Kloppenburg still "not sure" she wants to pursue a free recount

[Bluebear]

by Gaius Publius

.....Yet, stunningly, Kloppenburg is not sure she wants to pursue a recount:

Wisconsin Supreme Court hopeful JoAnne Kloppenburg says her campaign is weighing whether to seek a recount. ... She has until Wednesday to seek a recount. ... Kloppenburg issued a statement saying her campaign will carefully weigh its options<.>

That's the news, and now for the sports: Really, Team Kloppenburg? Really?

The recount is free, and yet you really don't know whether to find out whether the election was stolen from you by Kathy Nickolaus, David Prosser's ex-employee and the person who "found" those 7500 votes in her spreadsheets?

How about making Kathy Nickolaus produce those votes in the actual ballots. Because if you don't make her show her work, no one will know how she got her result.

Play to win, Ms. Kloppenburg. You're not just doing this for you. You owe it to everyone who supported you. And you owe it to everyone in Wisconsin who will be slammed hard by this Court for the next 10 years.

If you need yet another reason to call Kathy Nickolaus to account, try this. She has a history of this stuff...

http://www.americablog.com/2011/04/wisconsin-prosser-ahead-by-7316-votes.html

http://www.americablog.com/2011/04/wisconsin-prosser-ahead-by-7316-votes.html

[villager]

1. "I wouldn't want to be any trouble" -- the entire Democratic party

n/t

[Bluebear]

2. +

[Chisox08]

12. It would make the Republicons mad.

In the name of Bi-partisanship we wouldn't want that.

[Rex]

3. If they just let this roll on without at least trying to look concerned

about dishonesty, then fuck it. What is the point, just give everything to the repukes don't even bother to waste money running for office. If you don't want a recount after a known crook just said, "oopsie I made a poopsie" tee hees then curtsies to her ex-boss...well, try a new career field.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

28. no kidding. As a judge - she should weigh ALL evidence

We cannot take the "tape"--the print out from the tabulator as reliable evidence, because as we all know, the Diebold/ES&S software which tabulates the votes can be manipulated, hacked, adjusted, etc.

The paper ballots are the only reliable evidence we have, and since NONE OF US have seen the actual ballots, esp considering the incidents in Waukesha Co., Kloppenburg owes it to us, if not herself, to demand a HAND RECOUNT of all optical scan ballots. These are OUR VOTES, and we have a right to know that they were counted accurately.

[snot]

4. WTF???

[murielm99]

5. This makes me sick. n/t

[Hannah Bell]

6. why did she bother to run for office then?

[fasttense]

7. Sounds just like a Democrat.

I remember when South Carolina rigged the Senate Democratic primaries. But the Democrats manged to ignore it then too. Of course any unemployed 32-year-old with no campaign funds, no signs, and no website could dig up over $10,000 to run in a race he had no chance of winning.

The Democratic party managed to ignore that and they will ignore this obvious and blatant vote rigging too. It all started when Al Gore ignored the fact that the US Supremes violated our constitution and selected our president for us, just like any other 3rd world nation.

The only one who has had the guts to stand up and demand that real votes get counted is Al Franken and that was after he told everyone on Air America that there was no such thing as election rigging.

There is still that really weird thing that happened when Ohio votes got sent to Chattanooga, TN to be counted in the 2004 presidential election. And out of the blue we had a nobody, Senator Corker Porker - former Chattanooga Mayor, who suddenly got rich off a land deal with Wal-Mart - become a US Senator.

[Citizen Worker]

8. Ms. Kloppenburg must have gotten a call from Al Gore and John Kerry.

[dems_rightnow]

9. What more could Al Gore have done?

Good God, he used every means at his disposal. Is there a new history I missed?

[druidity33]

10. Fought to the death? nt.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

16. Actually Gore fought to the bitter end - the US Supreme Court ruling.

which scalia-d bu$h into office...

Here is a timeline of events. There may be better ones out there but you can relive the drama and horror here, and see how every effort he made was blocked by gop thugs - from circuit court judges, secretary of state Harris, all the way up to the US Supreme Court.

Here's a Taste... Bitter, isn't it?
Thursday, Nov 9, 2000
Gore's team requests a hand count of presidential ballots in four Florida counties (allowed under Florida Election Code 102.166), Palm Beach, Broward, Miami-Dade, and Volusia. These four counties are strong Democratic areas and had a total of about 1.8 million votes cast.

Saturday, November 11, 2000
The Bush camp seeks a federal injunction to stop hand recounts of ballots in several Florida counties because of alleged equal protection and other constitutional violations.

Sunday, November 13, 2000
9 a.m. Florida's Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, announces she will not extend the 5 p.m. EST November 14 deadline (Florida Election Code 102.112) for certifying election results.

Volusia County sues to complete manual recount notwithstanding the November 14 deadline for county Canvassing Boards to file election returns (one week after general election) set in Florida Election Code 102.112.

Monday, November 14, 2000
8:20 a.m. Officials in Palm Beach County vote 2-1 to delay their manual recounts until they are able to clarify whether they have the legal authority to proceed.
- The canvassing board in Miami-Dade County unanimously votes to start an immediate hand recount of ballots in three precincts as requested by Gore's lawyers.
- Afternoon Circuit Judge Terry Lewis upholds 5 p.m. Tuesday deadline for Florida vote certification. The judge says supplemental returns can be filed after the deadline, but can be ignored after circumstances are considered. An appeal by the Gore campaign to the Florida Supreme Court is expected.
- 4:30 p.m. Palm Beach County canvassing board votes to resume the recount on Wednesday, November 15.
- Evening Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris announces that Bush leads Gore by 300 votes based on returns submitted by all 67 counties.

Tuesday November 15, 2000
9 a.m. In a petition to the Florida Supreme Court, Secretary of State Harris asks the justices to order Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties to end the manual recounts. Elections officials in Palm Beach County ask the state's highest court to decide if they can recount ballots by hand

NOON Al Gore suggests a hand recount in all of Florida's 67 counties if Republicans won't accept the recounts in selected counties. Gore said he says he will forgo further legal challenges if the Republicans accept the selected counties' recount. Gore also proposes a face to face meeting with George W. Bush.

Evening Florida Supreme Court denies the request to block hand recounts of ballots.

Evening After considering submissions from counties still conducting recounts, Secretary of State Harris indicates that she will not consider further returns from those counties.

10:15 p.m. George W. Bush rejects Al Gore's proposal for a statewide manual count of Florida's presidential vote, saying it would be neither fair nor accurate. Bush also rejects Gore's idea for a one-on-one meeting. He says he would be glad to meet Gore after the election.

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/pe2000timeline.php

[druidity33]

35. No, No, no...

I meant in a ring, shirtless, with a length of chain or a dagger or something. I remember all the stuff you're talking about. But you asked, "What else could he have done?"

:)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

36. ok-gotcha

you are feeling much more creative than I am about this, and I commend you for it :headbang: I could use a little more humor these days!

[ReggieVeggie]

11. was the election stolen?

If your answer is "Yes" then there's a lot more that should have been done.

[Autumn Colors]

15. or a call from someone with a threat?

:tinfoilhat:

[karynnj]

22. Ridiculous

Gore DID unconcede when the numbers were found to be closer the next day. Kerry, would have contested Ohio if there were any chance that a recount would change anything. The same people who told Kerry the numbers were nit there were the ones who told Gore to contest. In Ohio 2004, the Republicans suppressed the Kerry vote by not putting enough voting machines in Democratic strongholds. It may well be that the number of people who gave up voting because they could not wait 4 plus hours in line might have been enough to have changed the results, but you can't count votes never cast. There was no chance a recount would have found over 100,000 votes.

In Kloppenburg's case, the difference is slightly over 7,000 - and the chance to really examine what happened in Waukeshaw.

[pintobean]

13. The recount would not be free

it would be taxpayer funded. That would be very unpopular if the results didn't change. She would also have to pay an awful lot of her own people.

[PeaceNikki]

14. She would also incur up to a million in legal fees.

So there's that.

[robinlynne]

39. why?

[eowyn_of_rohan]

17. Well THIS is not what I wanted to see upon arising today

...need some coffee

[eowyn_of_rohan]

18. Kloppenburg did NOT say this. No further statement has been made since April 15

Kloppenburg’s campaign didn't say she is "Not sure she wants" to pursue a recount. They said they will “focus our decision-making on whether to request a recount,” Melissa Mulliken, her campaign manager, said in a statement. “We will review the information available to us and carefully weigh the options.”

Also, Kloppenburg’s campaign has requested public records related to the count in Waukesha County after 14,000 mistallied votes upended the unofficial result of the statewide ballot.

Also, The state GAB is reviewing results from 2006 because the county reported more combined votes for the attorney general candidates that year than total ballots cast in the election there.

I am looking for a phone number where we can contact her campaign ... I might kill myself if she drops the ball on this.

[PeaceNikki]

19. Yeah, this seems to be reading way into the statement made last week.

Here's contact info:

http://www.kloppenburgforjustice.com/contactus.html

[eowyn_of_rohan]

20. That was easy -thanks

I'm too groggy to process anything yet. ;)

[PeaceNikki]

21. No problem, I understand.

I don't want to panic at this point. She is a smart lady, has good attorneys and staff and WAY more information than any of us do.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

23. I agree, and am counting on her team to make the right decision

problem is, to ME there is only ONE right decision ;)

And this is my plea (credit to NGOs VelvetRevolution.us and ProtectOurElections.org)

"Given the razor-thin margin of the reported results of the April 5th election, the extraordinary events in Waukesha County, and the known vulnerabilities to both malfunction and malfeasance of the tabulation systems used in the state, all with the background of the heightened public interest in this election, only a fully public, manual hand-count of all paper ballots cast in last Tuesday's Supreme Court election can begin to ensure the citizenry of accurate results and restore confidence in their electoral system."

[Rex]

34. I still expect a recount.

As does probably half of the country. If not, then I expect a large amount of information as to why.

[SidDithers]

24. Nickolus "found" 14,000 votes, not 7500...

couldn't americablog at least get important details like that correct?

Sid

[Le Taz Hot]

25. Did she get a call from Kerry?

:wtf:

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. This is horrible.

What is wrong with the Dems?

[mod mom]

27. The party elites must have gotten to her not to stir up questions about elections.

What's wrong with verifying elections? especially when you have an administrator like Nickolaus with a dubious past?

[ladjf]

29. Why in the Hell not?

[Name removed]

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[eowyn_of_rohan]

31. Prosser: 'Result Of The Election Is Not In Doubt'

THIS IS REALLY SUSPICIOUS TO ME...Why did this POS come out to say this today? Like code talk - like he/they know something - we can just guess what.
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/120059529.html
Associated Press -Apr 18, 2011
MADISON - Incumbent Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser isn't waiting for a potential concession speech from opponent JoAnne Kloppenburg.

"The result of the election is not in doubt," said Prosser in a news conference on Monday.

"A funny thing happened to me on the way to my concession speech. The people of Wisconsin told me to tear it up and go back to work."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is WHY Kloppenburg must recount... but shows what she is up against and why it's a difficult decision. Newspapers are saying it is "doubtful" she could overcome a 7,300 Prosser lead with a recount. In order to hand recount Optical Scan paper ballots you must get a court order. To get it you must justify that you need to do it. With this obstructionism by the thugs, just imagine the challenges. It really makes me feel sick.

[Blue Owl]

32. I trust the incompetent Republican election clerk who uses her own computer

And judging by the GOP's huge teabagger rally in Madison on Saturday, I'm completely convinced the state is divided 50/50.

:sarcasm:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. 50/50... Here is another sign that is a fallacy

The thugs aren't able to get volunteers state wide to collect signatures to recall Dem senators, so they have to hire people (on Craig's List yet). EVEN WITH their hired help they are not getting close to enough sigs to recall Dem senators.

In the Meanwhile.... We Dems have so far filed petitions to recall *4* of the 8 thug senators - well actually 3. The 4th will be announced tonight at 6pm

Kapanke
Hopper
Luther
and Harsden (news at 6)

[Poiuyt]

37. That's the big difference between Democrats an repubs

The repubs consider elections to be life and death, and they fight accordingly. Democrats don't like to make waves.

[robinlynne]

38. FOR GODDNESS SAKES. FOR ALL THE RCOUNTS WE NEEDED AND COULD NOT AFFORD in this country!

Count the damn votes. sans computers.

edited to add: FOR ALL OF US.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

41. Please send her an email!

I hope she gets flooded... it IS for all of us.

[robinlynne]

42. where? how? of course I'll do it.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

44. Here you go

[e-mail]

[robinlynne]

46. DONE. with pleasure!

[robinlynne]

47. hey, nobody ever reads my posts. I'm a bad writer. Will you write a new OP asking people

to contact her? I'll&r aND ask election protection Du friends to do the same.

I actually think phone calls do more than emails but it is all good.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

48. I'm kicking this one instead

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=917542&mesg_id=917542

Sorry I don't have a phone number for them

[Initech]

40. To quote Harvey Dent from the Dark Knight: You cant give in! You cant give in!!!

[lonestarnot]

43. Oh fuck that and the horse she cahoots with.

[BillyJack]

45. This can be her FINEST MOMENT!....one doesn't ask for it. It is unexpected.

But one MUST rise to the challenge!