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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:19 PM
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Would we be better off if the Chinese or Indians started surpassing the US in medical advances?
Could it possibly drive prices down to a point that healthcare would be affordable for us? Or is that a dangerous thing to wish for?
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The Second Stone Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:31 PM
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1. Medical procedures usually become shared
around the world by those with enough skill and resources to copy the new methods.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:41 PM
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4. What if they patent a cure for cancer? Or heart disease?
Could we copy that without us being the perpetrators of intellectual theft?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:35 PM
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2. It is not the advances, but the way our system works to provide health care...
The vast majority of people will never use most medical advances, but they could use regular preventative health care.

So, no, I don't think it will matter when India, China, or anyone else surpasses us.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:39 PM
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3. Procedure wise that is probably right, unless we start traveling to receive services.
But drug wise, would they jack up our prices compared to everyone else like the US pharma industry does?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:47 PM
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5. There is already an industry where American travel to other countries...
particularly India for various medical procedures because they are cheaper. Check out http://www.healthbase.com/">Health Base about medical junkets.

There are also towns near in Mexico that major in health junkets for people who need dental care.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:52 PM
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6. I didn't think our Insurance companies covered it.
And it isn't used enough to make an impact. If we changed that...who knows?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-18-11 12:01 AM
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17. People who go, have money and insurance, but can get it cheaper there.
Same with the dental junkets in Mexico. They provide medical care on the cheap. maybe if we had a health care system that provided reasonably priced care, it would be different.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 06:52 PM
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7. I'm waiting for the Chinese
to develop some energy efficient pollution free technology. China will do it before we do, I think.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:46 PM
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8. The Chinese are good at stealing technology. Not good at innovation.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 07:50 PM
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9. pretty fucked up thing to say
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:46 PM
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14. I'm sure you will come up with many innovations the Chinese
have come up with in the last 50 years. There is a reason they send their brightest to the U.S. and other countries for an education. What do you think that is? Because the tuition is lower?
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:10 PM
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11. such crap ,
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:45 PM
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13. That might have been true 20 years ago.
Chinese innovation has been on par with American innovation for most of the past decade, and they're on the way up, while we're going...another direction.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:08 PM
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10. Yes, but with a catch
The problem with China is that they do not have a problem with ethics; yes, Americans do dirty things, but the Chinese would be willing to do things like harvest prisoner organs (one of the reasons they switched to lethal injection was for organ salvage). I do not want to see a government start to do thing like "organ brokering".
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 08:40 PM
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12. incredibly prejudiced statement
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 10:24 PM
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16. take a look
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-46247640.html
http://www1.american.edu/TED/prisonorgans.htm
http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-3-24/39632.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49239-2001Jun26?language=printer
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa73452.000/hfa73452_0.HTM
http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-06-27/news/17605062_1_wang-guoqi-organ-transplants-executions
http://www.deathpenaltyblog.com/in-depth-look-at-the-law-china-death-vans-and-harvesting-prisoner-organs-for-profit/
http://www.bioethicsjournal.com/pdf/pbj2.1_jiang.pdf
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGASA170462006
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987948,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4921116.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/world/asia/17iht-organs.1.20242560.html

Note I picked a variety of sources, ranging from the BBC to Time to the New York times to actual government documents to amnesty international, all people who should have no credibility (sarcasm)

But no, you can throw around the word "prejudiced" without doing a bit of research.

And no, I do not want these folks running medicine, because if they treat their own people with such disdain, what will they do to us? Add to this that said "criminals" are often people trying to do what they did in Egypt, but no, too many Yanks will want those Kidneys.


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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-11 09:56 PM
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15. It depends.
Would they decide to charge lower prices for drugs that they shipped to the US? Currently it's assumed that the US medical care system can subsidize drug research and clinical trials, either through higher taxes or high drug prices. Then the same drugs when shipped overseas are sold for significantly less.

Would the PRC do the same? (I think not.)
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