I am a federal employee. About three years ago, my organization required a change/update to our IDs

[CatWoman]

Everyone had to go to security and provide them with documentation, primarily our birth certificates, in order to meet the security requirements and be issued the new IDs.

I had to send an application and about $25 to the State of Virginia for my birth certificate. I have no idea what happened to the copy I had. It was lost during my many moves while I was in the Army.

What I got in the mail was the "certificate of live birth". Virginia, like so many other states, no longer issue birth certificates. And I presented it to security and got my new ID with no problem.

I guess what I'm really saying is Donald Trump and the birthers are all full of shit.

If my certificate of live birth meets federal government requirements, just who the fuck are those guys to DEMAND someone's birth certificate?

This goes double for that silly assed law waiting for the Arizona governor's signature.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

1. Couldn't agree with you more.

Don Knotts: "Boy, the guy that wrote that must've been some kind of a nut!"

Wave file audio link: http://www.rosswalker.co.uk/tv_sounds/sounds_files_20100522_6746301/andy_griffith/nut3.wav


Sorry, I'm having fun tonight equating the Arizona birther law to Deputy Barney Fife from the Andy Griffith show. :hide:

[CatWoman]

2. now why are you insulting Barney like that?

:hi:

[Lone_Star_Dem]

3. Too true!

I should have said linking it to his quotes. First I insult bloated peacocks today, and now poor Barny. I'm just mean today it would appear. :shrug:


:hi:

[Gormy Cuss]

4. I knew it. You're an alien.

:hi:

We knew Trump and the birthers were full of shit. They're the ones who can't grasp that.

[cleanhippie]

5. My daughter, who is only 19 months old, only recieved a Cert of Live Birth.

From the state (washington) there IS no "birth certificate" to be had. Period.

[rufus dog]

10. I have two teenage daughters both born in CA

Their 'original' 'long form' birth certificate is .... A Certificate of Live Birth!

[jberryhill]

6. And the same document would also satisfy the AZ law

Frankly, I'm thrilled that AZ passed their birther bill.

Because the same certified document from Hawaii we've seen a zillion times would satisfy the requirements.

In fact, it is precisely BECAUSE states like New Jersey, for example, can require proof of citizenship at birth for the presidential ballot that the Obama campaign HAD ordered a mess of them from Hawaii in the first place. That's why the one we've seen a zillion times was issued in 2007 - that's when they ordered them.

The reason I get chuckles from the thing is that AZ will pass its law, Obama will still get on the ballot, and the birthers will go bananas trying to figure out how that happened.

[Wilms]

7. It's only an issue because WE entertain it.

Geez. Even Bill O' is smacking them down. Let him handle it. We have other (real) problems.

[tnlefty]

8. Well, I just went to the metal box, where all things important

are kept, birth certificates, social security cards, vaccination records, etc., and I'm looking at my youngest's and it's an embossed certificate of live birth. It states that he was born Feb. 22, 1995. The physician's signature is 3/1/95, and the clerk's signature in Nashville in 3/16/95...

OMG, I should investigate my son's birth.

Now I have the oldest's certificate of live birth, and it's on green paper, with the embossed seal, as opposed to the youngest's being on white paper...states birthdate is 2/10/90, the physician's signature is on 2/16/90, and the clerk in Nashville's signature is 2/27/90. This change in paper color must mean SOMETHING. Ah shit, I had to request the short form for this one at some point, and the short form is white, with a blue border and a gold seal on it. He must be investigated twice.

I won't go look for the middle child's certificate, as I now must investigate the circumspect births of these two, and throwing a third into the mix, will be more than even I can handle, and these color changes with embossed seals, although different on the short form...my head spins at the implications of that which throws my sons under further speculation.

[jberryhill]

9. Actually, if you order one from your oldest child now...

What you get from the state will look just like the one that most states now issue.

The reason for this is that most states no longer make a certified photocopy of a microfilmed document, but merely print out the standard data record on security paper, stamp it or seal it, and hand it over.

The reason this issue has legs is because a lot of people, not having had a need for one in a long time, are utterly unaware of what modern state-issued certificates look like, and a good many of them think the souvenir papers that hospitals used to give out are birth certificates.

So many people are confused by the hospital souvenirs, that a lot of hospitals stopped giving them out because people are so godammed dumb.

[tnlefty]

11. And apparently my smartassed humor zipped right over your

head.:hi:

[jberryhill]

13. With birther stuff, one never knows

It's amazing what people in general do not know about birth certificates.

Yes, I got your humor.

Yes, it is posted on a public website visited by people who can't wrap their head around why Obama's birth certificate doesn't look like a decades old paperthey have in their sock drawer.

[CatWoman]

15. not mine

:rofl:

that was funny as hell :rofl:

[tnlefty]

18. If I made you laugh, my mission here on a Friday is complete!!

Listening to Malloy and apparently these freaks want a cert for circumcision. I don't have any of those, so my kids are under further scrutiny...I shall be paranoid about my own kids even further now!

[CatWoman]

19. my oldest brother isn't circumcized

he was the first of my siblings born in a hospital. And he was/is the first boy.

Afterwards it was required of males at birth.

[tnlefty]

20. It wasn't required of mine at birth, and the mr. and I had an

in hospital 'public' fight about having it done to our first, who is still circumspect, as he was 7 weeks pre-term, and he'd had so many needles and he still has scars on his heels where blood was drawn, and I just couldn't bear the thought of anything else being done to him.

His certificate of live birth doesn't matter, and I don't have this 'other thing' without giving access to his birth records or his just whipping it out, and from my perspective, having more males just whipping them out in public isn't necessarily a good thing! And I have three under suspicion, and without circ certs. Whatever shall we do?:rofl:

[rufus dog]

12. Exactly!

I believe mine has a cross, and the baby Jesus. (although it might have Jesus on the cross)

[Ilsa]

14. I just got mine from 1958. A certified copy

of the original record here in Texas. It looks the same as my kids' certified copies of their records, printed on pretty paper, stamped, embossed.

[Blue-Jay]

16. A COLB is fine for us white folks.

Sorry about your luck, Negroes!

:bounce:

[CatWoman]

17. SQUIRREL!!!!!!!

:hi:

[Blue-Jay]

21. Two for the price of one:

(CMW gets all the credit for this one)

[CatWoman]

22. LOL

I've missed that :)

[Blue-Jay]

23. You know what I've always liked about you?

You "get it".

You don't need a "sarcasm smiley" to recognize sarcasm, and you don't sweat the dumb shit. (plenty of dumb shit goin' around, yeah?) You never lose your cool, and I would stab a motherfucker in the neck to be able to reach that level calm introspection.

[emcguffie]

24. I apologize for being so uninformed.

But just what is a birth certificate, and how is it different from a certificate of live birth?

I know that there is one that comes from the hospital and another one that comes from the county clerk. I know that when I recently renewed my driver's license the one from the hospital was not acceptable.

Would someone who knows be so kind as to enlighten me?