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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:07 AM
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An 'Oh Please!' Moment: Is S&P Running Interference to Help Crush Social Security and Medicare?
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Published on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 by This Can't Be Happening
An 'Oh Please!' Moment: Is S&P Running Interference for the Right to Help Crush Social Security and Medicare?

by Dave Lindorff


Today’s breathless anxiety-inducing headline was that Standard & Poors, the rating agency, has issued a “negative outlook” warning on US sovereign debt, claiming that the US, in comparison with other countries with a top AAA credit rating, has "very large budget deficits and rising government indebtedness and the path to addressing these is not clear to us". S&P warned that there was a “a one in three chance that the US could lose its AAA rating in two years because of its mounting debt.”

The ratings firm--one of three global companies that Wall Street relies upon to establish the credit ratings of companies and nations around the world--said its analysts had “little confidence” that the Obama administration and the divided Congress would reach any agreement on a deficit-reduction plan before the next national election in the fall of 2012, and that they doubted that any such plan would be adopted until after 2014, two whole Congressional elections away.

So far, the other two ratings agencies, Moody’s and Fitch Ratings, have not followed suit. Moody’s issued a statement saying, ““Moody’s rating for the US is Aaa and remains stable,” though the company warns that “an upward debt trajectory and increasing fiscal pressures could increase the likelihood of an “outlook change” within “the next two years.”

Meanwhile, Fitch Ratings, which unlike Moody’s and S&P, is based in Europe, took an even more sober stance, saying, “In Fitch's opinion, the likelihood of the U.S. government failing to honor its financial obligations and in particular make due and full payments on U.S. Treasury securities is extremely low. Ultimately, the recognition of the dire consequences of failing to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner will prevail over differences on the more fundamental issue of how best to place U.S. public finances on a sustainable path over the medium- to long-term.” Fitch goes on to add, “The brinkmanship over the debt ceiling and the 2011 budget will be resolved...Fitch does expect that the tough choices on tax and spending will be made - as is starting to be seen at the state and local level - that are necessary to place public finances on a sustainable path.” Unlike S&P and Moody’s, Fitch’s analysts note the critical point that “The U.S. 'AAA' status is underpinned by the flexibility and dynamism of its economy, as well as the exceptional financing flexibility that derives from the U.S. dollar's role as the world's predominant reserve currency.” ..............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/19-1



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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:08 AM
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1. We should trust an entity that rated junk mortgage back investment vehicles as AAA?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:41 AM
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9. b.i.n.g.o.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 01:10 AM
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21. Trust that those same fuckers will wipe their ass on us if we let them.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:11 AM
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2. S&P executives should be in jail actually
These assholes were knee deep in the fraud that happened on Wall Street.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:40 PM
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14. +1
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:14 AM
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3. The right wing is definitely hyping this
hoping that it will finally push everybody into full-blown "hair on fire" crisis mode over the deficit and lead to cuts to Medicare, Social Security, etc. I was listening to Boortz rail about this for a few minutes last night and his analysis of the problem is that there are fewer workers today than there were when these programs were created, thus we need to cut benefits to keep up with this reality. Of course, he never bothered to ponder for a moment exactly why there are so many people out of work and what the role that outsourcing and other business practices and Republican policies might be having on the unemployment situation. There are so many ways to find $$$$ to pay for social programs and fix the economy (including the deficit) but until we have a comprehensive discussion that includes rescinding all of these tax breaks and subsidies that the wealthy enjoy, as well as looking at military spending, we need to fight any and all attempts by the right to force "austerity" measures on the rest of us.
:mad:
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StandingInLeftField Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:15 AM
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4. Well, wadda' ya' know!
Looks like the Koch boys called in a few favors.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:16 AM
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5. That's what I thought at first but then I wondered if S&P is truly
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 11:16 AM by Raven
worried about the crazies in Congress sending the US and the world into a complete meltdown. S&P may have joining the growing list of experts and rational people who have warned about the consequences of not raising the debt ceiling. This is a game of chicken. Obama has to continue to insist on a clean bill on the debt limit. He can suggest that the debate on entitlements (I hate that word) budget cuts come with the 2012 bundget process. I think most rational people would accept that and I still cling to the assumption that most people in this country are still rational.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:10 PM
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12. s&p actively abetted securities fraud. next.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 10:58 PM
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16. Nice way to dismiss legitimate concerns...
So, some company or person has a big negative in their past, like everyone does, so you don't listen to them?

NEXT
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:23 PM
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17. no, once an institution has demonstrated it's corrupt, i no longer listen to them.
do you?

because that would be very stupid.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:21 AM
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6. It was my first suspicion when I heard the news on Monday
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 02:32 AM
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23. Same here. of course, maybe Iceland is showing us the way.
We don't need those stinking bankers.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:24 AM
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7. Recommend
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:34 AM
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8. "the path to addressing these" is not clear to them because they don't know where on Earth their own
Edited on Tue Apr-19-11 11:43 AM by patrice
fucking EQUITY is, except that tied up in bad domestic real-estate mortgages that they, from the start, intended to foreclose on, but CAN'T now, because they don't know who owns the mortgages, all of which adds up to pressure to sell out to FOREIGN POWERS who DO know where their own equity is and then leave the decision as to whether to keep the *P*R*I*V*A*T*E* Federal Reserve financing our debt or not with those FOREIGN POWERS instead of with a collectivity that they have the unmitigated GALL to refer to as "us".

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:46 AM
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10. vast rite wing conspiracy,
but also republikkklan teahadists and rite wing media is making them stupid and obstinate.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:07 PM
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11. Tried and true scare tactics..
Scare America to crush SS and Medicare and all other civil programs.

I am guessing this is Obama's doing - getting S&P to say this...

Real solution:

1. Tariffs
2. bring back manufacturing and therefore our jobs
3. Tax the rich
4. End all Wars
5. Cut the War Dept budget 50%
6. End all corporate tax loopholes
7. End oil subsidies.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 02:49 PM
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15. you automatically jump to 'this is Obama's doing'?
it's seems pretty obvious that it's more likely (did you read the article linked?) a Republican ruse. Swear to god - this place looks more & more like teabagger underground every day!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 01:11 AM
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22. WTF Obama's doing? Are you in the wrong stall?
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 01:47 PM
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13. Yes n/t
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:24 PM
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18. The timing was mighty suspicious.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-11 11:34 PM
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19. And the Republican "long con" continues...
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 12:18 AM
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20. China urges ‘responsible’ U.S. action on debt
China urges ‘responsible’ U.S. action on debt
By MarketWatch
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — China has called on the U.S. to take “responsible” policies and measures to protect the interests of its lenders after ratings agency Standard & Poor’s downgraded its outlook on the U.S. credit rating Monday.
“We hope the U.S. government earnestly adopts responsible policies and measures to protect the interests of investors,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said Tuesday, according to a Wall Street Journal report.

The comments came after S&P this week downgraded its outlook on U.S. government bonds to negative from stable.

China, armed with foreign exchange reserves of more than $3 trillion, owns more than $1 trillion of U.S. government debt.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-urges-responsible-us-action-on-debt-2011-04-19
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:30 AM
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24. The Senate releases a report which,
among other things, criticized S&P for their behavior leading up to the financial crisis. Some Senators hint at possible criminal charges. Several days later S&P announces a negative outlook on US sovereign debt.

A coincidence?
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