KEITH/FOK NATION: "It's not if you know them... It's how many of them you know."

[kpete]

VIDEO: The First Guess: Lotto Nation
http://foknewschannel.com/video/the-first-guess-lotto-nation/

...............

It's not that you know somebody like this, A conservative with credit card debt, possibly unemployed, smoking and drinking their way towards the hospital, screaming about socialism and Tea Parties, and Fox News, and Limbaugh, and birth certificates.. It's not if you know them... It's how many of them you know.

Keith goes on to analyze these Tea Party mice. There are two kinds, one just a little bit smarter than the other.

The more easily lead are absolutely convinced that they will win the lottery tomorrow. They literally believe that money will fall from the sky and they will be rich and they'll be damned if they will let the socialists take that money they don't have and are never going to get.m The other type of conservative is more likely to believe that he will move up in the American dream scenario that has been drummed into his head since childhood.He is better than those around him and he know that someday he will take over his gas station.... or law office and will someday open a chain of them, and get a reality television show, and he'll be damned if he'll let the socialists get the money he doesn't have and is never going to get.

Keith is in rare form when exposes the "self defeating conservatives" who jealously guard the imaginary riches that they will never own.

Why do the conservative mice go to their economic deaths defending the conservative fat cats?
Because either they do not know that they are mice, or they have been convinced or they have convinced themselves that someday they will become....... cats.

the rest:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/20/968620/-Fok-News#20-Republicans-and-the-Lotto-Nation

[truebrit71]

1. That last quote is simply superb...

...and sums up the problem with ALL of the wingnuts...they are deluded...

[upi402]

2. Mice deluded by the media into thinking they're cats

That gets my vote.

Bring back KO

[Solly Mack]

3. k/r

[JohnnyRingo]

4. I have a conservative friend that sent me a clip of Steve Forbes talking tax cuts

I emailed back, asking when he first realized that he and Forbes had common goals.
I recall that I ended it by sarcastically pointing out that Forbes always speaks highly of him too.

I have another republican friend who approached giddiness when she found out years ago that the Bush tax cuts would lower the dividend tax. It turns out she didn't know what that was, and thought it had something to do with her car insurance. LOL.

[truth2power]

14. JohnnyRingo...This is similar to what Thomas Frank said

in "What's the Matter With Kansas" where he stated that when Janet Jackson has a "wardrobe malfunction" during half-time the wingnuts go berserk at the immorality of it all and they rush to the polls and vote to lower her taxes.

or...

A couple months ago a former acquaintance of mine showed up at my door. He and his cohorts were canvassing the neighborhood trying to get people to sign up with one of those alternative electric utility companies.

It was a nice day and we stood in the yard chatting for awhile. At one point he told me that he was a Libertarian, then, later in the conversation, mentioned that he had been on Medicaid several years ago. I don't begrudge him having been on Medicaid, but didn't he see the incongruity of it all??

or...

A couple of summers ago there was a thread and pics here on DU...some Teabaggers were in D.C. protesting "socialized medicine". During the process one man collapsed; probably from the heat. The pics showed the Capitol police and EMT's ministering to him, as they were tasked to do. I think he was taken to the hospital.

Problem is...I didn't see any indication that he refused the aid of those "socialist" public servants. Don't these people ever see the incongruity of their stance? I don't get it. I guess one explanation is what Keith said, above.

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Keep them coming Keith!

Although, on this one, there's a better answer. He isn't exactly correct. I hope he reads this:

The relationship between the poor Republican and the rich Republican is not a relationship between rats and cats. It's more like the relationship between a remora and a shark if you go by the assumption that remoras clean the shark's teeth as well as hangs on to catch bits of food debris that the shark doesn't swallow. If you get a chance to study the relationships up close in a real field environment with people, you'll find the same relationships occur in a red community.

What you will see is that the fat cats are always hiring their loyal remoras. They hire them for lawn service, pesticide service, house cleaning, catering, curtains and blinds and other house decorating needs. They are careful who they bring into their home, and who they reward with a paycheck. If they have to do something that draws people into their private circles, they want people that see the world just like they do. And that doesn't mean just politics. It means religious views, it means going to the same schools, same rotary clubs, etc.

The blue collar worker, which is represented by the remora, adapts to pleasing the shark since in the human version, it's the shark's choice whether he stays or goes hungry. That means he needs to know how to recite the same outlook on life as the shark has so the shark feels comfortable with him. No surprise here that this relationship has found its own dog whistle language, sinking down to the lowest common denominator which is hate talk of anyone or anything that doesn't buy into this subservient worker to master relationship. This is why minorities get locked out. They don't share the kind of cultural experiences that would pass through this selective, insular filtering system (and, personally, I don't think it's in the best interest of this country that they ever do.)

Now, though I can respect this symbiotic relationship between human remoras and sharks, the reason why it threatens me as a Leftie, is not just because the sharks, or masters, are selective about who they bestow their money to, but because those masters have reached their position in society by infiltrating every agency on a local and state level which would ensure equality and justice to those that they harm. And they do take liberties. They own judges, they have lawyers who are rainmakers which can't be touched no matter how crooked they are, they know school principals who can fire those that disagree with them, and of course, they own police chiefs. On top of that, they reward their most loyal remoras by pulling strings for them to get the remoras into City and County jobs, where the remora not only finds a higher income to enjoy, but is now in a position to hamstring the government system further, in favor of the shark.

It's a wake up call. When you see how powerful they have become, how far their heavy wallets have skewed the balance of fairness and justice, can you blame a remora for being a remora? In some ways, they are sad, desperate creatures who have lost all self-respect, and of course, lost their souls and integrity.

And, yes, all politics is local. That's where these unholy fiefdoms begin.

[Bette Noir]

18. Maybe that's how it works in your neighborhood.

Where I lived, jobs were given out based on ethnicity. Rich people didn't hire people like them; as often as not, they didn't even speak the same language as their employees.

[gratuitous]

6. "Money they don't have and are never going to get"

And they don't want to pay hypothetical taxes on mythical wealth, dammit!

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. In the good ole boy network, actually, there is a clear progression.

Promoting from within, rewarding loyalty, all these things play into the perception that the Republican system works for the common guy. He just has to be willing to prove he will set aside his ethical standards to promote their cause. And yes, he will get the pull up he needs to a higher position, usually in government, where he can continue to promote the fat cat's agenda.

[gratuitous]

9. Loyalty must be bought, but the price is exceeding cheap

Certainly cheaper than what it would cost to have a more equitable system, even though the cats or the sharks can't possibly spend now all that they've hoarded for themselves. Eventually, the system has to correct itself, just like those magical free markets conservatives and libertarians love to posit but never quite create. Unfortunately for those who suck up so much more than they need or deserve or earn, the hands that enforce those corrections aren't invisible.

But they'll live high for a while, and that may be all that matters.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. I think we're in the process of creating a correction.

It just depends on how much courage the Democrats have at turning in their own.

[truth2power]

15. "...usually in government..." That stood out for me. Would that be

the government they think can't do anything right, and which they are trying to destroy?? :rofl:

I swear...they're so easy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. You connected the dots.

It is so apparent to see for anyone who bothers to even pay attention to the relationships between community leaders and elected officials and all the little people they count on to infiltrate the masses. This is getting down to the human level. Unfortunately, those people are part of a very strong network. Just when you think you're closing in on them, you find out someone has infiltrated your own circle and you get undermined.

That's why it's nearly impossible to eradicate this kind of corruption. It's too endemic. To both parties.

[Logical]

7. K and R

[Bgno64]

11. Something that he misses though,

which I get from talking to some conservatives i know - they really do believe that "redistribution is immoral."

They've been taught well. Even when "redistribution" benefits them or their families or their communities, they really do think that the government taking money via taxes from anyone so it can be given to those who didn't earn it is a moral evil.

Particularly when they believe the poor to be "undeserving."

[JohnnyRingo]

12. I have some friends like that too.

The cut-off for government aid always begins just below them.

Most of these fiscal conservatives who I refer to as "barstool republicans" don't seem to realize they themselves are two paychecks away from the welfare and food stamps they so desperately want to cut for others.

When the same people are questioned how they feel about the Social Security checks they receive, they invariably reply that they deserve it and are collecting the money they paid in as if it's a savings account. I usually ask if they'll start returning checks when they recover all the money they contributed.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. the problem is that all the redistribution is from the poor and middle class to the rich

why don't they think that is immoral?

[bertman]

17. This liberal mouse proudly kicks this thread. Squeak! nt

[felix_numinous]

19. It's the Wall Street high stakes gambler mentality

that has turned the American Dream into a Hallucination, they are truly like drug addicts who have lost touch with reality--and the rest of us have got to confront them into facing their destructive habits --lying, cheating, stealing (and worse).

There has to be an intervention--America needs to have a serious family meet'n.

[RagAss]

20. It's a brain disorder and a gift that keeps on giving. I find them entertaining.

[HolyCity2012]

21. The First Guess: Lotto Nation

Why do middle class conservatives support politicians who seem to be working only for the very rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x575692

[butterfly77]

22. Kicked&Recommended...

[Motown_Johnny]

23. I have been wondering if it would be easier to pass taxes on the rich IF...

.. we wrote in some type of exemption for Lottery winnings.


I agree with KO that many people honestly believe they will hit it big with a lottery ticket and that they vote against their actual economic self interest based on that belief.

If they can "eat their cake and have it to" in so far as voting for their economic best interests are concerned, then we might have a stampede of people willing to support increased taxes for incomes over $1 Million a year.

Hell, so few people win the lottery that it wouldn't have any significant economic impact anyways.

I say we push for new tax brackets at $1 Million, $10 Million, $50 Million and $100 Million but with a 35% cap for lottery winnings.

[zalinda]

24. I think you got this one wrong, Keith

They believe, with all their heart and souls that if the rich and corporations had more money, they would create more jobs. This has been drummed into them for 30 years, and they are now thoroughly convinced that this is the ONLY way to get out of a recession. For some reason they can't see that Bob's Hardware store only hires more people when he has more sales, not when he has more money. They cannot see that when you raise taxes, that the rich and corporations find SOME THING to invest in, so they don't have to pay taxes. In their eyes, give to a charity, hire more people, open a store, ANY THING to not pay taxes to the government, which is standard operating procedure.

zalinda