural medium that is completely alien to the teacher. That's why "best practice" in teaching has to be tempered by common sense.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 08:16 PM
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37. So if charters would hire more African American teachers
instead of fresh-faced white kids straight out of college...

As far as I know, there is one charter that does that. It's the one in Chicago that boasts that 100% of its graduates were accepted to college. Of course, the City Colleges of Chicago have open enrollment, so any Chicago high school grad who applies is accepted...
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:15 PM
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18. kr
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:16 PM
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19. It actually sounds racist - who wrote these instruction manuals???
Edited on Sat Apr-16-11 01:17 PM by reformist2
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 01:37 PM
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21. wanna bet it was a white person?
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:20 PM
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28. Fascism kills humanity
Stand up and fight it, or humanity dies.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 03:58 PM
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33. Thanks for posting this, madflo. Chilling as it may be, we need to know this is
taking place and being pushed as the future of our educational system.

REC.

I have a friend whose daughter completes her college teaching requirements in two weeks. The young woman is very excited about her new career in teaching. I can hardly wait to hear what she has to say.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 09:42 PM
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38. I guess ones who have so much vested just don't want to know.
They are probably more comfortable not knowing the situation. Soon the public school tradition as we know it will only be a memory, and some will find the new normal very normal after all.
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:09 AM
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39. This method of 'teaching' sounds like such a charade,
reinforcing institutional conformity- people shut down in this kind of environment since it lacks authenticity. This sort of experiment in the schools sounds more and more like conditioning than education, and that is deeply disturbing. The students who 'succeed' in this environment are better players, not thinkers.

This is a form of repression and it never works the way the system anticipates, because human beings are creative. Bored human beings end up turning to other sources of entertainment and stimulation--and learn very quickly there is a system in place they want nothing to do with.

I think this system, if it continues will create a larger counter culture, it has happened before. But along with the counter culture are those who are 'assimilated' into the non thinking, role playing and ruthless behavior that is rewarded. The choices are to 'beat them or join them'--repression creates polarity, psychologically and socially. Yet one more way to divide the country.





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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:38 AM
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42. Pls keep covering this issue, madfloridian! It takes a long time for people to pull their heads
out of the sand. But like the I Ching says, "perseverance furthers."
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Snoutport Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:45 AM
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43. kr important stuff!
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 02:32 AM
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44. "Many are thinking oh no dear god here comes madfloridian"
And just as many (surely more) are thinking, "Here comes madfloridian, I'd better read her post to get the latest on the topic."

K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:34 AM
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45. Heh heh
Thanks, but you would be surprised how many think I am taking up valuable space in the GD forum and that education posts don't belong here. :)
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 11:51 AM
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46. It's fucking disgusting what's happening to education.
My mom's an educator - I've grown up around them and know several of them - and the GOP's war on education is one of the worst things to happen to this country. Everyone needs to know about the dangers of charter schools.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:12 PM
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47. As a mom worried about the
direction of education in this country I really appreciate all of the time and effort you put into your posts. I have several left leaning friends who have recommended the movies "Waiting for Superman". I haven't seen it yet but from what I've read of your posts and links it sounds like charter school propaganda. I'm thinking of watching it anyway just so I can send them information debunking the film. Do you know any good links?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:23 PM
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48. Here's a link.
To remind the ones who eagerly await the movie Waiting for Superman:

Bill Gates Foundation allotted 2 million to advertise Waiting for Superman.

I don't think the box office results were too good, despite all the free publicity and the media blitz by Gates.

Yes, it is an advertisement for charter schools...and an attempt to make public schools look really bad.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:20 AM
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51. thanks!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 08:29 PM
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49. My heart goes out to anyone that has the GUTS to teach in public school.
Bless you, you have a thankless job that idiot leaders want to get rid of and replace with a robot.

If the GOP could find one, they would have robots teach school.

HA! An image of a robot trying to explain 'intelligent design' to teens comes to mind. Chuckle.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 03:50 AM
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52. That was a horrifying read.




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