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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:04 PM
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Did You Just Call Me a Socialist?
On Friday on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, congress members spoke in defense of Medicare, Social Security, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other programs that by almost anyone's definition are socialist, programs that were denounced as socialist by opponents of their passage in decades past, programs that would not have been created without the efforts of socialists and the Socialist Party.

The debate screeched to a halt, however, because an opponent of the Congressional Progressive Caucus's "People's Budget" then under discussion suggested that its supporters might be socialists. Congressman Keith Ellison, co-chair of that caucus, protested the vicious accusation and demanded that the words of his accuser be transcribed for the record (and possible legal action?). The Republican congress member guilty of the horrible slander announced that he was retracting it. Rep. Raul Grijalva, the other co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, thanked him sincerely for the retraction. Although polls show socialism to be far more popular than Congress, neither Ellison nor Grijalva insisted on being cleared of the label "congress member."

"Socialism," remarked Frank Zeidler, former socialist mayor of Milwaukee, "believes that people working together for a common good can produce a greater benefit, both for society and for the individual, than can a society in which everyone is shrewdly seeking their own self-interest." Missing from Washington, D.C., is not just a single individual who would hurl the term "capitalist" with the strength to have a retraction demanded. Missing also is any sense of working for a cooperative society based on the above truth -- a truth apparent to any child who has neither read Ayn Rand nor viewed cable news, but a truth that sounds insane in our nation's capital.

And one more thing is missing: awareness of the debt our nation owes to its rich socialist history. That's where the best book yet by John Nichols -- and that's saying something! -- comes in. The author of "The Genius of Impeachment," among other brilliant books, has just published "The 'S' Word: A Short History of an American Tradition . . . Socialism."

The book is marred by a militaristic cover depicting the flag-raising pose on Iwo Jima, and its focus on the U.S. national tradition is not without problems. Nichols' goal is to depict socialism as American, as rooted in the tradition of Thomas Paine, Abraham Lincoln, the founding of the Republican Party, the rise of competent public planning in 20th century cities, the New Deal, the struggle for free speech and freedom of the press, and the civil rights movement. In this he is very successful. But a strain of thought related to much socialism and admirable in its own right holds that an idea need not be American to be the best for America. You'd think we'd learn that in KINDERGARTEN.

Nichols does not argue with such internationalism; it just fails to harmonize with the theme of his book. Yet, while other authors have sought to bring out the rich leftist tradition of the United States as something predating and independent of, and better off without, Marxism, Nichols goes out of his way to highlight Marx's employment by a New York newspaper and communications with President Lincoln. Doing so certainly cannot hurt and makes for fascinating reading. Of course, the fascination is in large part based on the reader's imagining of the explosive cognitive dissonance a contemporary Republican might face in discovering his or her party's founding father's appreciation of Marx. This imagination may give too much credit to contemporary Republicans for cognitive processes of whatever sort.

Nichols has posted an excerpt of his book online. Here is an excerpt of that excerpt:

"Could a plan decried as 'socialized medicine' by the American Medical Association because it was, in fact, socialized medicine really be 'the American way'? Of course. During the Medicare debate in the early ’60s, Texas Senate candidate George H.W. Bush condemned the proposal as 'creeping socialism.' Ronald Reagan, then making the transition from TV pitchman for products to TV pitchman for Barry Goldwater, warned that if it passed citizens would find themselves 'telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.' But Bush and Reagan managed the program during their presidencies, and Tea Party activists now show up at town hall meetings to threaten any legislator who would dare to tinker with their beloved Medicare.

"Americans would not have gotten Medicare if Harrington and the socialists who came before him -- from presidential candidates like Debs and Thomas to organizers like Mary Marcy and Margaret Sanger and the Communist Party’s Elizabeth Gurley Flynn -- had not for decades been pushing the limits of the healthcare debate. No less a player than Senator Edward Kennedy would declare, 'I see Michael Harrington as delivering the Sermon on the Mount to America.' The same was true in abolitionist days, when socialists -- including friends of Marx who had immigrated to the United States after the 1848 revolutions in Europe were crushed -- energized the movement against slavery and helped give it political expression in the form of the Republican Party. The same was true early in the twentieth century, when Socialist Party editors like Victor Berger battled attempts to destroy civil liberties and defined our modern understanding of freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the right to petition for redress of grievances. The same was true when lifelong socialist A. Philip Randolph called the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom and asked a young preacher named Martin Luther King Jr., who had many socialist counselors besides the venerable Randolph, to deliver what would come to be known as the 'I Have a Dream' speech.



"Again and again at critical junctures in our national journey, socialist thinkers and organizers, as well as candidates and officials, have prodded government in a progressive direction. It may be true, as historian Patrick Allitt suggests, that 'millions of Americans, including many of these critics , are ardent supporters of socialism, even if they don’t realize it and even if they don’t actually use the word' to describe public services that are 'organized along socialist lines,' like schools and highways. In fact, contemporary socialists and Tea Partiers might actually find common (if uncomfortable) ground with Allitt’s assertion that 'socialism as an organizational principle is alive and well here just as it is throughout the industrialized world' -- even as they would disagree on whether that’s a good thing. Programs 'organized along socialist lines' do not make a country socialist. But America has always been and should continue to be informed by socialist ideals and a socialist critique of public policy."


As the co-author with Robert McChesney of some of our best books on the corporate media, Nichols is aware that we no longer have the capacity for critiques of public policy we once had. While Nichols degrades his excellent and inspiring chapter on Thomas Paine by stooping to debate the likes of Glenn Beck (and I admit I've done the same), he is fully aware of what he's involved in:

"It might seem amazing today, when Glenn Beck describes modest social spending in 'Darkness at Noon' terms and when even supposedly moderate commentators conflate social democracy with Stalinism, that the good burghers of Milwaukee would elect and re-elect a Socialist mayor throughout the McCarthy era -- and in McCarthy's home state, no less. But there is simply no question that the quality of debate, the range of ideological diversity and the level of social and political awareness were far higher for most Americans in the 1940s and 1950s -- and dramatically higher for media commentators. Americans in general, and Milwaukeeans in particular, understood the distinction between municipal socialists who believed in public enterprise and totalitarian dictators who wanted to rule the world."


I hope these snippets of Nichols' 300-page masterpiece whet your appetite. "The 'S' Word" could, if widely read, lead to a different view of our country, our government, and our best course going forward. Visitors to the Lincoln Memorial might recall the words of President Lincoln's first war-time State of the Union address:

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Lincoln went on to foreshadow Eisenhower's warning of the rise of the military industrial complex. Visitors to his memorial should also recall A. Phillip Randolph, the man who made the March on Washington happen. His bust in Union Station, with the eye-glasses in his hand broken off, should cause every traveler to freeze in his or her tracks and question himself or herself as to where in the world we are all headed.



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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:08 PM
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1. Although polls show socialism to be far more popular than Congress, neither Ellison nor Grijalva
insisted on being cleared of the label "congress member."

:rofl:
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:02 AM
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15. THAT was what got me to the..........
:rofl: point too! Hilarious!

Kick for socialists everywhere! AND for socialism being more popular than Congress.

I actually did not know that Marx and Lincoln corresponded. I knew that Marx wrote some on the American Civil War, but not the corresponding.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:02 PM
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37. and this points to the undue faith we have....
....in our "progressive" representatives.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:38 PM
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2. socialists created what is good in this country....


and it is up to us to preserve that good.

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HankyDubs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 10:42 PM
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3. if you aren't a socialist
you're a sucker.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:38 AM
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12. Awesome!
:applause:

I have a neighbor that has a NO SOCIALISM sign in his yard, facing my direction, because he knows I am a socialist. I think I might make a sign using your words and face it in his direction.

:evilgrin:
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:01 AM
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14. I think a sign that says "NO IGNORANCE" would be far more
effective and poetic :)
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:55 PM
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35. lol, this totally cracked me up, for some reason!
:thumbsup:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:18 AM
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17. Great bumpersticker!
:rofl:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:26 PM
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19. Either a sucker or an owner. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:36 PM
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4. The truth is right now as I speak we have what is called a Mixed Economy
Capitalism with Socialism. Our Programs forming
the social safety net, protecting the environment,
are a form of Socialism. Our Party taking a turn
to the right, appears to have decided "Denial"
was the safest path. Just as they decided it
was easier to hide under desks rather than defend
Liberalism, they sure as heck are not going to defend
Socialism.We have all but permitted the Republicans
to destroy our party --all because we will not fight
back. Bullies win.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-16-11 11:39 PM
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5. K&R!
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maddiemom Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 12:29 AM
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6. ...call me a Socialist?
Excellently worded and explained as usual, Mr. Swanson). As a now senior citizen who came of age in the sixties, I have a hard time understanding the use of "Socialist" as an insult, equated with the old Soviet Communism. Earlier in the previous century it was a viable political stance. Half my background is Scandinavian, and I grew up with relatives who were openly Socialists. It's true that many of our most successful programs ( in the U.S.) are Socialist in nature. Now it seems that a Conservative pointing this out is all it takes to consider them suspect and downright evil. We are rapidly falling behind all the more successful societies that have increasingly become "Socialist Democracies," but some of the regressive rhetoric in this country seems even to be threatening those societies.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:18 AM
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10. yes
indeed
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:24 PM
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25. I accidently got born too late to be a hippie, but my lifestyle leans heavily that direction
I wear what I call urban camoflage in the big bad world, but in the house, I live in a triad and we've been practicing financial socialism our household for about 3 years now, and I can only speak for myself, but I love it (I think I would be the one most likely to chafe under it, since I am the highest paid outside the house, but I don't. I'm very happy taking my stipend and leaving the rest for the collective). Before I came to DU, I was a Democrat and I still vote predominately Democratic because of our strange "two Party" system, but DU taught me over the years that I am actually a socialist or a democratic socialist.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 02:44 AM
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7. "The 'S' Word....."
Thanks for the heads up. It's now in my new WiFi Kindle,
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 03:18 AM
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8. I am a Socialist
since the age of 12.
I was an anarchist at 10 but finally decided human beings weren't ready for it so I became a socialist.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:24 AM
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18. Yep it's in the username..........
:)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:09 AM
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9. Recommend
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:29 AM
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11. I am a Proud Socialist
I think it's an idea who's time has come. It's time we make it known that Socialism is a way forward.

It's not a dirty word.

Great post as usual.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:51 AM
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13. +1
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 11:03 AM
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16. When I first lived in the USA...


...after growing up in a relatively 'socialistic' democracy (SK), I found Americans not unlike my hometown neighbors. They cared for each other, for their community and in that particular 60's way, they cared for their country.

The noticeable difference, at that time and during subsequent residencies in the late 60's and 70's, was the utter exuberance of the free market. Everything was for sale and any technique was acceptable. And even though while in the USA I worked in sales, my socialist upbringing weighed heavily in every transaction. I eventually had to move back to Sk. only to find the "free market" in my backyard.

Where's my gun.....!!??!!


.

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maddiemom Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:29 PM
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40. SK
I'm somewhat confused as to SK. Since in context this is a country or such, I'm assuming Saskatchewan: in fact my mother is a native, and her dad's family were somewhat pioneers. "Number One Northern", my Grandad's memoirs are in the Canadian National Archives. His family originally introduced Number One Northern wheat to Canada. This, of course,piques my interest. Otherwise you must mean South Korea. Don't freak me out.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:29 PM
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20. Who created those programs? The democrats and the democratic party, that's who.
Your endless stream of revisionist history continues unabated, david.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:53 PM
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23. It was sociaists who pushed the Democratic Party to the left and made
them enact those programs. FDR himself, was fairly status quo, it was the threat of socialism/communism that pushed him to enact some of his most progressive programs. He even took Social Security from the platform of Norman Thomas.
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:59 PM
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29. No FDR this time
So this is the final showdown between capitalism and socialism.

And socialism has to win, if we want a future.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:08 PM
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31. Indeed. By marginalizing the progressive capitalist movement
in favor of Libertarian Objectivism the capitalist may have damned themselves.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:47 PM
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34. under strong pressure from workers/often socialists. those programs would not have been "created",

otherwise.


"Your endless stream of revisionist history" - offensive, ignorant, and pure projection on your part.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:14 PM
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39. You don't seem to know the very history you're accusing him of revising.


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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:32 PM
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21. Republicans only believe in socializing corporate debt..
profits on the other hand must be privatized..

:eyes:
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murphyj87 Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 04:48 PM
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22. Why do Americans have no idea what socialized medicine means?
Edited on Sun Apr-17-11 04:55 PM by murphyj87
Socialized medicine means that the government OWNS the hospitals and that physicians, nurses, and hospital staff are CIVIL SERVANTS, and the government tells physicians and staff where and when they work. In the US, you call your socialized medicine Dept. of Defence and DVA health care. Other than Britain and the US, there is very little socialized medicine in the world. Most industrialized nations have single payer systems, not socialized medicine.

Canada, for example, has a single payer system, not socialized medicine. Canadian hospitals are non-profit but privately owned (many by religious organizations) and have independent, non government boards, and physicians are in private practice (not civil servants). The physicians themselves decide where and when they work. The government may offer incentives (money) for physicians to move to poorly served areas, but the government CANNOT force a physician to go to that area or any area. Single payer systems (like Canada has) are the diameterical opposite of socialized medicine and the two terms are mutually excusive, unless you are in the low education area of the world, the United States.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:26 PM
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26. Because they hear "Socialized", think "Socialism" and their collective brains shut off
Pun intended.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 05:11 PM
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24. Every time some idiot calls Obama a socialist, two thoughts come to mind:
First, "I wish!" and second, "I'm a socialist, I know socialists, and President Obama is no socialist!". Would that this country would embrace some of the tenets of socialism. Oh wait, we did, with the New Deal, which, as I'm sure everyone is aware, is now under extreme attack.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:01 PM
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27. I am a PROUD American socialist....
Edited on Sun Apr-17-11 07:01 PM by mike_c
:patriot:
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:55 PM
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28. Based on the title alone:
Thank You!

I stand for the people first!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:02 PM
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30. United we are Socialists, Divided we are Capitalists. nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:01 PM
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36. i like it. first time i heard that one, btw.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:10 PM
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32. k&r
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:18 PM
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33. The U.S. Misinterpretation Of The Word
Socialism is an economic term but people see jackboots, automatically assuming it means totalitarianism. They should study up on countries like Denmark. Danes could vote against a socialist leaning system, but why would they? Can you imagine how much less stress is on the middle class there? No worries about paying for exorbitant medical costs, no worry about college for their kids. That has to help reduce - health care costs.

The big D official democratic party here has moved way too far to the right. When asked I refer to myself these days as a democratic socialist. When the overriding rational for voting for non progressive4 democrats is that the alternative is even worse it's distressing. A lot of us want to vote for soemone, not just against someone.

What we have in place now benefits the very few, the ruling class, at the expense of the many. This system hasn't been thrown over because way too many people allow themselves to be manipulated by code words and fear. Taxes, boo! Gay people boo! etc., etc.



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Magron Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:05 PM
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38. The big lie of course
is that SOME socialism is necessarily a bad thing. It's not, despite the screaming.
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