The debt limit ALWAYS passes, Obama better not give up ANYTHING for it!

[KelleyKramer]

No matter who controls the White House or congress, the debt limit always passes, always.

Yes there have been battles before, with a lot of threats, but that is nothing but politicians posturing and bluffing.

The Republicans repeatedly increased the debt limit when Bush had the WH and they controlled congress.

This is an easy call.

If Obama gives up anything, anything at all for a debt ceiling vote, let it be very clear..

That is NOT a 'compromise deal', that is NOT to be 'bipartisan'.

If Obama gives up anything on this to the Republicans it is because that is what Obama really wants

This is such a clear call that maybe this time Obama will not give away anything on it

I can only hope

[hugo_from_TN]

1. +10

You are 100% correct. There is no way the any politician will default on US debt.

[indepat]

5. You are likely correct, but the wild-card is pubs are now controlled by the insane and

the depraved, both corroborated daily by the extreme ideology spewed and the loathsome works spawned. :patriot:

[AlinPA]

6. Except the stupid teabaggers. They are crazy.

[Autumn]

2. Very true k/r n/t

[KelleyKramer]

3. Why the unrecs???

I don't get it.

This could not be more clear, whats the problem????

[TheKentuckian]

4. Of course.

[nevergiveup]

7. I don't think the president should give up a damn thing

but I also confess of never having seen a political climate as crazy as the one we live in today and I have been an adult since the L.B.J. administration. The right wing nuts in Congress appear to be on a Kamikaze mission. It is down right scary.

[Zanzoobar]

8. There is no constitutional debt limit

It's a political tool.

A political tool is as liquid as water.

Water seeks the form of its capsule.

[slipslidingaway]

9. There's Opportunity in the Debt-Ceiling Vote for the Democrats Too

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/2166-There-s-Opportunity-in-the-Debt-Ceiling-Vote-for-the-Democrats-Too

"...But who is “the majority” now, and whose burden is this debt-ceiling vote? This is the first time since 1987 that we’ve had a divided Congress, so it’s unclear where the burden lies. Is it the Republicans, who solidly control the majoritarian House of Representatives, or is it the Democrats, who have a slim Senate majority and veto power in the White House? Obviously, this is about perception and messaging, but I’d say it’s still an open question.

We know what the Republicans want — cuts to spending on social programs and free reign to cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy without having to offset their impact on the deficit. They were out early with their position on the debt ceiling vote, with Boehner saying on the day Geithner sent him a letter notifying him of the need to raise the limit that “the American people will not stand for such an increase unless it is accompanied by meaningful action by the President and Congress to cut spending and end the job-killing spending binge in Washington.”

But what do the Democrats want? With a divided Congress, there is no reason the Republicans get to play this one harder than the Democrats. The fact is, the Republicans are not going to allow the U.S. to surpass the debt limit any more than the Democrats are going to. Just yesterday, for example, the president of the Chamber of Commerce dismissed the “political carrying-on” around the debt ceiling vote and said, unequivocally, that Congress has to get it done. “We absolutely support the expansion of the debt,” he said. “We’ve got to do the debt ceiling.” Remember, the Chamber is influential enough with congressional Republicans that they got them to block the 9/11 health care bill for first responders because the Chambers’ member businesses opposed the pay-for that would have closed tax loopholes for multinationals doing business in the U.S. The Republican Budget Committee Chairman, Rep. Paul Ryan , pretty much admitted as well recently that the Republicans are not going to allow a default on the debt.

So the debt-ceiling vote is probably the Democrats’ best shot at getting any of their legislative priorities through the Republican House. It’s an opportunity for a Defense-cut-heavy budget-balancing program, an extension of unemployment insurance benefits for the million of unemployed workers who have exhausted all their benefits, or tax cuts targeted at the middle-class. So far, there doesn’t seem to be a lot of thinking along these lines, but for folks like the long-term unemployed who are looking for a way to get something through the gridlocked Congress, this is an opportunity that is going to come and go fast."

[KelleyKramer]

11. Exaclty!! ...

This is a great opportunity for Obama to go on offense, and actually (gasp!) make his own demands for compromise from the GOP.

Even more so, that would strengthen his negotiating power in the current full budget battle, and many other issues going forward.

It's so easy and clear cut, almost like a gift.

Will Obama open the gift wrapped package or throw it away?

We shall see

[riderinthestorm]

10. I recced your thread but please note that many similar threads calling for a clean vote on the debt

ceiling usually drop like stones (including one of mine).

It seems utterly obvious doesn't it? This is an easy deal but Obama is purposefully making it harder than it should be. Why?

Honestly, why is he doing that?

He should just say that its too damn important to play with, send me a clean bill or I'll veto anything you send until it's straight up.

Too many Dems have bought into the Rethugs position that we somehow need to compromise here.

No way. There's no way the Rethugs will really do it. Especially after today's ratings fiasco.

[KelleyKramer]

15. Yes, interesting ...

It certainly is an obvious move

See the posts in this thread just above.

It is actually a chance for Obama to go on offense

Will he seize that opportunity?

[russ1943]

12. Duh??????????????

IMO the logic and conclusion(s) expressed in this thread are silly.
Since the debt limit has always passed before, this is an easy call?
Among other things; Have you noticed the influence the TEA Party?
Of course Obama will have to give up “something”. Obama won’t have to want to give up something when he’s dealing with TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY congresscritters and their supporters who are childish adamant and short sighted. I have a completely opposite perspective and recent history leads me to believe it’s not whether or not the administration will have to give up something, the only unknown is how much.
You’re right about one thing, we can only hope.

[NCarolinawoman]

13. Geithner is already reassuring Wall Street that there will be a compromise.

He was on Bloomberg News and Fox News.

Geithner has never had our best interest at heart. :(

[slipslidingaway]

14. Geithner, head of the NY FEd since 2003, he watched as the bubble grew. n/t

[KelleyKramer]

16. You should watch 'Inside Job'

I just saw it last week and highly recommend it. One of the best doc films I have ever seen.

[russ1943]

17. Your seeing a movie, even a good one,

Doesn't mean I haven't seen it also. Let's see what happens.

[democracy1st]

18. K & R looking forward to this