freeper: "If You Raise Taxes on the Job Creators, They'll Take Their Capital and Jobs Overseas."

[Yavin4]

me: "Fine. Then we'll impose tarriffs on their goods and services that they want to sell in the U.S."

freeper: "But, you cannot do that"

me: "Why?"

freeper: "Because that's protectionism."

me: "So?"

freeper: "Well, when you use protectionism, that will destroy jobs."

me: "What jobs? You just said the job creators took their jobs overseas because of high taxes. There's nothing to destroy."

Cue the Harry Mudd robots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8HVbdw4gbI

Fascinating.

[W_HAMILTON]

1. We lowered tax on the "job creators"...

...for the past decade and they still took their jobs overseas.

Too bad we didn't tax the hell out of them and get some of our money back before they went overseas, eh? :)

[jtrockville]

17. ^ THIS

When faced with lower taxes in the USA, the "job creators" exported jobs.
So to convince them to keep jobs in the USA, we should lower taxes.

Really? This is the talking point they're sticking with?

[deminks]

2. But, but they've taken all the jobs overseas with no taxes over the last 10 years.

[n2doc]

15. +1 n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

3. "If You *LOWER* Taxes on the Job Creators, They'll Take Their Capital and Jobs Overseas."

no_hypocrisy

[onehandle]

4. onehandle: "Soak the rich with taxes and penalties, pay off the debt and create jobs programs."

Go FDR on America's ass.

[Ishoutandscream2]

9. + freakin' infinity!

[SusanaMontana41]

31. Oh SNAP! n/t

[Armstead]

5. For 30 years America has been subjected to corporate Doublespeak

It is a amazing how messages coming out of Corporate America and it's lackeys in the Political Industrial Complex.

"We are laying prop,e off to protect jobs."

"We need to form monopolies to preserve competition."

"outsourcing jobs will allow America to remain competitive."

It defies common sense, and we have long needed to find ways to counteract the paradoxical lies that passes for conventional wisdom these days.

[DBoon]

6. You mean China and India have free markets?

With no protectionism? And low taxes? And no government regulation to strangle the John Galts of the business world?

[DrDan]

7. he has it wrong - when you raise taxes, the job creators put the money

back into the business so as to avoid the taxes, thus creating jobs.

[Yavin4]

14. My Plan Is, Let The "Job Creators" Leave

Tax their imports. Use that tax money for R&D and infrastructure projects such as new transportation systems. Create new industries such as renewable energy and other high tech jobs.

[Carni]

26. No kidding! eom

[tex-wyo-dem]

27. Of course he's got it wrong...

Something I've learned about freeper/teabaggers is that any opinion they have, you can be assued the truth lies somewhere in the exact opposite quadrant. It's like they live in a mirrored universe where everything is turned on its head, yet they can't recognize that they are wrong all of the time...lies are truth.

[L. Coyote]

8. NEEDED: More "job creators" so raise the minimum wage as an economic stimulus

and that extra money infused into the economy at 5:15 on Friday will do more to create jobs in one month than all the rich plutocrats have done in the past 8 years.

[alphafemale]

10. The manufacturing jobs moved overseas years ago.

And it's kinda hard to get a McGreasy through a drivethru from overseas. Otherwise the corporate robber barons would have outsourced those jobs to someone willing/able to work for $20 a week too.

[Ishoutandscream2]

11. AGGGAGHHHHHHH!!

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :nuke:

[blm]

12. Taxes were lowered considerably by GWBush and corporations STILL sent 3 million jobs overseas.

They are lining their pockets while the working class suffers, because they are no longer invested emotionally or financially in the care of this nation and its people, they are only serving themSELVES.

[Starry Messenger]

13. There are people here who advance that line as well.

[badtoworse]

16. Let's look at it from another perspective...

What do you think it would take to make the US an attractive place for companies to build manufacturing plants and other facilities that would creat jobs? Businesses left because they got a better deal elsewhere. What can we offer that would bring them back?

[raouldukelives]

18. We can repeal child labor laws

Reduce minimum wage to $2 an hour. End EPA protections. Cut the corporate tax rate more. I would imagine we have a bipartisan committee hard at work on those right now.

[rurallib]

19. drive the price of labor down to that of China?

[Yavin4]

20. Frankly, I Don't Care If They Come Back

To be honest, I really don't care if we make socks here in the U.S. Our emphasis should be on creating NEW businesses and NEW jobs, not beg corporations for existing jobs in mature industries.

We are consumers, and as such, we have power that we should exercise. You want to sell your low priced Chinese made junk here in the U.S., then pay us for that right to do so, and we'll use that money to create NEW industries in renewable energy and rebuild our infrastructure with a particular empahsis on new methods of transportation.

Also, understand this. The better companies will stay right here in the U.S. because we have the best overall talent in the world, with the exception of Europe, but their labor won't be cheap.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. Tariffs. n/t

[krispos42]

33. Peak oil, tariffs.

Once oil costs even more than it does not, the shipping costs from, say, China to the US will make it a better business proposition to manufacture in the US.


And by artificially raising the price on imported goods that we can and should be making here, the "better deal" gets nullified. And given a choice between dealing with a foreign government and 7,000-mile shipping lanes or making stuff here, they'll make stuff here.



The companies can only sell things in the US as long as US citizens have money to buy them. By exporting jobs, they hurt the purchasing power of the US citizens and thus their ability to profit.


HOWEVER, if a company doesn't do it while everybody else does, that company is punished by the market.

It's a classic case of "penny-wise and pound stupid". By doing what is in their individual best interest, they collectively do what is in their individual worst interest.

[Leftist Agitator]

38. This is an excellent analysis.

"By doing what is in their individual best interest, they collectively do what is in their individual worst interest."

Indeed.

[PVnRT]

21. They already are. Why not get our cut?

[EC]

22. Industries aren't just looking for cheap.

They are also looking for an educated work force (I think it was Chrysler that said they built in Canada because American workers are not educated enough to do simple tasks)water, transportation, and no medical costs...It's not only China and Mexico that are getting the industries - it's Canada and Europe...places with pay comparable to ours and unions, but they are smarter and have no medical costs or pension costs (the governments provide these in a mix of different methods). Many of these countries have extended paid vacations (6 wk), sick days and all have family leave benies. Look at Germany...they are the leader.

[wickerwoman]

35. Education cost and housing inflation also make the US less competitive.

If you're hiring people with $80,000 in student loans who have to pay $1,500 a month for a crappy apartment they're going to have to demand higher salaries to cover their nut. This is not an attractive environment to locate your business in.

If university education and health care were free (the way they are in France) and if housing price inflation was curbed by less predatory lending and better social housing policies, the US would be able to attract and retain more businesses.

There's a way to structure it so that everyone wins. But people for some reason just can't see that high student loans, high housing costs, crappy transportation, bloodsucking insurance programmes instead of proper healthcare and gutted social safety nets hurt *everyone* including and especially businesses.

[EstimatedProphet]

24. How do you lower taxes on demand?

I am so fed up with these morons that think rich people wander around creating jobs out of the goodness of their hearts. DEMAND creates jobs, nothing else. There is not one single rich person in the world that will create a job without the demand to back it up.

[socialist_n_TN]

41. Word! This is TRUTH with a capital T!.......

And R, and U, and T, and H! I've know a few VERY wealthy people in my life and they NEVER CREATED A JOB OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART! They only created jobs when DEMAND was there. And IF demand is there, they'll create a job even if they have to pay a tax ON THE JOB THEY CREATE! IOW, if the demand is there, a job WILL be created. Period. End of story.

[hootinholler]

25. Um didn't congress give them tax breaks to offshore jobs? n/t

[tex-wyo-dem]

28. Okay, here's the thing that drives me insane about this issue...

And it's never discussed in the "news" media:

That raising taxes on the wealthy pertains to personal income, not business/corporate. Much of the wealthy gain their wealth through ownership of companies/businesses/corporations where they pay themselves handsomely out of their company's profits. By raising tax rates on personal income, it will encourage business owners to invest profitts back into the business since that money will be tax exempt. This will, in turn, CREATE JOBS, NOT LOSE THEM!

On top of that, if our government would start using its tariff power again to encourage corpoations to keep jobs at home, well...you know the rest.

[Keith Bee]

29. Right, like they haven't already been doing that for 30 years

:nopity:

[DearAbby]

30. Sounds like a battered wife

If he leaves, I won't know what to do!

[krispos42]

32. The job creators are us, not the wealthy.

Demand creates jobs, not supply.


So the freeper is already in error. But even in error you get them!


Excellent!

[EstimatedProphet]

37. God forbid anyone ever understand that

The idiots will actually say things like "I never got a job from a poor person!" as proof that rich people wander around creating jobs ex nihilo, and never understand how completely stupid they sound.

[kenny blankenship]

34. That's cool. I'm pretty sure our armies can go overseas to find 'em, too

I wonder if these godlike "Job Creators" are faster than an F-15? If they won't listen to me, they might ask an Iraqi: it's much, MUCH better to have the F-15s, F-35s, Abrams tanks and cruise missiles on your side rather than against you. They might want to consider that the vaults of foreign banks are not proof against US weaponry, if it comes to that. The Cayman Islands may have some nice beaches and Lichtenstein may have some swanky chateaux, and very "understanding" and "accomodating" banking laws, but neither they nor Andorra nor Anguilla have jack shit for a military.

[eilen]

39. Exactly

and when China decides to re-nationalize all their factories, mines and other industry and gives the remaining "internationals" a choice-- leave or be re-educated-- where will they be?

Not every government nor movement is motivated by capitalism. That is something these wealthy so-called executives don't understand. Look at Nigeria and Venezuela. The Red Tide has moved through China once, it can do so again-- who is going to stop it?

[white_wolf]

40. "and when China decides to re-nationalize all their factories, mines and other industry"

I'll admit I don't pay a lot of attention to China's political landscape, but from what little I do know, I see no sign of them re-nationalizing anything. The ruling party in China seems to be purely capitalist, unless I'm missing something? Is there a faction of the Communist Party actually trying to restore some form of socialism? If so, I'd be interested in reading about it, if you have any links.

[Brigid]

36. Silly freeper.

Economics is for thinking people.

[Urban Prairie]

42. There HAS to be a way for me to get rich off these freeper idiots

Maybe start a blog repeating rightwing talking points, or perhaps better still publish a Women Of The Tea Party/Rightwing 2012 calendar featuring faux photoshopped skimpily-clad or dominatrix-like pictures each month of Palin, O'Donnell, Bachmann, Coulter, Parker, Malkin, et al.

[white_wolf]

43. I have to say something.

I feel sorry these people, I mean they clearly have been taught to hate themselves and view the rich as better than them. It's sad and pathetic, really. Hopefully, they will wake up and realize that the "Ayn Rands" of the world are to be despised, not idolized.