Watching "The Kennedys" on the Reelz Channel. Flawed but compelling, with great performances.

[Faygo Kid]

It's a rainy Saturday here in DC, and I am enjoying this. I truly believe Greg Kinnear deserves an Emmy for his portrayal of Jack, and Barry Pepper for his portrayal of Bobby.

I'm a long-time DUer, so am not posting this with an agenda. I was 12 when JFK was killed. For those of us my age, it was yesterday.

[dsc]

1. I watched the whole thing

and was pretty impressed overall. I admit they do savage Joe Kennedy, who frankly wasn't the most positive figure, but the actor was great. I do have major problems with Katie Holmes as Jackie but otherwise I would give it good reviews. Plus it helped me find brothers and sisters from the beginning so that was nice.

[Faygo Kid]

17. Great cast, flawed biopic, but well worth watching. And Greg Kinnear was incredible.

His JFK was amazing. If he doesn't get an Emmy nod, there is something wrong there.

[Le Taz Hot]

2. I didn't care for it.

It was a little too made-for-TV for me. REALLY loose on the facts (Bobby DID have an affair with Marilyn) and there is no evidence that Jack was doing any type of deep introspection about his infidelity. It glossed over how we got out of the Cuban Missile Crisis (by removing our nukes from Turkey). The name of the program is "The Kennedys" but featured Joe Sr. & Jr., Jack, Bobby, Ethel and Jackie only. Nothing on the rest of the Kennedy "kids." No mention of Kit or Eunice's works. Not even a mention of Teddy. I don't know, I just thought it was sensationalism. :shrug:

[Faygo Kid]

3. Thoughtful post. Thanks. But I think the performances brought it alive.

I remember all of it, as a kid. I visited the Kennedy Library a couple years ago, and it was probably the most moving experience I have ever had. And I have been to Gettysburg.

[dipsydoodle]

9. Did Rose Kennedy

really have a a voice like Katherine Hepburn ?

[trayfoot]

63. Yes, very close.

[Prof Lester]

11. RFK did Marilyn?

Presumably you have proof? Let's see it please. You can't just go slandering a hero without some proof. And please don't tell me "everybody knows" because I don't any such thing. I know a bunch of stinking Repug liars have been slandering the man for year and years. They never presented any damn proof either. So lets have it.

[WillyT]

19. Well... He's A Hero Of Mine Too... And Although Your Point Is Well Taken...

That's some pretty cool slander.

:hide::evilgrin::hide:

:yoiks:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

[Faygo Kid]

29. He was shot and killed. Laugh away.

I have nothing else to say to you.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. The day he died I went into Manhattan to pray for him at St. Patrick's Cathedral and I'm

not even a Christian.

Take your sanctimony elsewhere.

[Faygo Kid]

37. I apologize. I jumped to conclusions.

We were all affected for the rest of our lives by what happened. I admit when I'm wrong.

I was wrong here.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

38. I accept your apology. I loved Bobby and still weep when I see videos of him. I'm crying

as I'm thinking about him now. Both of us are of the same age and losing JFK, MLK were traumatic but somehow, maybe because I became more political by that time, Bobby's passing has affected me the deepest.

Peace.

[Faygo Kid]

39. All the best, and I'm going to make you cry now. But it's worth it.

I'm going to always be your friend here on DU. Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdTOHVJWDz8

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

43. Thank you Faygo Kid and

:hug:

[defendandprotect]

65. Thank you -- and I've never seen that pic of JFK before -- beautiful -- !!

[anneboleyn]

62. I love that kitty-cat. I feel the same about RFK, and I wasn't even born yet.

I always plan to tell you that I love that picture. My kitty used to make a very similar face when he got a bath! It always brightens my day when I see that pic. My baby boy is gone now (he was an old man for his breed -- he was eighteen when he had to be put to sleep). I always think of him and smile when I see your picture. Thank you for the happiness boost.

On Bobby, I feel the same way you do, even though I wasn't even the proverbial twinkle in my father's eye at that point. I wonder what our current situation would be like if Bobby had gone on to win the presidency. It crushes me to ponder the possibility because I think we wouldn't be in anything approaching our current circumstances. We would have superior social programs, fewer Vietnam dead and perhaps a better relationship to that war (I am projecting here but it would have been possible if RFK had been elected in 1968), and I think we would also have a robust democratic party bolstered by the legacies of the twentieth-century greats (FDR, and then RFK as a beloved two-termer, just for two of the examples).

[cali]

30. it's widely rumored, but I don't think there's proof-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe#The_Kennedys

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. I think they cut out the other Kennedy children because they didn't want to take on more costs to

hire the parts out. Every now and then you'd see a random kid or kids and wonder which one they were.

[True Earthling]

21. Marilyn & RFK did not have affair... according to Deputy Director of FBI

It is usually assumed that Robert Kennedy did have an affair with Marilyn Monroe. However, William Sullivan, who was Deputy Director of the FBI under Hoover claims that this was not the case. This is what he had to say about this and other matters it in his autobiography: The Bureau: My Thirty Years in Hoover's FBI (1979):

Although Hoover was desperately trying to catch Bobby Kennedy red-handed at anything, he never did. Kennedy was almost a Puritan. We used to watch him at parties, where he would order one glass of scotch and still be sipping from the same glass two hours later. The stories about Bobby Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were just stories. The original story was invented by a so-called journalist, a right-wing zealot who had a history of spinning wild yarns. It spread like wildfire, of course, and J. Edgar Hoover was right there, gleefully fanning the flames.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4166

[defendandprotect]

31. Rightwing, needless to say, has been anxious to smear JFK and RFK in any way possible --

and though I've read some of William Sullivan's writings --

hadn't see this before --

It is usually assumed that Robert Kennedy did have an affair with Marilyn Monroe. However, William Sullivan, who was Deputy Director of the FBI under Hoover claims that this was not the case. This is what he had to say about this and other matters it in his autobiography: The Bureau: My Thirty Years in Hoover's FBI (1979):

Although Hoover was desperately trying to catch Bobby Kennedy red-handed at anything, he never did. Kennedy was almost a Puritan. We used to watch him at parties, where he would order one glass of scotch and still be sipping from the same glass two hours later. The stories about Bobby Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe were just stories. The original story was invented by a so-called journalist, a right-wing zealot who had a history of spinning wild yarns. It spread like wildfire, of course, and J. Edgar Hoover was right there, gleefully fanning the flames.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4...




PS -- This is an interesting read -- "Blowback" by Wm. Turner --

http://www.amazon.com/Rearview-Mirror-Looking-Other-Tails/product-reviews/1883955211/ref=sr_1_6_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

[anneboleyn]

61. Thanks for this link. Sounds like it was a right-wing smear against RFK

[dixiegrrrrl]

4. I did not realize it was shown anywhere, after reading it had been pulled.

I guess I thought it had been pulled from distribution overall, not just the ...Discovery? History?? channel.
Wonder if it will make Netflix....

[Le Taz Hot]

5. It's OnDemand if you have Comcast.

Iirc, it's under TV Series.

[eleny]

10. Thanks! We have Comcast but not Reelz and yet it's here on our On Demand

We'll check it out.

[chatnoir]

24. For free and in HD too

Found it under Hot Picks...

[dipsydoodle]

6. Its running in the UK

on the History Channel : started last week.

:hi:

[BeyondGeography]

7. Reminded me that Jack is the most inscrutable Kennedy

All the others are pretty straightforward characters, pretty well played in this series, especially Wilkinson as the old man. But Kinnear really struggled, I thought, and for good reasons. Jack in real life was alternatively a cad, war hero, indifferent, compelling, complicated, insightful, competitive, charismatic, bored and nihilistic. Part of what keeps the mystique going is he was rather mysterious in the end.

[Faygo Kid]

8. He will always be mysterious. And would have been 100 in six years.

Astounding. If you have never been to the JFK library/museum, you have to go. It is incredible: http://www.jfklibrary.org/

[anneboleyn]

60. We thought Wilkinson, one of our favorite English actors, did a marvelous job as Joe Kennedy

This is a great point about Jack. I agree -- this is what makes him so compelling -- he was ultimately a hard-to-read, sort of "inward" person in the sense that his true self seemed cloaked in a series of public identities. I am not quite sure how to put it, but "mysterious" seems a perfect summation of what I am trying to articulate.

[defendandprotect]

12. Happen to have gone by it as "Bay of Pigs" was being re-enacted --

Think that the actual tapes of JFK during Cuban Missile Crisis give a better

and more valid look into the insanity of the Joint Chiefs -- but they didn't

do too badly in the scene I saw of one of the Joint Chiefs trying to push JFK

around and into BOP. Don't know if there are actual tapes of those discussions,

however -- MIC by then was largely out of hand propelled by McCarthy Era which

was still infecting politics.

Unless and until this series confirms -- as HISTORY CHANNEL used to do -- that

the rightwing assassinated JFK and not only took our president but our people's

government, then it shouldn't be recommended -- except for acting, perhaps?

As they begin to cover "The Enemy Within" -- the Mafia and RFK -- I'd just comment

that the MAFIA only exists at the pleasure of elites in government who use it and

its expertise for their own gain.

Let's see what happens now -- will be watching for a bit yet --

[True Earthling]

26. "the rightwing assassinated JFK" ? - please explain...

That's a broad accusation... do you have any proof? any details you would like to share?

[Octafish]

27. Here you go.

'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam

On JFK's White House tapes:

What JFK Really Said.

PS: Welcome to DU, True Earthling. Intersting, your 109th post.

[defendandprotect]

32. Thanks Octafish ... was going to begin by asking how much....

he didn't know!

Thanks for the info, as always!!

:)

[True Earthling]

36. I can't see the RW connection.

Can you be more specific?

What's so interesting about my "109th post"?

[defendandprotect]

50. How much do you know about the JFK assassination?

And why do you think anyone but the rightwing would want to kill JFK?

[True Earthling]

54. That's it - that's you're reasoning?

I need a lot more than that to buy into a conspiracy theory. How about some verifiable facts.

[defendandprotect]

55. That's your reasoning? I'm asking you what you know, so that I can firgure out what info

to give you --

For instance, are you familiar with Fletcher Prouty -- "JFK" And the Unspeakable" --

Jim Garrison, Jim Marrs, Martin Lee --

or the Tunnheim Panel -- JFK 1992 Classified Records Act -- and their conclusion that ...

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY

ALSO BY THE FBI" --

the History Channel Series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and its conclusions --

Familiar with Madelaine Brown at all -- LBJ's mistress -- see YouTube for her info.


Give us a clue -- on which to base some info for you!




The Rightwing Kock Bros. Funded the DLC -

http://www.democrats.com/node/7789

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x498414

[True Earthling]

59. not very credible...

the History Channel Series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and its conclusions --

The ninth documentary in the series, titled "The Guilty Men", directly implicating former U. S. President Lyndon B. Johnson, created an outcry among Johnson's surviving associates, Johnson's widow, Lady Bird Johnson, journalist Bill Moyers, ex-President Jimmy Carter, Jack Valenti (longtime president of the Motion Picture Association of America), and the last-living (at the time of the outcry) Warren Commission commissioner and ex-President Gerald R. Ford, who lodged complaints of libel with the History Channel. They subsequently threatened legal action against Arts & Entertainment Company, owner of the History Channel.
The History Channel responded by assembling a panel of three historians, Robert Dallek, Stanley Kutler, and Thomas Sugrue. On a program aired April 7, 2004 called "The Guilty Man: A Historical Review", the panel agreed that the documentary was not credible and should not have aired. The History Channel issued a statement saying, in part, "The History Channel recognizes that 'The Guilty Men' failed to offer viewers context and perspective, and fell short of the high standards that the network sets for itself. The History Channel apologizes to its viewers and to Mrs. Johnson and her family for airing the show." Conspiracy author Barr McClellan, interviewed in the documentary, complained that while the historians examined the evidence, they did not interview him or Turner.<4>
All three new documentaries by Turner ("The Guilty Men," "The Smoking Gun" and "The Love Affair") were then permanently withdrawn by the History Channel, though they were originally slated to be viewed at least annually on the History Channel until the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination (November, 2013).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Killed_Kennedy

Text

The JFK Classified Records Act Panel's job was to oversee the release of information... not to make judgments, interpret or to draw conclusions as to what the evidence means....

The ARRB was not enacted to determine why or by whom the murder was committed but to collect and preserve the evidence for public scrutiny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_Records_Review_Board

Did Tunnheim actually say this?... I doubt it. It would be extremely irregular, unethical, unprofessional and stepping way out of bounds. There is absolutely no corroboration of this statement anywhere on the net except by you, here on DU. Apparently you're the only witness on the planet who saw this...

the Tunnheim Panel -- JFK 1992 Classified Records Act -- and their conclusion that ...

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY

ALSO BY THE FBI" --

*********************************

Before that happened however, they did a documentary on the 1992 JFK Classified Records Act Panel which was headed by Tunnheim. At the end of the one hour documentary, Tunnheim repeats twice -- with the text displayed below that: --

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE FBI" --

Presumably they would have seen Oswald's work records -- W-2 forms and IRS reports.
Journalists had immediately asked for this evidence at the time of the assassination and the information was denied.

The documentary played about four months and then disappeared.
Ironically, I had a copy of it -- but not the last part of it where Tunnheim repeats these words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1657789&mesg_id=1664909

[defendandprotect]

64. OK -- so what you're making clear is you are a JFK coup denier --

"The Guilty Men" was threatened with "legal action against A&E" --

LBJ family remains still powerful and the fact that they have managed to hide

his life long corruption and murderous history is credit to that.

"failed to offer context and perspective" ... :rofl:

Conspiracy author Barr McClellan, interviewed in the documentary, complained that while the historians examined the evidence, they did not interview him or Turner.<4>


Who wrote this for Wiki -- McCann? Meanwhile, Barr McClellan was a lawyer for LBJ -- certainly

someone who well knew what was going on. Didn't interview Turner?

And the FBI/CIA's guy Gerald Ford helped out -- along with Moyers/Valenti Texans -- ?

Who would have guessed?



Oh, spanky for Tunnheim Panel !! -- tsk tsk

Yes -- Tunnheim did actually say this -- as my DU post makes clear --

Sadly there is widespread corroboration for Oswald being CIA just about everywhere --

From government memo reporting that he was trained in intelligence and sent to Russia --

to CIA whistleblowers.








----------------------------

Before that happened however, they did a documentary on the 1992 JFK Classified Records Act Panel which was headed by Tunnheim. At the end of the one hour documentary, Tunnheim repeats twice -- with the text displayed below that: --

"OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE FBI" --

Presumably they would have seen Oswald's work records -- W-2 forms and IRS reports.
Journalists had immediately asked for this evidence at the time of the assassination and the information was denied.

The documentary played about four months and then disappeared.
Ironically, I had a copy of it -- but not the last part of it where Tunnheim repeats these words.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[True Earthling]

66. Denier? No... I would say it's more like unconvinced...

re: LBJ

This is the basis for your RW conspiracy?

Text

In 2003 McClellan published Blood Money and Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K. In the book McClellan argues that Lyndon B. Johnson and Edward Clark were involved in the planning and cover-up of the assassination of John F. Kennedy. McClellan also named Malcolm Wallace as one of the assassins. The killing of Kennedy was paid for by oil millionaires such as Clint Murchison and Haroldson L. Hunt. McClellan claims that Clark got $2 million for this work.

The assassination of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. According to McClellan this resulted in a saving of over 100 million dollars to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmcclellan.htm

This Amazon book review of Blood Money and Power: How L.B.J. Killed J.F.K. tells me all I need to know...

The old 'LBJ did it' chestnut is given another ponderous airing in this 1994 book by the disbarred lawyer Barr McClellan - that's right - he's dishonest.

He was nabbed for forging a $35,000 deed of trust in October of 1982. He had to repay it.

All the usual nonsense is here and it's all been heard before.

All of the usual 'characters' are here, too.

Madeline Brown, another convicted forger - she actually forged a family will! Nice!

Billy Sol Estes, Mac Wallace, all and sundry are implicated in the plot that never was.

Don't waste any money on buying it or any time in reading it - it's pure fantasy.

http://goo.gl/xunM0

[defendandprotect]

68. Looks more like dedicated denier --

There are many and myriad reasons for disbelieving the official "Oswald did it" myth --

Including LBJ's lifelong connections with corrupt figures -- from Clint Murchinson

to H. L. Hunt -- Mafia -- LBJ's stolen elections -- and murders.

Here's an interesting video -- Bobby Baker -- and LBJ's hooking up with blackmailer Hoover --

Hoover investigated the "stolen election" as I recall.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKbakerB.htm


Robert Caro is also interesting on LBJ -- though, he failed to follow through in his

third volume -- veering away from the obvious ending.

The Path to Power
Robert Caro has given us an American life of ... And the secret love affairs, cash stuffed envelopes and other ... The definitive life of LBJ. Caro has written a ...
http://www.robertacaro.com/path.htm

Voter Fraud and Rigged Elections???? - Review-Journal eForum
Some people see a partially filled glass as half ... caused a young Texas congressman named Lyndon Baines Johnson to ... fraud they witnessed is well documented in Robert Caro ...
eforum.reviewjournal.com/lv/showthread.php?t=3380 - Cached


As for the crimes committed by McClellan and Madelaine Brown -- they were seen through and

accordingly resolved -- I don't know that either has ever denied the charges or the outcomes?

However, I doubt that those "in the know" about any of these events would be saints!

And, I think the right wing is always on the look out for criminal lawyers -- or those with

at least such instincts -- it's one way to keep things covered up -- having something on those

who are going to be close to you. True of John Dean -- and true of Clarence Thomas, imo.


Less well known is the reality that she was convicted of forging a relative's will on September 2, 1988. In 1992 at age 63 she was sentenced to "confinement in the Texas Department of Corrections for 10 years and a fine of $500 dollars." The sentence was immediately reduced to 10 years probation and was later overturned on appeal based upon a legal technicality. (Emphasis mine)

By his own admission he is a lawyer who around October of 1982 was found guilty of forging a $35,000 deed of trust, was given probation, and was ordered to reimburse the $35,000 to the Travis Bank. He acknowledges that as a result of these events he was forced to cease the practice of law. (p. 292) (Emphasis mine)

http://davesjfk.com/guilty.html --

And just want to comment on this part of Madelaine Brown's information re the party at

the Murchinson's --

Some criticism of her goes something like this --

Madeleine Brown, the only person professing attendance, i

In my view, Madeleine Brown's claims about the location of this party along with the corroboration supplied by May Newman (see below) are part of a deception played with the various homes owned by the Murchison family.

Actually, beyond May Newman -- HELEN THOMAS, THE JOURNALIST, WAS ALSO IN ATTENDANCE THAT EVENING --

AND THE MORNING AFTER THE ASSASSINATION SHE FILED AN AFFIDAVIT RECITING THOSE SHE OBSERVED WHO CAME

TO THE PRIVATE MEETING --



And Evelyn Lincoln confirms that LBJ was to be dropped from the ticket --

In 1968 Evelyn Lincoln (14) published her book, Kennedy and Johnson. It included the following passage:

As Mr. Kennedy sat in the rocker in my office, his head resting on its back he placed his left leg across his right knee. He rocked slightly as he talked. In a slow pensive voice he said to me, 'You know if I am re-elected in sixty-four, I am going to spend more and more time toward making government service an honorable career. I would like to tailor the executive and legislative branches of government so that they can keep up with the tremendous strides and progress being made in other fields.' 'I am going to advocate changing some of the outmoded rules and regulations in the Congress, such as the seniority rule. To do this I will need as a running mate in sixty-four a man who believes as I do.' Mrs. Lincoln went on to write "I was fascinated by this conversation and wrote it down verbatim in my diary. Now I asked, 'Who is your choice as a running-mate?' 'He looked straight ahead, and without hesitating he replied, 'at this time I am thinking about Governor Terry Sanford of North Carolina. But it will not be Lyndon.' (15)


Malcolm Wallace was of course the man named by Billy Sol Estes of being responsible for the murders of Henry Marshall, George Krutilek, Harold Orr, Ike Rogers, Coleman Wade, Josefa Johnson, John Kinser and John F. Kennedy. Therefore, it was argued that this evidence linked Johnson to the killing of Kennedy.

Coke Stevenson obtained an injunction preventing Johnson's name from appearing on the ballot for the general election. Abe Fortas represented Johnson in this long-drawn out dispute. The case was investigated by J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI. Johnson was eventually cleared by Hoover of corruption and was allowed to take his seat in the Senate. This marks the beginning of Hoover’s close relationship with Johnson.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2310&st=30

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=Print&client=printer&f=197&t=2310

Fairly quickly after the coup on JFK an excellent movie was made called "Executive Action" --

featuring Burt Landcaster, Robert Ryan, Will Geer (1973) which pretty much relates the coup.

http://www.amazon.com/Executive-Action-Burt-Lancaster/dp/B00005JMA5/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1303182552&sr=1-1


Also interesting to find Bill Moyers defending LBJ -- never have trusted him --

Pierre Salinger related quite some time back that both he and Moyers recognized that

LBJ was clinically psychotic while occupying the presidency. And there are stories

told of a psychiatrist finally being hired to more of less "hear his confessions" rather

than having him rambling on with shocking statements -- think they paid the guy $1 million

to keep LBJ's secrets -- ?




None of this, of course, is intended to suggest that LBJ actually pulled any trigger --

this was a large and powerful coup -- certainly with CIA involved. Took not only our

president but our people's government.

[True Earthling]

67. Maybe this is why Kennedy was killed...

Breaking news... this is as plausible as any theory I've seen...

Was JFK killed because of his interest in aliens? Secret memo shows president demanded UFO files 10 days before death
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 3:35 AM on 19th April 2011


An uncovered letter written by John F Kennedy to the head of the CIA shows that the president demanded to be shown highly confidential documents about UFOs 10 days before his assassination.
The secret memo is one of two letters written by JFK asking for information about the paranormal on November 12 1963, which have been released by the CIA for the first time.
Author William Lester said the CIA released the documents to him under the Freedom of Information Act after he made a request while researching his new book 'A Celebration of Freedom: JFK and the New Frontier.'

The president’s interest in UFOs shortly before his death is likely to fuel conspiracy theories about his assassination, according to AOL News.

Alien researchers say the latest documents, released to Mr Lester by the CIA, add weight to the suggestion that the president could have been shot to stop him discovering the truth about UFOs.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378284/Secret-memo-shows-JFK-demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html#ixzz1JvuwNRTx

[defendandprotect]

69. Possibly -- JFK and that subject were discussed at the time BEFORE the assassination--!!

JFK was a huge threat to those who wanted to keep secrets -- whether about

NAZIS or UFO's --

And, as I related in a prior post -- many suspicions that he discussed these

matters with Marilyn Monroe and Mary Meyer -- sending James Jesus Angleton

chasing diaries!!


BURLESON: It was the now famous Marilyn Monroe CIA memo, which has circulated for a number of years now since its being released by FOIA request.

BURLESON: Basically it says that the government is worried about John Kennedy's having told Marilyn classified information, and given that it mentions the President's visit to a secret air base to view "things from outer space," it's clear that that means UFO information. Yes, the CIA document has been authenticated -- I tricked the CIA into authenticating it themselves, because I put in a FOIA request for Marilyn's wiretap transcripts, and when the CIA refused to release them (or even admit they had them) I filed an appeal based on the famous memo, and the appeal was accepted, which would be clearly contrary to Agency policy if they didn't themselves recognize the memo as legitimately one of their own as I had specified.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/64487 --




EVERYONE was interested in UFO's -- rightly so!

Even at the inception of the internet, the two most sought subjects were UFO's

and SEX!! And I'm quite sure UFO's outpulled SEX!!


In watching part of The Kennedy's today - briefly caught a glimpse of LBJ speech

saying he wouldn't run again --

But juxtaposed so closely with the next assassination -- that of RFK -- it came

to mind that naturally LBJ would have known that RFK would have to be taken out.

Presumably he -- or those who put him there -- would have though that a might

dangerous to still have him in the presidency as the second Kennedy died with a

planned run for White House -- !! hmmmm...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. Same age as you when he was assasinated and yes, I saw the mini series. Kinnear

was incredible. He transformed himself into JFK.

As to the material itself....most of it was probably pulled from the writers' asses as they re-created inner family drama and that there would be no way for them to know what really went on.

[Faygo Kid]

20. I don't disagree. But no one here disputes Kinnear's brilliance.

I don't think this was the greatest miniseries of all time by any means, but Greg Kinnear was just brilliant as JFK.

If he doesn't win the Emmy as Best Actor, there is no justice.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. If the Emmys were held right now, I'd say he was a shoo in but I don't

know if he'll even be nominated due to the controversy. Kinnear has always been a very good actor (even considering many light weight roles he's had) and even had a best supporting actor nomination but I was shocked at his transformation. That's how great he was.

[defendandprotect]

51. Fantastic pic of JFK !! Wow!

[defendandprotect]

33. Yes, you would have to imagine that Kennedy compound/JFK WhiteHouse completely bugged?

Agree re Kinnear, however --

Jackie Kennedy -- a poor casting --

but ironically, Jackie sounded quite a bit like "Norma Jean's Marilyn Monroe" -- !!

First time I heard her voice, I actually fell off the couch laughing --

HOWEVER, she was a beautiful woman with a unique style -- and she did tell us the

truth -- obviously risking her life to do it.

Also a wonderful Mother, it seems -- and sadly would guess that rw also killed JFK, Jr.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. I remember everytime I went to the Central Park area I'd hope to catch a glimpse of Jackie.

She seemed such a lovely woman and yes, she did have the same breathy, childlike voice that Marilyn used.

When I was about 9 years old I had a scrapbook and kept animal clippings and photos of the Kennedy family. At one point, encouraged by my teacher, I wrote to the White House asking for a photo. I still have it and the cover letter that came with it.

Both children appeared so well loved when they were little (from my scrapbook) and as they grew into adults, by all accounts, it was evident as well.

As to JFK, Jr. I'm going to put up a link on another post.

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

45. Love NY for that --

aside from the photographers who harassed her, New Yorker's let here live in

peace, I think --

I'm an old New Yorker -- now living in and hating NJ!!

I did end up watching more of the Kennedy program than I intended to --

mainly because of something in the Bay of Pigs scenes which I disagreed with --

but right now can't recall --

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

42. "and sadly would guess that rw also killed JFK, Jr." Intriguing Video - Link

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3179462717908405974#

[defendandprotect]

46. Thank you -- notice that ...

Google is removing it on 4/29/11 --

I think YouTube has it but not sure -- I'll have to check --

I've see the video but will rewatch -- very well done --

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. You're welcome. It's on youtube in several parts. I think it's a must see and yes, very well done.

[defendandprotect]

49. Wonder why ....

Google is removing?

In watching again, they have to on the one hand deny the NTAP radio-contact with

air traffic control saying he is coming in to land -- while otoh, presume they had

to let the call go thru so they knew he was on his way?

Schwartzenegger is an interesting little Nazi, isn't he?

"The family isn't sure JFK even had a pilot's license" -- !!

"The family says no flight instructor with him" -- !!

The crash of Egyptian Flight 990 only 15 weeks later in same area - 50 miles distant --

also weird --

The Manchurian Candidate ending is a little awkward, I think -- mainly because not

everyone knows about MKULTRA -- Canada -- and the CIA/NAZI experiemtns!

I didn't see who had made the film -- I'll have to go back and look!

:)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

40. I thought Barry Pepper's portrayal of Bobby was even better

I have a lot of problems with the series as a whole but found some of Barry Pepper's scenes to be the most riveting and believable. (In fact, the only ones that made me cry).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

44. When he was assassinated it was like I was reliving it all over again. I was a basket case.

Yes, he did an excellent job too. They only one I had problems with was with Katie Holmes. I would have liked to see someone with a lot more depth playing Jackie.

Tom Wilkerson always blows me away.

[defendandprotect]

52. The dialogue for Bobby is fine --

but the actor's appearance is distracting -- quite unlike RFK, Jr.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

53. i agree with that. It was like he had fake teeth

I admired his effort with the accent, and caught RFK's emotion and passion I thought

[Vinca]

15. I watched part of it today and wasn't terribly impressed.

Greg Kinnear was well cast, but I thought Bobby was a caricature, as was the father. I turned it off after the first veer into "womanizing" with JFK ogling the little blonde with the scrapbook. Smarmy.

[defendandprotect]

34. +1

[Scottybeamer70]

16. I loved it.....

I guess I wouldn't make a good movie critic, after seeing some of the comments about this series.
I was near where it all took place and remember it all .....both assassinations! I will never believe
the lone assassin story. Of course there were things in the series that no once could have known without
being in the Kennedy's presence, but I still thought it was done quite well. Greg Kinnear was totally
believable and did an award winning performance. His resemblance to JFK was absolutely uncanny!
Maybe I just needed a distraction from what's really going on in the world, but I thought it was great.
Guess it doesn't take much to entertain me, although parts of it was difficult to watch......too many memories!

[Faygo Kid]

18. +1

And thanks. If you have never been there, check this out. I went there in 2007, and expect to go back this year. Every Boomer needs to visit it: http://www.jfklibrary.org/

[Scottybeamer70]

25. Thanks for the link.......

I haven't been to the library.......but have been to Dealey Plaza more than once.......went to the
Kennedy Performing Arts Center in DC, and to his grave site........sad and memorable places!

[Faygo Kid]

28. +2. Greg Kinnear's performance is Emmy worthy.

I simply can't believe how good he is in that role. And I am old enough to recall JFK.
























and

[Robbins]

48. The Kennedys

After seeing this thread I deceded to watch It on COmcast On Demand.having the creator of 24 behind this defently made me not want
to watch It.Finished the part just now dealing with the battles In Mississippi and showing Joe Kennedy and flashbacks about Rosemary Kennedy.They treated both JFK and RFK better than I thought.Joe Kennedy Is kinda of a cirticure.Tom Wilkenson does good job but other
productions In the past done better job.Especilly between Joseph Kennedy and Rosmary Kennedy.

Greg Kinner Is great as JFK.He literly became JFk.barry Pepper Is very good as RFK.katie Holmes Is totally Miscast as jackie.

[defendandprotect]

56. Just watching the Mississippi riots -- do they mention Gen. Edwin Walker led the riot?

You remember, Gen. Walker -- the guy whose home Oswald allegedly shot into!!

Gen. Walker had been fired from the military by JFK for spreading NAZI type

literature -- John-Birch stuff -- Christian indoctination -- rightwing propaganda.



Among those arrested was former Maj. Gen. Edwin A. Walker, who resigned his commission after having been reprimanded for his ultra-right-wing political activity. He was charged with insurrection.

The court recommended Walker seek psychiatric care --


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6811309&mesg_id=6818065

[Robbins]

57. Nope

The only one connected to riots Is the governor In the miniseries.

They show the official story of the JFk assassination although bobby Is shown thinking eather his attacks on the mafia or the
assassination plots against Castro may have lead to the JFK assassination.

To some the most controvsl think will be that RFK Is not shown having affair with marilyn Monroe only JFK Is.And one of the real woman mentioned as a mistress with JFK mary Meyer Is one whose Death IS considered mysteras.Not In the Miniseries but among
assassination researches her death was.Intresting they usedd her.

[defendandprotect]

58. Guess it's important we watch . . . in order to correct and give some truth --

Missed the assassination - and will be interested to see if they include

what Jackie Kennedy told us of her husband's wounds -- !!

She was very brave to continue to state that truth until it seems to have

become too dangerous for her --

Recall she was working on a book with a prominent author -- White/? -- I'll

have to check and big hold up in the printing for changes!

They show the official story of the JFk assassination although bobby Is shown thinking eather his attacks on the mafia or the
assassination plots against Castro may have lead to the JFK assassination.

Don't have links handy on this, but this is generally BS -- JFK spoke AGAINST assassinating

leaders -- so did Bobby. In fact, you can bet on it, because E. Howard Hunt -- the White House

plumber for Nixon -- was in the basement of the White House working on trying to FORGE CABLES

which would suggest that JFK authorized the assassination of Diem!!

There are links around on this, however --


To some the most controvsl think will be that RFK Is not shown having affair with marilyn Monroe only JFK Is.And one of the real woman mentioned as a mistress with JFK mary Meyer Is one whose Death IS considered mysteras.Not In the Miniseries but among
assassination researches her death was.Intresting they usedd her.

Does everyone now believe the rw propaganda that Bobby had an affair with Marilyn Monroe?

But very interesting that they included Mary Meyer -- and evidently not Judith Exner???

Mary Meyer seems to have eventually been killed herself -- seemingly the notorious

JAMES JESUS ANGLETON/CIA was after at least her diary!!

Exner had the connections to the Mafia -- Sinatra -- perhaps she appears earlier?

JFK wasn't killed because of his affairs with women -- that's for sure!!

What he TOLD THE WOMEN -- LIKE MARILYN MONROE AND MARY MEYERS -- ABOUT WHAT HE WAS FINDING

OUT ABOUT NAZIS IN GOVERNMENT -- AND UFO'S -- AND WHATEVER -- AND HIS ANTI-WAR STANCE --

THAT'S WHAT GOT HIM ASSASSINATED!!


:)

Keep on tellin' it -- !!