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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:04 PM Original message |
If an underaged girl lies about her age, should a man be charged for having sex with her? |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. How hard is it to check ID? Nothing more to say. n/t |
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BillyJack (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Oh right...."Let's 'get it on, young thang" |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. The policy interest is more important than guys not being inconvenienced |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. There have been legal cases |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I can see that going over great with someone in their mid to late 20s. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Maybe they could draw up a contract |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. In my 36 years on this planet, I've never once heard of anyone checking their dates ID. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. How does one "check ID" with a cell phone call? |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
103. How do YOU check id over the phone? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
110. "check id" on a date? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. On the other hand - you could take your date to a bar - and let them check ID |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
121. That's actually an excellent tactic. -nt |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. Very practical. nt |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #125 |
191. Unless the 20 year old can't get a drink either... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #111 |
128. Unless they have a fake ID |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #111 |
143. Those wicked seductresses will probably order a coke just to fool me, seduce me & get me arrested. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #143 |
210. Well apparently it does happen from time to time |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
159. Because a woman who lies about her age would never get a fake ID |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
201. LOL! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
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brewens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. If it was a couple photos and the guy broke it off because he |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
127. Probably half the models in women's magazines are 13. |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
197. There was a CHIPS episode with Ponch all hot and bothered |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
162. There are many 18-y/o that look 13 too. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think in Russia there it is law that the age of consent is 16 but 14 if you didn't... |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Russia has a lot of crazy laws. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. ???? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Russophobia is big here at DU. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. I don't know if that necessarily counts as russophobia |
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aaaaaa5a (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
6. There are a lot of laws and cases where men are treated unfairly. |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Too many men would be willfully blind or just lie. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
116. I think there could be a 'reasonable person' factor built in, to handle those situations... (nt) |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Leave the Patriarchy ALONE!!!!!11!!1!! |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
52. So someone should be imprisoned and branded a sex offender if their partner *lies*??? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
70. If the "partner" is too young to consent under the statutes of that state, why yes. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #70 |
126. Thank you--and as humans and adults, we are supposed to have control of those urges. nt |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
133. We Live In A Nation Where Throwing People In Jail Is A Remedy For Everything |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
54. Wow, that's one of the most sexist posts I've ever read on this site. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
90. It's not sexist if it's written about men. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #90 |
104. My bad. |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
95. You need a serious introduction to the difference between Patriarchy... |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
118. This is potentially the most over-the-top reaction on DU ever |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
163. Good lord. Do you just copy-and-paste this rant into any thread even marginally related to gender? |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
190. I wish I could unrec an individual post. |
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moriah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
71. The law itself is written gender-neutral, or at least it is here in Arkansas. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
83. On paper the law might not make any exceptions |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. There are people sitting in prison that young person told them they were over 18 |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. 15 years for stat? Can you link to a story confirming this? |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. No link, it happened in the mid 1990's to a guy I hung around with |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
135. That's America Where Wars and Throwing People in Jail |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
164. How old was she? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. And I'm guessing when he gets out |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. He did his 15 years and yes he is registered as a sex offender see post |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Modern day witch hunts but worse |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
114. And that's why I keep saying America's judicial system is fucked up... |
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LuvNewcastle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. It seems to me that people these days |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. He called a stanger's house pretending to be someone he wasn't, he assumed the risk |
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franzia99 (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-18-11 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. Too many guys would be willfully blind or would lie about not knowing her age. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
12. Depends on the state, i believe. |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
16. What happens if it is he said vs. she said? |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. When I was seventeen, I had a girlfriend who was twenty. |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. And? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Might be a crime in some states. |
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Throckmorton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. But not in Connecticut |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
144. Okay, but was she YOUR girlfriend? |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
23. This is some kind of sick fucking thread |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You won't like what I'm about to say. But I swear it's true. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I always looked older too |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The girl in question also SOUNDS like an 18yo to me. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I have a 14 yr. old daughter who looks 18... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. But mental maturity is a bad test as well |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. My SO's soon to be sister in law is as dumb as a box of rocks. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. Yep. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
68. Oh, I believe you ... I have an 11 year old daughter (she''l be 12 in May) ... |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
186. I wanted girls. I quickly changed my mind. |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
107. I believe it |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. I looked alot older by the time I was 13 |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Alot older? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #51 |
108. I love that picture :) |
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Amaril (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
106. Same here |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. People age/mature physically at different rates |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
59. It makes you worry for the future, doesn't it? nt |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
72. Thank you, me b zola. Exactly, excuses. n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #23 |
101. I am in awe of all the experts on here who can ascertain |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
115. I've seen 14 year olds who looked like 18 year olds. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
145. I dunno about sick, but it sure is a fucking thread |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
29. Context & timing are important issues here.. |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. SO is 5 days from being 18 years younger then I am, she's 36 I'm 54 |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
31. Yes, he should be charged. Failure to check a woman's age is inexcusable. |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
105. How do YOU check id over the phone? |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #105 |
156. WTF??? Was he hiring her or something? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
33. All I can say is.... |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
34. They should both be charged. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. I'd sort of like to see the girls parents also charged. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
102. I think we should charge the telco as well for making the feature available |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #102 |
165. We could charge her school. |
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LuckyStrykes (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
161. I would like the parents to be legally involved also. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #34 |
66. Punish, punish, punish! |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
138. Throwing People in Jail Solves All Problems |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
117. Charged for phone sex? Why? Whywhywhywhywhy? |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
187. She should be charged with distributing child pornography. It's been done before. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #187 |
205. How about not charging *anybody*?! |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. No WAY! That would make TOO MUCH SENSE!!!! THINK OF THE *CHILDREN*!!1!! n/t |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. If she's 17.5 and says she's 18, no |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. I go with you on this |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
44. In a case like this, I don't think he should be charged. |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
189. Oh no you don't! Don't try to inject some common sense here... |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
48. Yes |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes. |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
93. This is a valid point |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #93 |
185. Gentlemen don't act that way. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #50 |
100. The argument wasn't that men have no control over themselves |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #100 |
184. *You* still control |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
56. I know this will piss everyone off but here goes |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. 16 or 17 is reasonable. I guess 18 is a little better since the person is done with high school |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. The age of consent is 16 in most of the country. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I didn't know that about the rest of the country. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Depends on why you travelled there. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. As to your brother-in-law's friend I don't know how old he is, |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. I know. We all said the same thing. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Don't get me started on the sex offender list. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Actually |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Yeah I agree 13 is unreasonable, at least to me. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
119. I'm inclined to agree. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
132. I believe it's 13 in Spain, which, frankly, I think is outrageously sick. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
57. 99% of the time, yes. This is an odd situation though. They never met in person. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
58. That's the law. Tough shit. People under 13-year-olds can never legally consent |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
96. 'Tough shit'? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
124. That IS the law so yes, tough shit. I would suggest everyone be pretty careful |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #124 |
139. Hey Guys, Just Stick to Women Aged 70 and Older |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #139 |
146. lol |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #124 |
160. What if a coworker invites you to their house |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
188. Yes. And the girl should be charged with distributing kiddie porn. It's the law. Tough shit. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
69. Yes, he should be charged. It is up to the jury to decide guilt and the judge |
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apples and oranges (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Charged with what? Texting a girl who police acknowledge lied about her age? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Note that this person suggested probation as an appropriate penalty. |
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Shandris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #77 |
97. Unfortunately, one requires the other. |
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October (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
75. How long did he know her? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
203. Interesting. With all the righteous rants and pompous posturing in this thread ... |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
76. "She told me she was eighteen" means that he knew she was very young, |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Willful ignorance. The guy was going for "plausible deniability." And a minor. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. If he was looking for 18 year olds |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
120. Why would that be 'perverted' or 'dirty'? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. I suppose it depends on his age |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I think, biologically speaking, it's only natural for men to go after young women... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. no more different than biologically a 30 yr old woman would want a 19 yr old man |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. No, because the older the woman gets, the change of producing (healthy) offspring becomes smaller... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #130 |
141. the younger the girl that gets preg, her statistics sit with the older woman. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. I don't understand what you're saying at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. the young girls that have babies have as many problems in preg as the older women. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #151 |
157. I've never seen any evidence to support those claims. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:21 AM Response to Reply #151 |
173. Yeah, but too young is generally 15 or so from a biological standpoint. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. From a biological standpoint, that's not true at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #131 |
142. teen pregs are statistically as problematic as the older woman. there is an in between |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Young teens, not so in the later teens. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. yup... after about 17, they are good to go. this is what i am saying, lol. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:09 AM Response to Reply #149 |
170. Actually, that wasn't what you were saying. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #170 |
176. firstly, those are not the ages we were talking. it was 30 yr old and secondly |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Yes, it is the ages we're talking about. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. biologically, there is no reason a young woman would want an older man |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Let's have a comparison here. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #179 |
180. point... biologically htere is no reason a young woman wants the old man anymore than a young man |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Except that's not true in the slightest. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. That's true. But I don't think that fits her predetermined position on the subject. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. actually, i have factual information, you were spouting nonfactual info.... bah hahaha |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #152 |
158. Why not just post a link to this 'factual information, instead of acting like you went crazy? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #158 |
171. Links? Factual information? |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #171 |
204. Yup... the living example of how brainwashed people are not only found on the right... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:18 AM Response to Reply #152 |
172. Factual information isn't "factual" if it's demonstrably false. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
137. Why in the world would that make him a pervert or dirty old man? nt. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. that is how hubby explained. under 18, criminal. but what if.... nope |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
78. 20....13... n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
79. If I don't know if a car is owned, can I take it? If I don't know the speed limit, can I go 100? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. I think that is a little more fuzzy in this case since everything was over the phone. |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Well he knew the girl was very young. Seems a coincidence that he said she was an eighteen |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. More like someone tells you a car is theirs |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. +1 billion |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
169. Funny, but your car example was on "Law & Order," and the dame who had the car was liable. |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
87. Isn't this a legal issue: ignorance of the law does not mean one is not guilty of a crime |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-19-11 11:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. It may not absolve him of ANY crime but it can mitigate the situation... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. Intent is also a factor in determing whether a crime was committed |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
136. Ignorance of law, and ignorance of facts requisite to intent, are two different things /nt |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
166. That's not ignorance of the law. |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
98. I can't tell the age of girls anymore |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
167. Yes. The reality of it is that eyeballing a young person's age is wildly unreliable. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
109. Maybe it should depend on the facts |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
112. reality. it is the mans ass on the line. i would think it would behoove a man |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-20-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
113. Should there be any charges at all if the sex was consensually? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #113 |
153. The theory behind the law is they're not old enough to consent |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #153 |
206. If they're 17 years and 11 months old they can't consent; then one month later, they suddenly can?! |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
134. This is a policy issue for me. As has been pointed out by many people, if ignorance is an excuse, |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #134 |
140. Thank You |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
154. Obviously I'm in a pronounced minority |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Maybe what we often refer to prudishness is merely wisdom. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-21-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #154 |
168. oh silly you, making sense! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:31 AM Response to Reply #154 |
174. I think a problem with this statement is the blatant double standard |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #174 |
199. Precisely how was this double-standard addressed in the OP |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #199 |
208. It isn't, this is culture-wide |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
175. I do feel our age of consent laws should be reexamined. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
182. Looks like this thread's gonna make it to the weekend. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #182 |
192. Gender threads on DU must be a sociologist's wet dream. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. +1 nt |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
183. What's the penalty for posing as a UConn basketball player? I didn't know it was illegal. |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #183 |
196. Only illegal if you are actually a UConn BB player! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
193. What ever happened to getting to know somebody before having sex with them? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-23-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #193 |
209. I assume that goes both ways |
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MellowDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
194. There is no good justification... |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
195. Very important question in the Information Age. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
198. If he can go to jail for not having sex with a 35 year old cop, then I imagine so. nt |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-22-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
202. What i find most dicey about this whole thread is that the people in the article NEVER HAD SEX. |
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