When is America going to stop being held hostage by Wall Street, banks, the 1% , and the Right Wing

[DainBramaged]

Someday you folks are going to just say no. Will it take $6.00 gas? $5 loafs of bread? NO Social Security? When?

[socialist_n_TN]

1. That's the thing about revolutions historically.........

No one knows what the tipping point is. It could be any of the things you mentioned, a combination of them, OR something totally different. All the resistance (the ones who recognize the scenario the earliest) can do is educate and agitate the masses as to the REAL reasons behind the collapse of their living standards. And then try to GUIDE the masses into real WORKING solutions when it happens.

I can't answer your question and I don't think anyone else can either. All we can do is educate and agitate for workable solutions and HOPE that people remember who was doing the education when it happens.

[tridim]

8. I think the tipping point has already been reached.

It's just that nobody knows what to do yet.

At the very least, the problem has been correctly ID'ed and lots of people are talking about it.

[FiveGoodMen]

2. When Southern Baptist preachers stop telling them that's what god wants?

[jwirr]

16. Amen. While I do not believe that religion is alway an opiate it certainly

can be. And in the case of rwers it is.

[L0oniX]

22. They are heretics.

[FiveGoodMen]

27. Yeah, but that doesn't stop their influence.

[indepat]

3. On the 12th or never or alternatively, when the number of enraged Americans reach

critical mass. :patriot:

[originalpckelly]

4. In some ways DU is a leading indicator.

I've noticed a lot more talk of revolution. And if it gets bad enough economically, then that's what will happen. It has happened all throughout history.

[socialist_n_TN]

12. I agree that sites like DU are leading indicators........

A lot of people denigrate DU as a far left "fringe" and truthfully, in some ways it is. It is however an INFORMED far left fringe, with hundreds of thousands of educators and agitators.

Just in the 18 months that I've been lurking and posting here, it's become MUCH more socialist and MUCH more radicalized as to solutions. As you say there's a lot more talk of revolution.

We are the vanguard, the tip of the spear and it doesn't take a majority to MAKE a revolution. It does take a majority to SUPPORT the revolution however, either tacitly or overtly.

I honestly believe we're at the stage where all it will take is the correct spark.

[madokie]

5. When we STAND up and say enough

Their all a bunch of wussies anyway so they'll run like rabbits when we've had enough

My apologies to the wussies of the world I didn't mean you, just using a figure of speech.

[Annata4Peace]

6. When it realizes....

it's not left vs right. It's the people vs the oligarchy.

[socialist_n_TN]

7. That's actually as good an answer as any..........

Welcome to DU, the home of socialist leaning Democrats and others. :)

[pretzel4gore]

13. it is LEFT versus right!

the rightwing is PRIVILEGE for few while LEFTWING is NEEDS OF THE MANY, and the ruling elite since Aristotle time have known-to prevail THEY MUST CONTROL popular beliefs- they MUST USE the disorganised mass to control what the masses think THEY THINK they THINK. Simple as that. Prior to French Revolution, 14 hour days were common-workers left in dark and returned home in dark (see 'Xmxas Carol' by Dickens; Bob Cratchit works 6 days week 365 days a year with Xmas off when it falls other then Sunday...Bob starts 7AM and leaves at 7 PM -see the clock on wall! He freezes in wintere, cooks in summer, and can't afford a goddam goose for Xmas dinner!) The revolution changed EVERYTHING. By 1870's Bismark brought in welfare, Unemployment insurance in Prussia/Germany to stop the Revolution from overthrowing control by the wealthy-all improvements in workplace were to stop socialism/communism or UNIONS, if you prefer
The rightwing of National Assembly just before REVOLUTION was the wealthy landowners, the aristocracy, the church oligarchy and military; to the left was the workers, the students, the common soldiers/cops, the small bizmen, the regular clergy etc. The LEFT overwhelmingly outnumbers the right, obviously

[jwirr]

17. Very well said. Hopefully it will not be too late. It is so clear to see

when you look at what the Koch brothers are doing. They are against anything that helps we the people. And they want it all for the corporations and their big investors.

[leftstreet]

20. +1

[truedelphi]

23. Bingo! And a hearty welcome to DU. n/t

[Donnachaidh]

9. when we have politicians who are more willing to work at justice than legacy polishing

And that includes the Democratic Party as well.

Standing around and watching the devastation happening and doing NOTHING is just as evil an act as causing the devastation. You just don't get as dirty as the devastators.

[badtoworse]

10. Say no and do what?

You would need to articulate a vision that people will buy into first.

[DainBramaged]

25. We were given that vision in 2008, sadly, it was just a mirage.......

[Skink]

11. If the NFL goes on strike we'll muster up something.

[jwirr]

18. LOL Take the peoples goodies away from them and we will see,

[Javaman]

14. When we have to make our bread from sawdust.

People are still way to comfortable to protest en masse.

Like I have written before, it won't be because we have been so beaten down, it will because gas will be too expensive and will cut into our "leisure time" (whatever that is) for us to start protesting.

When the population grows idle, that's the time the government should start really worrying.

[OHdem10]

15. Not until there is some party willing to turn back all the changes

put in place by Reagan and Republicans until GWB and Republicans
sealed the system into a firm place with a kiss.

The systems has been deliberately changed to Free Market
which means Business has just about all of the power.
This was deliberate. Frustrated with system put in
pleace by FDR and sealed by LBJ, they (GOP) sincerely
believe Business can best handle about any situation.
Let "Invisible Hand of the Market" cure all ills is
dogma to them.

Something we should think about.

In the 70s the system did make Business carry a very high
tax load. Reagan shifted that one so fast not many
people notice. Complete shift in the balance of power.
The people, mainly middle class picked up the tax burden
which was once on Business.

Why should we be surprised that few Businesses and Rich Americans
pay very little taxes.

I see all of this as swinging the pendulum too far.

Instead of simply find a more fair tax rate for business,
there was a shift in burden. How many Democrats on the
Hill bought and drank the kool-aid???

Yes, we will not see any change until some party emerges
who is willing to take this on. Hopefully, they will
find ways of being equitable. The Market cannot solve
all problems. We have had 30 years and the country is
now in Crisis. Why has the markets not worked their
charm??? They work for the Rich Business. Unfettered
Capitalism always makes the rich richer and the poor
poorer and destroys a middle class. This is why FDR
put regualtions in place and taxes to build a prosperous
country. Over the years did the taxes get out of hand--
yes. The Republicans more than fixed the tax probllem
they are on the way to destroy the country and leave
us looking exactly like Mexico.

[bvar22]

19. "Free Trade" "Free Markets"....

A SCAM invented by The RICH,
and sold to a gullible America by smooth talking politicians.

[FiveGoodMen]

21. ...Worshiped as if they were God Himself(TM)

The propaganda has been VERY effective.

[truedelphi]

24. And we can also trust our trusty media to entrust us with the

Proper take on things. Last night's news, for instance, had plenty of Talking Heads saying Americans are now paying less in taxes.

In fact, the average tax for American fell 3 percentage points went their claim.

Of course, what they don't tell you is that they are averaging the huge winfall that the Ultra Rich have managed to come by in with the pittance of tax relief some Americans are experiencing.

If a multi-millionaire and nine families on food stamps are averaged out in terms of their income, all ten folks are doing great - as each one will be making over a hundred thousand.

[coalition_unwilling]

26. Thereby illustrating Mark Twain's maxim that there are "Lies, damned lies

and statistics." :)

[Sirveri]

28. When we turn the TV off.

[Cerridwen]

29. When the actual pain is greater than the imagined pain of

resistence.

"you folks"? Seriously?

When the experienced pain is far and above the pain one imagines will be experienced by "fighting back", then we will see a "revolution." Of sorts.

Will you join me in calling for and participating in a general strike?

[Capitalocracy]

30. What really hurts...

is that the Dems' strategy seems to be taken from Speed. Shoot the hostage!

Anyway, we'll be held hostage until they get exactly what they want. Then they'll kill us. Just like Ayn Rand's idol would do.