I have seen "Atlas Shrugged." Ask me anything.

[jmowreader]

With one caveat: do not ask "why?" I shall tell you.

I am going to review this piece of shit movie for my newspaper. I have part of it written already, and there are some pretty good lines in it. My favorite so far is, "it is not possible to describe how bad this movie is." My second-favorite line: "at 1368 pages it resembles a wheel chock more than it does a novel, and is best used as one."

Between the rotten dialogue, the camera being out of focus throughout the movie, the bad lighting (witness Hank Rearden's anniversary party: everyone's dressed in black and between the out-of-focus camera and the too-dim lighting, it looks like a black blob in the middle of the screen with heads sticking out of it), the wardrobing that looks like they told the cast to bring stuff in from home, the self-service makeup, the stock footage, the incorrect stock footage (Rearden Steel had one customer for Rearden Metal and they bought train rail, but the mill was making 12-inch pipe), more conference rooms than they had in either of the Wall Street movies, and just the fact of what it is...I cannot imagine even the hardest-core teabagger actually liking this movie. They'll SAY they like it, but there's no way they really can.

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[Obamanaut]

2. Is it true that the cheetah is the fastest land animal? nt

[jmowreader]

4. In this universe it is

But in the parallel universe the teabaggers inhabit, the fastest land animal is Orly Taitz, but only if she's got a copy of President Obama's "Kenyan Birth Certificate" in her sweaty paw...

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[tavalon]

54. Good question!

[JohnnyRingo]

3. Is this getting a coast to coast opening?

...or will it be available in "select theaters" for two weeks and straight to DVD?
I don't know how such decisions are made. Since I didn't read the book, I doubt I'll see it either way. Thanx for the cap.

I hope at least the large popcorn tub held more value in it's depth than the movie, so it wasn't a complete loss.

[jmowreader]

6. I think it's a "select theatres" thing

On the Atlas Shrugged Movie site they ask you to "demand" your local theatre carry this piece of crap. But since most theatre owners like to make money, I don't think that's going to work.

It is possible this movie is going to meet the same fate Taylor Schilling's other movie did--it didn't even make it to video.

[JohnnyRingo]

14. Who's Taylor Schilling?

oops... I think I just made your point. hahaha

[regnaD kciN]

80. Catchphrase for the follow-up, "Atlas Shrugged Shrugged"...

..."Who is Taylor Schilling?" :rofl:

[GomezLives]

12. 300 theatres

[regnaD kciN]

81. And each and every one in a deep red state, am I right?

[demwing]

107. Sorry, not right :(

The film opened in Blue states as well, Like California, Hawaii, Massachusetts, and New York. And it wasn't just in red areas- the film opened in DEEP blue cities like Boulder, Berkeley, San Francisco, DC, Boston, and NYC.

http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/theaters

[LynneSin]

109. Yes and each theater only did about $300 less per theater than Scream 3

It isn't the number of theaters but the amount of money each theater makes.

http://boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?view=&yr=2011&wknd=15&sort=avg&order=DESC&p=.htm


It was 7th for highest average per theater

[Turborama]

7. IMDB says it's part 1. How many episodes of this Libertarian crap are you going to have to endure?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/

[jmowreader]

13. I think this is it.

The complete series is three parts long, but the only way they're possibly going to get the other two parts out is to put them on DVD--and, considering how bad this shit is, you'll probably only be able to get it online from someone who'll burn copies as orders come in.

[regnaD kciN]

82. Actually, my guess is...

...that, while this will bomb in the theaters, they'll be pushing to turn it into a "cult hit" on video (much like that other revolting piece of right-wing fantasy, The Boondock Saints), so they can get the money to churn out another low-budget installment. My guess, though, is that Part II will have to actually be the intended second and third parts crammed together, because they'll never be able to justify the budgets, however small, for two more productions, especially when the second installment has equally-abysmal box-office performance as the first.

[Erose999]

Straight to video, Chuck Norris and Steven Segal have been doing it for years.

[Erose999]

97. A lot of movie trilogies and such are shot simultaneously. They could have shot part 1 and most or

even all of part 2 together. Even if they didn't shoot part 2 completely, they can fill in the gaps using editing, stock footage, and overdubbing.

It'll probably happen. It seems like the core of the Randroid stuff is the monologues anyway, which are cheap to film.

[Rhiannon12866]

8. Is it faithful to the book?

From what I remember, the last half of the book was pretty much a diatribe. x(

[jmowreader]

10. From everything I've heard it is extremely faithful to it

I'm not reading that fucking book, guys; I have better things to do than to abuse myself with it. My sock drawer needs straightening, I can use some sleep and there's always turning on Fox News and throwing shit at the television. But the people who have endured both say it's a good representation of the book.

[Rhiannon12866]

17. I read her books when I was in high school.

But I just could not get through that one, since it turned from a story into a thousand page diatribe. I gave up on her after that and I was 16... x( I was just wondering how they handled that in the movie. :shrug:

[Exilednight]

22. Only two books kids will read in high school.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves hobbits.

[PassingFair]

40. From the log-rolling on the back of Jon Stewart's first book:

:rofl:


"This is similar to my works in that anyone who reads it is sure to be an asshole for at least a month afterwards"- Ayn Rand.


:rofl:

[Zephie]

51. LOL! Thank you, that made my day.

[truth2power]

56. Oops! For a minute there, I was starting to hyperventilate...

I lived in middle-earth one whole summer. :loveya:

[tavalon]

70. An oldie but goodie

I was never able to get through Lord of the Rings and unfortunately, the other was assigned to me in college. Luckily, the professor then went on to ridicule it unmercifully. I went to a 60's style experimental college (in the eighties, for me).

[elias7]

73. original quote was orcs, not hobbits

from kung fu monkey:

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2009/03/ephemera-2009-7.html

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

funny either way

[Erose999]

90. I started on Vonnegut when I was in High School. If someone had given me "Atlas Shat" my life

might have turned out much differently, I suppose.

[BobbyBoring]

98. Consider yourself lucky

Kilgore Trout Rules!

[hifiguy]

104. Same here. I found Vonnegut, Orwell,

Bradbury and Tolkein during my middle teens but managed to stay clear of Rand until my college years. The ridiculousness of Rand was readily apparent to me by that age.

[JHB]

36. That would cut down on production expenses for parts 2 and 3...

No need for expensive sets or a large cast, just a place for close-ups of the primaries as they go off.


...just like any other porno movie. <rimshot>

[Capitalocracy]

9. If they can pretend to like church...

they can sit through that movie.

I do have one question. Actually, two.

Number one, is the train wreck worth seeing to satisfy my morbid curiosity? (And understand, of course, that I would only do this by "going Galt" and downloading it for free.)

Number two, did they bus them in?

[jmowreader]

11. Answers to your questions...

Number one: If you can get in at a reduced price, you may as well. I took in the first show of the day, and that was half price. It's not worth full freight, though.

Number two: it would have had to be a really small bus, if they had bused them in.

[sarge43]

18. When you took one for the team, how many people were in the audience? n/t

[jmowreader]

45. About forty. Then again, it WAS the early showing...

I read a post from a teabagger online, at a different theatre than the one I went to, who claimed the film garnered a "standing ovation from the packed house" at the end.

The people in the theatre I was in didn't do that. It was more of a stunned silence, as in "I paid five bucks to watch an out-of-focus movie made with no lighting?"

[caraher]

52. Of course it did...

they were probably thrilled that it was finally over!

[sarge43]

57. Thanks

Just for stuff and grins, I did a fast non-scientific survey of movie schedules here in New Hampshire (the libertarian state?) and couldn't find one theater showing it.

That flick hasn't crashed in flames; it didn't get off the ground. Just tipped over and fell into the dollar bin swamp.

FWIW

[jmowreader]

59. I did a fast SCIENTIFIC survey to find the same thing you did

At the Atlas Shrugged movie website they have a list of all 300 theatres showing it. They don't list any in New Hampshire, but there are a few in Mass. Apparently people there want to point at it and laugh.

[sarge43]

64. More colleges and universities perhaps?

For its population density NH has a fair share, but nothing like MA.

[rurallib]

19. probably be in the $5 DVD bin by September.

[Exilednight]

23. It will be in the Deli down the street before the end of the week for $5.00. I love

living in NY. Everyone is selling bootlegs.

[jmowreader]

46. It's not going to be in your deli down the street for $5.00

That's because by the end of the week, it'll be 99 cents if you buy a large soda and a popcorn.

[rpannier]

86. Nope Scaife will buy up millions of DVDs and you'll be able to buy a copy for 1 dollar with your

subscription to some reichwing rag

[GomezLives]

15. They now have a shitty movie to go with their shitty book

Duh - WINNING!!!!!!!!!!

[Ghost Dog]

16. How does the screenplay deal with the relationship between what's her name and Eddie?

- The way she uses him and coldly abandons him to his fate at the end?

[jmowreader]

47. We're not far enough along to see the cold abandonment

However, what you could see of Eddie got ridden like a wore-out nag. The Eddie in the movie is a black guy and his features kinda blend together in a combination of no lighting and no makeup.

I keep talking shit about the lighting, so I'll give you a concrete example of how bad it was: They sell a product called neutral density gel. It's basically gray plastic wrap. If you have a big window behind an actor you put neutral density gel on the other side of it so the light from the window doesn't overpower the lights on the set. These guys didn't use ND gel and as a result the windows, which were in a lot of scenes (when you're just renting the cheapest rooms you can find, you take what you can get), just blew out the whole scene.

[regnaD kciN]

83. My God...

I keep talking shit about the lighting, so I'll give you a concrete example of how bad it was: They sell a product called neutral density gel. It's basically gray plastic wrap. If you have a big window behind an actor you put neutral density gel on the other side of it so the light from the window doesn't overpower the lights on the set. These guys didn't use ND gel and as a result the windows, which were in a lot of scenes (when you're just renting the cheapest rooms you can find, you take what you can get), just blew out the whole scene.

I knew enough to do that on my film school final project (shot on Super-8) thirty years ago. :crazy:

[AlabamaLibrul]

106. .....

How. Embarassing.

[Buzz Clik]

20. Who is John Gault?

[Exilednight]

24. I can answer this.

John Galt is a lazy ass who has never accomplished a damn thing in his miserable existence.

[anneboleyn]

31. a fictional construct, but to some sad types, he is apparently god.

They took a collection of words attributed to a fictional construct called a "character," created by a rabid ideologue, and made this into a religion.

[customerserviceguy]

35. It's not the first time that's ever happened. n/t

[JHB]

37. John Galt is William Hickman in a suit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman">William Hickman was a thief and murderer who became infamous for a gruesome kidnapping/murder in 1928. Apparently Rand was disturbed by the mass revulsion against this guy (which, considering what he did, "mass revulsion" was a more-than-justified response), and it's one of the things she had in mind whenever her characters railed against "society". She idolized Hickman's complete disregard for others, and it's part of what informed the sociopathic nature of her protagonists (conveniently leaving out the murdering-and-dismembering-little-girl-and-giving-her-head-to-daddy-at-the-ransom-drop part).

One reason most countries don't find the time to embrace Ayn Rand's thinking is that she is a textbook sociopath. In her notebooks Ayn Rand worshiped a notorious serial murderer-dismemberer, and used this killer as an early model for the type of "ideal man" she promoted in her more famous books. These ideas were later picked up on and put into play by major right-wing figures of the past half decade, including the key architects of America's most recent economic catastrophe -- former Fed Chair Alan Greenspan and SEC Commissioner Chris Cox -- along with other notable right-wing Republicans such as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, Rush Limbaugh and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford.

***

The best way to get to the bottom of Ayn Rand's beliefs is to take a look at how she developed the superhero of her novel, Atlas Shrugged, John Galt. Back in the late 1920s, as Ayn Rand was working out her philosophy, she became enthralled by a real-life American serial killer, William Edward Hickman, whose gruesome, sadistic dismemberment of 12-year-old girl named Marion Parker in 1927 shocked the nation. Rand filled her early notebooks with worshipful praise of Hickman. According to biographer Jennifer Burns, author of Goddess of the Market, Rand was so smitten with Hickman that she modeled her first literary creation -- Danny Renahan, the protagonist of her unfinished first novel, The Little Street -- on him.

What did Rand admire so much about Hickman? His sociopathic qualities: "Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should," she wrote, gushing that Hickman had "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

***

Hickman packed her body, limbs and entrails into a car, and drove to the drop-off point to pick up his ransom; along his way he tossed out wrapped-up limbs and innards scattering them around Los Angeles. When he arrived at the meeting point, Hickman pulled Miriam's head and torso out of a suitcase and propped her up, her torso wrapped tightly, to look like she was alive--he sewed wires into her eyelids to keep them open, so that she'd appear to be awake and alive. When Miriam's father arrived, Hickman pointed a sawed-off shotgun at him, showed Miriam's head with the eyes sewn open (it would have been hard to see for certain that she was dead), and then took the ransom money and sped away. As he sped away, he threw Miriam's head and torso out of the car, and that's when the father ran up and saw his daughter--and screamed.

This is the "amazing picture" Ayn Rand -- guru to the Republican/Tea Party right-wing -- admired when she wrote in her notebook that Hickman represented "the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should."

http://www.alternet.org/books/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killers

[tavalon]

71. I often thought Ayn Rand to be a sociopath

That quote, if hers, confirms it.

[blm]

42. The guy GOP lawmakers REALLY follow after they discard the Jesus they used for votes.

It's left to the Democrats to try and implement the teachings of that Jesus guy in the Bible. Republicans are too busy implementing the teachings of Ayn Rand.

[jmowreader]

60. He's a terrorist

If the teabaggers were to make a movie with a guy running around the country disappearing people and said guy was wearing a robe and keffiyeh (the headdress Arab men wear--yes, I had to look it up) they'd send Delta Force in to blow his shit away. But it's okay if the same guy is wearing a cheap suit and a fedora.

[Erose999]

92. An overly verbose sociopath who should remain in anonimity. Next question.

[EOTE]

21. Paying for things is for suckers. Wouldn't it be more "Objectivist" of me if I downloaded this? NT

[uncle ray]

99. i had a good LOL when i checked out my favorite torrent site.

every objectivist and teabagger must be downloading the movie, or attempting to. right now there are many thousands of seeders and leechers of a bogus torrent. hope they enjoy their viruses.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

25. Enduring that stupid story is a sign of bravery...

How about adding " I sat through the credits hoping there would be contact information on who I could write to in order to request the two hours of my life back that I wasted watching this drivel".

[GoCubsGo]

26. Did you feel the need to see "Freddie Got Fingered" as an antidote?

Did it make "Battlefield Earth" look like an Oscar contender?

[anneboleyn]

32. snort. Battlefield Earth!

[jmowreader]

63. DUde, it made Battlefield Earth look like Casablanca

Right now, Lea Thompson and George Lucas are dancing the Ickey Shuffle out in the middle of Hollywood Boulevard screaming about how happy they are no one will ever call "Howard the Duck" the worst movie ever made ever again.

[phleshdef]

108. At least Freddie Got Fingered was meant to be pointless perversion.

[chrisa]

27. My deepest sympathies. Thanks for braving through this piece of crap,

so that others don't have to.

[customerserviceguy]

28. I was planning to eventually see the movie

so that I might have an easier time to slog through the book, which would not have the moviemaking flaws that you point out. Will it help me to do so, in that it would give me an adequate framework of the characters and their basic relationships, so I can have something to hang the verbosity of the book on?

I do intend to get through it someday to help me understand the tea party mentality just a bit better. It's always good to be able to point out the flaws in your opponent's 'logic'.

[OmahaBlueDog]

29. I know one hardcore Rand fan who enjoyed the movie, and speculated on whether the other two parts ..

..get made? Do they?

[JHB]

38. See #36 above.

Bow-chika-wow-woowwww. :evilgrin:

[reformist2]

30. What 'cliffhanger' to they finish Part I with?

[PassingFair]

43. "If you double cross me......."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W07bFa4TzM

[anneboleyn]

33. Did you get popcorn or nachos?

or candy, or an espresso (if the film was in one of those "fancy" theatres).

[jpak]

34. Did it change you into a "moran"? Do you now shrug uncontrollably when someone sez "Rand Paul"

:sarcasm:

:D

:hi:

[Liberal Veteran]

39. Did you feel a need to gouge your eyes out afterward?

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

41. 19 of 21 critics at rotten tomatoes hated it

One of critics who did like it was from the New York Post and the other one is kind of a no-name who has a blog.

Even the critic from the WSJ didn't like it.

[Codeine]

44. How did the schmucks paying to see it react? nt

[jmowreader]

50. Neutral to negative

The teabaggers would have liked a good movie made from their favorite book, but this thing looked like a junior high class project.

[Brickbat]

48. I'm a foamer; tell me about the train shots.

[Populist_Prole]

66. Greetings fellow foamer! I Read about it on a railfan forum

They said mostly UP stuff, from out west. Colorado I think.

As one would expect, the usually outspoken right wingers that frequent that bulletin board say they liked it. Surprise surprise.

I'm not going to see it. The book sucked enough and I can see RR action in film or books or websites elsewhere without RW brainwashing.

[Brickbat]

69. Hee!

I am a foamer, but I wasn't serious about wanting to see it. If I want train shots, I can see "Unstoppable." HA!

[sensate2000]

49. Did they smoke in the movie?

I seem to remember Ayn made a big deal about smoking in her novels and had her characters smoke. Curious to see if they left that in.

[jmowreader]

62. They changed the smoking to drinking

Part of it is because you'd have to be drunk off your ass to be in this movie, but everyone drank a LOT. In the world of Atlas Shrugged, the five-martini business lunch has returned...as has the five-martini pre-lunch business meeting, the five-martini after-lunch business meeting, mimosas for breakfast on a work day, cocktails before dinner, cocktails during dinner, cocktails after dinner...

[tavalon]

53. Good thing I actually read your post before replying

Because I saw your title and my only question was why???? I'm sorry you have to review this. I do not, so I'm not going to watch it. The book was ridiculous, how could the movie be anything but bad?

[WhiteTara]

55. Did you stay awake? n/t

[MrScorpio]

58. A funny story

I just posted this old saw about Atlas Shrugged to the YouTube comment section for the trailer:

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

Guess what?

It's GONE after 20 minutes.

These assholes can't even take a joke.

[immoderate]

61. Thanks. I have a Randian friend who's trying to drag me.

I list things I'd rather do -- root canal, corneal transplant, knee replacement, all without anesthesia. :)

--imm

[regnaD kciN]

84. My recommendation...for your own mental health...

...drop any Randian friends.

Trust me. I once had a girlfriend who turned out to be a Rand devotee. Run!

[immoderate]

91. Generally you would be right.

I belong to a free thought meetup group. It's mostly liberals and socialists. We get occasional Libertarians joining. They usually get frustrated pretty quick.

This one has stuck around to "enlighten" us. He is sort of a punching bag. He never tires of arguing and being shot down. On occasion, I have learned things, when I had to look up stuff to counter those arguments. He is not considered dangerous. :)

--imm

[rpannier]

87. Go with your friend

Get them to buy the popcorn, drinks, etc

Then when the film starts go to the bathroom and never come back (taking the popcorn, drinks and candy with you)

[immoderate]

93. He's already agreed to pay.

I am waiting for the "don't awaken" deal.

--imm

[MorningGlow]

65. Oh, yes, please--I have a question!

Today I was at my rabid-repub aunt's house and of course she had Faux Snooz on the entire time (:puke:). At one point in the endless afternoon John Stossel's show came on, and one of the segments featured the movie's screenwriter and a couple of actors. They were absolutely GUSHING about the experience, and the dewy-eyed audience beamed at them and asked breathless questions (that I tried to tune out).

My question is this: Did the screenwriter and actors have to bring their own barf bags to utilize when the cameras cut away from them and on commercial breaks, and if so, do they bring them along on every stop on their promotional tour?

Thanks for taking one for the team! :hi:

[RB TexLa]

67. What is atlas shrugged?

[mmonk]

74. A canned idiocy.

[RB TexLa]

75. Thank you, that really tells me nothing

[mmonk]

78. It is simply an idiotic propaganda book where greed is a virtue

for society. Society collapses when government gets involved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

[uncle ray]

101. thank you, that's really ironic.

[Erose999]

94. Good for a paperweight, or as a door stop. Not much else.

[toddwv]

68. Whose picture comprises your avatar?

[rpannier]

72. IS this review of the movie I found correct?

A masterpiece!

This book changed my life. I was trimming my widows peak when my sister came into the room and told me to read it. I decided to read it and I was glad. The movie rendition did not disappoint.

The best acting in Hollywood since Kazaam, Taylor Schilling gave a chilling, Oscar-worth performance for the ages! Even Keanu Reeves could learn a thing from the phenomenal acting in this masterpiece (since we all know he is the finest actor of all time...). Even if you are a Socialist, you could see the beauty in this. I cried my eyes out at the brilliance of the ending, which I will not spoil. Enjoy, and hopefully part II will be as wonderful.

[midnight armadillo]

76. Freeper thread: ATLAS SHRUGGED, PART 1: a SPECTACULAR movie and the most elegant adaptation

I swear, that's the actual title of the thread. I couldn't bring myself to read it.

[backscatter712]

77. How riffable is Atlas Shrugged?

Next time my campus MST3k club does a Riff-It-Yourself night (last time, we did Red Dawn), I'm nominating Atlas Shrugged to be the movie we watch.

Are there enough moments in the movie that provide material for amateur comedians that take after Joel, Mike, Crow and Tom Servo?

[regnaD kciN]

79. O.K.: "How could you spend your own money to enrich the creators of that crap?"

:shrug:

[rpannier]

88. Someone has to do it to warn others

It's better to hear from someone who has seen it rather than the way the fundies do it

Fundies: It's evil and decadent.
Rational Person: How do you know.
Fundie: Why my Aunt Bessie was standin' in the grocery line and overheard a woman talking about the movie. Seems a cousin of hers has a friend whose former college roommate was in a salon when she overheard a woman describing what her sister said her mother's best friend's army buddy said about the movie.

[Erose999]

95. If he's reviewing it for a paper its probably the paper's money.

[panzerfaust]

85. WHY - Durn ...

Just read your post saying I CAN'T ask that!

Well then: Why Would ANYONE Else See it?

[EstimatedProphet]

89. So do you think it's possible that it was intentionally bad?

I'm hearing so many bad reviews. One of the things that always comes to mind when I see a movie that is really bad (ex. Star Crash) is - why the hell didn't anyone making the movie realize how bad it was? And Atlas Bloviated has plenty of enemies of the message it delivers. So I have to wonder if they didn't make it terrible on purpose.

[Erose999]

96. Well we liberals do own Hollywood and the media. Of course we would sabatoge it.....

har har.

[EstimatedProphet]

102. It sabotages itself

I may not have been clear before, but what I was trying to get at is: did the film-makers possibly decide to not get in the way of it sabotaging itself?

[JVS]

100. Where does "part one" leave off?

[thucythucy]

103. Be thankful it wasn't the Fountainhead

which includes Rand's take on male/female relationships, including the news that professional women secretly long to be raped by working class studs.

"But the act of a master taking shameful, contemptuous possession of her was the kind of rapture she wanted... I've been raped by some redhooded hoodlum from a stone quarry... Through the fierce sense of humiliation, the words gave her the same kind of pleasure she had felt in his arms."

Aside from the fact that the writing is the worst sort of Harlequin Romance Bodice ripper prose, she really does have a thing about putting uppity women in their place.

This no doubt confirms many a male Teabagger's fantasy about what women "really want."

[whistler162]

105. Where you able to get your 2 hours or whatever back?

[felix_numinous]

110. Were you sober?

Be honest.