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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 08:59 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 63
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-21">AJE Live Blog April 21 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x925586">Day 62 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Rebel fighters carry a fallen comrade, injured in an effort to dislodge Qaddafi loyalists from a building on Tripoli Street in downtown Misrata.

Photograph: Chris Hondros, killed April 20


Photojournalist and filmmaker Tim Hetherington (L) and Getty Images photojournalist Chris Hondros are seen in this combination photo April 21, 2011.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/20/a_life_less_ordinary_the_photographs_of_chris_hondros">A Life Less Ordinary: The Photographs of Chris Hondros
On April 20, war photojournalist Chris Hondros was killed, apparently by a rocket-propelled grenade, while covering the front lines of Libya's civil war in the besieged rebel outpost of Misrata. For the staff of Foreign Policy, Chris was far more than a credit line under a photo, though he was certainly that: His name appears on countless FP stories, from a devil's grab bag of locations -- Liberia, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Haiti, Egypt's Tahrir Square, and most recently, Libya.

But we didn't merely rely on Chris's ability to vividly capture the most extreme moments of human existence -- from the immediacy of close-quarters combat in ravaged Libyan apartment blocks to a quake-injured Haitian child looking for solace in a makeshift balloon. We also considered him a friend. His humanism, courage, and artistic brilliance will be sorely missed in this office as well as in many, many other parts of the world. In celebration of Chris's life and work, we present a selection of our favorite photos.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110421">"Restrepo" director Tim Hetherington killed in Libya: doctors
(Reuters) - Fighting in Libya's besieged rebel city of Misrata killed at least 10 civilians including an Oscar-nominated British filmmaker, and NATO urged non-combatants to avoid troops so it could step up air strikes.

Among the dead were British photojournalist Tim Hetherington, co-director of Oscar-nominated war documentary "Restrepo," and American photographer Chris Hondros, killed when a group they were in came under mortar fire.

Seven Libyan civilians and a Ukrainian doctor were also killed during fierce fighting in Libya's third largest city, medics said.

France promised the insurgents on Wednesday it would intensify air strikes on Libyan government forces and dispatch military liaison officers, echoing a move by Britain, to help organize poorly trained insurgents.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JGWlFbSVdE">A Spanish colleague of Tim Hetherington recounts the moment they came under fire - video
A Spanish colleague of Tim Hetherington recounts the moment they came under fire in Misurata as the Libyan doctor who attempted to resuscitate the British photojournalist confirms his death.


http://www.economist.com/node/18586978?story_id=18586978&fsrc=rss">Can NATO save Misrata?
THE agonies of Misrata, the western rebel-held city that has withstood a bloody siege by Muammar Qaddafi’s forces for nearly two months, have exposed the dilemmas that are reducing the effectiveness of NATO’s air campaign. As efforts were stepped up to evacuate by sea the badly wounded and the trapped migrant workers desperate to escape, rebel commanders in Misrata warned the outside world via Skype that unless NATO did more to help, the town could fall within days. One, calling himself only Muhammad, said rebel fighters and civilians were “like rats in a cage”, with scores of people dying. He claimed that there had been no air attacks for several days on Colonel Qaddafi’s men, who are surrounding Misrata on three sides: “We are being hit by mortars, Grads, Katyushas, you name it—and there is no action (from NATO).”


Misrata is receiving some medical supplies from the sea (and also weapons coming from Benghazi and possibly Qatar), but with food and water running low and sheer exhaustion setting in, it may not be able to hold out much longer. On April 18th the UN reached an agreement with the Libyan government in Tripoli to establish a “humanitarian presence” in the country that would let aid workers operate in areas controlled by the government, but it is unclear whether this will help Misrata.


Musa Ibrahim, a Libyan-government spokesman, said that the agreement with the UN was to provide “safe passage for people to leave Misrata, to provide aid, food and medicine.” But the implication was that this would happen only after loyalist forces had regained control of the city. Meanwhile, the European Union has drawn up plans to deploy a small military contingent to get help into Misrata, but the UN is nervous about the proposal, and NATO says it does not want to confuse its mission by getting involved other than by ensuring safe passage for ships and aircraft carrying humanitarian supplies.

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NATO’s problem is that it currently lacks both the means and the mandate to do much to help Misrata. Loyalist snipers in buildings across the city cannot be taken out from the air without killing civilians nearby. It is tricky even to go after the mortars (some of which are firing cluster munitions, according to the New York-based Human Rights Watch) and the Grad rockets being fired from outside the town. Compared with a tank or heavy artillery, they represent a tiny and easily hidden target. Yet a single Grad multiple launcher can fire a salvo of 40 (highly inaccurate) rockets.


http://www.workersliberty.org/story/2011/04/20/left-slipping-towards-qaddafi">The left: slipping towards Qaddafi?
When the revolt against Qaddafi started in Libya, hardly anyone on the left — however broadly defined — could say anything in defence of Qaddafi.

With the start of the "no-fly zone", many on the left started to sideline the issues within Libya and focus their efforts on denouncing NATO.

Now the denunciation of NATO, in turn, is acting as a lever to introduce defence of Qaddafi and denunciation of the rebels into broad-left discourse.

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Everything is done by insinuation and sarcasm, just as old-style Stalinists used to deflect criticism of the USSR by studied wondering whether the regime was quite as bad as extreme Western right-wingers used to say, or whether the right-wingers' motives for criticism might be suspect.





http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:00 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 4:00am Thursday, April 21
Sorry guys, I have to eat, this is really sad news today, and I need sleep soon.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:01 PM
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2. Chris Hondros - a retrospective in pictures
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:02 PM
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3. He took the famous "Elvis Camel" pic in Egypt:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:08 PM
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5. This is the picture I remember the most.
Stuck in my mind. I used to wake up every morning after that agonizing about what the Iraqis were going through.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:10 PM
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7. I can't believe some of the troll comments I'm seeing...
...about him. These photographers are some of the most important in the world.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:11 PM
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8. I have come to the conclusion
that there are a number of really sick people in this world.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:52 PM
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11. The details of that incident were featured as part of this Al Jazeera English Documentary
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:58 PM
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12. Thanks.
I remember that picture from very early on in the war - and the story about the family being hit at a checkpoint because they did not stop.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:00 PM
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13. More great photos by Chris Hondros here:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:07 PM
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4. Tim Hetherington remembered
http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/apr/21/tim-hetherington-remembered">Tim Hetherington remembered
I first met Tim while doing a postgrad in journalism at Cardiff University. He was the star student on the photojournalism course – everyone on the print courses wanted to work with him as he fast gained a reputation as a creative photographer with a knack of getting access to interesting people and situations. Back then he was a gangly but striking figure with thick dreads, who always seemed to have a roll–up to hand.


We later worked together on a series of articles on Gulf War Syndrome at the Big Issue in London, where he was their first trainee photojournalist and I was a reporter. I remember trawling the streets and hostels near Waterloo – where cardboard city used to be – with him, tracking down a veteran who claimed to have information of an MoD cover up. The guy clearly suffered from post-traumatic stress but Tim's frank but calm manner soon put him at ease, and we got a great colour feature.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:10 PM
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6. ‘Restrepo’ Director and a Photographer Are Killed in Libya
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 09:11 PM by tabatha
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:14 PM
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9. K&R for visibility
Hi, Josh--hope you had a good day.


:hi:






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 09:17 PM
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10. Misrata: At least 10 civilians killed, 120 people wounded--Reuters



By Michael Georgy

MISRATA, Libya | Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:44pm EDT

(Reuters) - Fighting in Libya's besieged rebel city of Misrata killed at least 10 civilians including an Oscar-nominated British filmmaker, and NATO urged non-combatants to avoid troops so it could step up air strikes.

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Seven Libyan civilians and a Ukrainian doctor were also killed during fierce fighting in Libya's third largest city, medics said.

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Around 120 people were wounded, including the wife of the Ukrainian doctor who lost both of her legs, according to Khalid Abufalgha, a doctor on the Misrata medical committee that tracks civilian casualties.

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"Mohammed and his friends were in our garage. They had gone outside to play when he had to pause to put his shoe on. In that instant the bullet hit his head," said Zeinab, mother of a 10-year-old boy who lay in bed with a bullet wound.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110421








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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:10 PM
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14. Disorganized Rebellion Doesn’t Mean Defeat
Max Boot 04.20.2011 - 12:41 PM

The New York Times has a damning front-page account today about division and discord within the ranks of Libyan rebels. It’s a good thing the Times was not around in 1775 otherwise it would have been quick, no doubt, to write off the prospects of the disorganized and divided rebels who had the effrontery to attack the mighty British empire.

This week, lest we forget, is the 236th anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord, which started the American Revolution. However valiant the Massachusetts Minutemen (i.e., militia) may have been in harassing a column of British regulars, there was scant cause to think in April of 1775 that thirteen isolated colonies could defeat the world’s most powerful empire. Nor did success become a real possibility for years afterward.

As the rebels struggled to organize themselves there was no end of discord among their political and military leaders. Just as in Libya today, there was a constant power struggle going within the ranks of the rebel leadership. Although George Washington was appointed commander-in-chief, there were many who doubted his leadership and openly supported other contenders, such as Horatio Gates and Charles Lee, who had prior British army experience which Washington lacked.

It took years to forge an effective and cohesive fighting force out of the raw materials provided by the states. And even then it is doubtful that the Revolution would have prevailed were it not for the support of the French who provided not only ships and supplies but regular soldiers to stiffen resistance against the British.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/04/20/disorganized-rebellion-doesn%E2%80%99t-mean-defeat/
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:13 PM
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15. Inferior Arms Hobble Rebels in Libya War


Rebels with a rocket launcher usually found on jets and helicopters.
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: April 20, 2011

BENGHAZI, Libya — A PKT machine gun, a weapon designed to be mounted on a Soviet tank and fired electronically by a crew member inside, has no manual trigger, no sights and no shoulder stock. That does not prevent many Libyan rebels from carrying it as if it were an infantryman’s gun, even though it cannot be fired.

A Carcano cavalry carbine — probable refuse from Italian colonization in Libya between the world wars — is chambered for a dated rifle cartridge that the rebels have not been able to procure. That did not deter four rebels recently seen wandering the battlefield with these relics, without a cartridge to fire.

The MAT-49, a submachine gun produced for the French military several decades ago, is a weapon for which it is difficult to obtain parts. That did not seem to trouble one rebel who showed up on the eastern Libyan front brandishing a MAT-49 — with no magazine. He would have been more dangerous with a sling and stone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/world/africa/21rebels.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:15 PM
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16. Colleagues Mourn Slain Photographer
By PIA CATTON

The death of photographer and filmmaker Tim Hetherington in Misrata, Libya, on Wednesday was a blow to New York's media and photography circles. The artist was killed during a battle between rebel and government forces.

Another New York-based photographer, Chris Hondros, who was working for Getty Images, was gravely wounded during the battle and died several hours after Mr. Hetherington. In a statement, a Getty spokeswoman said: "Chris never shied away from the front line having covered the world's major conflicts throughout his distinguished career and his work in Libya was no exception. He will be sorely missed."

Mr. Hetherington, who was born in Liverpool, England, in 1970, and lived in Brooklyn, was a contributing editor at Vanity Fair, which in 2007 sent him and writer Sebastian Junger to document a year with an American battalion in Afghanistan's Korengal. Valley. That assignment led to the duo's documentary "Restrepo," which earned an Oscar nomination this year.

"I think a viewer of Tim's photos might feel that he was really in it with the soldiers—not just observing," said Vanity Fair's photography director, Susan Smith, via email. "That sort of commitment combined with the artistry he brought to the end photograph was a powerful mix."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704658704576275421861476448.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:21 PM
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17. Almost Dawn in Libya: Chris & Tim, Heading Home.
We’re numb here as the clock nears 4:30 a.m., and we’re not quite sure what to do. The deaths of Chris Hondros and Tim Hetherington on Tripoli Street still seem unreal. Bryan just walked off from the little space we’ve been huddled in, working. He’ll sleep soon, I hope. The work kept us busy enough to hold the worst of the feelings away. But now the work is almost done, and it will hit again with the same shock as the first word.

Before that happens, a few words should be typed.

These:

Everyone who admires Chris and Tim, and everyone who loves them, has a debt of gratitude to Human Rights Watch and to the International Organization for Migration, who together, on extremely short notice, bent the world to get Chris’s and Tim’s remains on the Ionian Spirit, the evacuation vessel that by chance was briefly in Misurata port tonight. The vessel delayed its departure to take them aboard and begin their journeys out. Tim was brought down first, while Chris clung to life. When Chris died, there seemed no time to get him there. But HRW worked the phones, pleading by satellite call to the pier to have the ship held up again. They simultaneously urged one of Chris’s and Tim’s colleagues at the triage center to get Chris’s remains en route through the besieged city by ambulance, assessing — correctly as it turned out — that if they could honestly say that he was on his way that no captain would leave the pier.

They were right. Chris and Tim are at sea now, heading toward Benghazi, which means, in the indirect but solemn ways that the fallen travel from battlefields, that they are heading home.

http://cjchivers.com/post/4794700317/almost-dawn-in-libya-chris-tim-heading-home

:cry: :cry:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:26 PM
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18. I am so sorry.
:cry:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:52 PM
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21. Such a tragic loss...
...as was the loss of eight other civilians killed in Misrata the same day (including a Ukrainian doctor whose wife was wounded and had both of her legs amputated).

The friends and colleagues of the journalists we lost won't have time to process the emotional effects on them now. They'll go on, as Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros managed to do for so long, working in dangerous places to bear witness to what is happening and bring us the story. These are truly 'line of duty' losses.

R.I.P. to Hetherington and Hondros, to all the civilians who've died, and to the dead fighters on both sides whose friends and families struggle to deal with their loss. :patriot:






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:55 PM
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22. Yes, in a tragedy like this
we can easily forget the 10,000+ other tragedies of Libya.

I hope that vile man's days are numbered.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:11 AM
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26. It's devastating on all sides
I fought in the jungles of Vietnam a long time ago, and I lost more than 60 guys I knew there. Their loss had a much bigger impact on me than I kew, and I buried it, and the things I saw, for a lot of years.

Decades later, I sat down for lunch in Vietnam with former allies and former enemies, and I was struck by how much we had in common--in our shared experience as combatants and in the effects of war experience and loss on us.

In some ways, I had more in common with my former enemies than I did with my countrymen who had not had our experience.

Vietnam turned me into something of a pacifist, but not an absolute pacifist. I believe that there are things worth fighting for, and things worth dying for. After decades of being 'disappeared,' tortured and executed merely for peacefully expressing dissent, the Libyan people have made their choice about what's worth fighting and dying for.

As much as I hate war, my heart is with them...and I feel for all the losses...






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:13 AM
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27. Hmmm - that must have been tough.
I have the greatest sympathy for those who have been in war. It is an ugly business. But Gaddafi is uglier.

Time to call it a day. Hope there is better news tomorrow.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:02 AM
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28. Thanks for that touching story.
I too consider myself non-violent, and am insulted by the "pro-war" insults that people throw about ("pro-war" is a slander as bad as "pro-abortion").
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:38 AM
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29. At one point, at that lunch in Vietnam...
...I said to the others there that I wished that, instead of killing each other, we could have been sharing lunch and stories, and laughter--and at that point, we were all in tears...






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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:50 AM
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33. This recalls to me the history I have read of the WWI Live and Let Live philosophy:
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 01:51 AM by joshcryer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_and_let_live">Live and let live

edit: link won't work, but it goes to a disambigaution article and it's a few links down referring to WWI

Basically the fighters didn't want to fight, so they didn't.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:04 AM
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34. We fought, because we had to
Enemy forces were seeking to engage and destroy us, as we were them. Many of my men were draftees, and many were opposed to the war. But out in the jungle, that didn't matter--all that mattered was survival.






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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:34 PM
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65. *hugs*
I feel like saying anything else would be wrong and wouldn't be honoring you and your story.

So - *hugs*
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:52 PM
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75. Sounds like you and I arrived at the same meeting place
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 06:01 PM by Iterate
from the two opposite trails of the day, but I guess we knew that already. I'm not sure how that happens, but I'm glad it did.

In the end, our separate paths leaves me simply agreeing with you. There are some things, very few things, worth fighting for. The consequences of not fighting are worse than the battle itself, and that's true for politics and the legal system as well.

But that doesn't mean it's not sometimes just unbearable.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:32 PM
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19. 'Restrepo' Partner: War Photographer Tim Hetherington Never Thought Himself Brave
Veteran war photographer Tim Hetherington, who was killed by a rocket attack in Misrata, Libya, today never considered himself brave, despite operating for years in some of the world's most deadly regions, close friend and war zone colleague Sebastian Junger said.

"He worked in a world where people risked their lives and died regularly, so I don't even think it crossed his mind that he was brave," Junger, co-director with Hetherington on the Academy Award-nominated war documentary "Restrepo," told ABC News just hours after news of Hetherington's death emerged. "But he was an image maker and he was dedicated to that calling... It was just something he felt had to be done by somebody, and he knew he was good at it, he was really good at it."

Hetherington and Junger spent 15 months on and off in 2007 and 2008 with a U.S. Army unit in the most dangerous valley in Afghanistan, hoping to document daily, deadly life on the front lines. The images and stories they returned with earned several awards and the Academy Award nomination. But according to Junger, Hetherington was in it for the job.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/restrepo-partner-sebastian-junger-war-photographer-tim-hetherington/story?id=13423395
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 10:44 PM
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20. Tunisia reportedly closes border with Libya due to attacks by Gadaffi forces
Tunisia closed its borders with Libya today in the Nafusa Mountain region as Gadaffi forces have been firing rockets over it, and crossing over with troops. This has caused the flow of refugees fleeing Libya into Tunisia to stop.

According to sources in Libya, forces loyal to Col. Muammar Gadaffi crossed over the border last weekend to disrupt and arrest Libyan refugees. It is not known if there have been any injuries, or if Gadaffi forces succeeded in recapturing Libyan citizens.

Sources in Libya told an AHN reporter on Saturday that Gadaffi forces had crossed the border to arrest Libyan citizens, but it could not be confirmed until today. Over the weekend, the attacks was allegedly broadcasted over Tunisian TV, but a video-copy had not been produced.

In today's attack over the Tunisian border, Gadaffi forces is alleged to have fired into an open field, sources told AHN.

Read more: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90045713?Tunisia%20reportedly%20closes%20border%20with%20Libya%20due%20to%20attacks%20by%20Gadaffi%20forces#ixzz1K7rClirX

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:04 PM
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23. 2 Great photographers lost today in Libya – doing what they loved to do.
Today the lives of two friends and photojournalist colleagues, Chris Hondros and Tim Hetherington, were lost. Photographers Guy Martin and Michael Christopher Brown were injured as the 4 were covering the fighting in Misurita, Libya. It’s important to note that Chris and Tim were two of the best in the business – icons of our generation (my generation.) They were both incredibly accomplished and recognized journalists – their work received almost every honor and award that exists today for both stills and motion: from Pulitzer nominations, to World Press Awards, Picture of the Years Internationals, Robert Capa Gold Medal, Pew Felloships, Rory Peck Award, Alfred I. DuPont award and even an Academy Award nomination.

Many of us grew up hearing of Frank Capa and other famous war photographers. Many of us idolized them. The first time I had an AK-47 pointed at me, I immediately knew that I wasn’t cut out for the incredibly dangerous work msyelf. Therefore I’ve always admired those who go out every day to cover conflict across the world – their work is incredibly necessary. Without their photographs, far fewer of us would be aware of what goes on in war torn regions. Few if any would see the atrocities being committed.

A few weeks ago, Linsey Addario, Tyler Hicks (two close friends) and two other NYTimes colleagues disappeared for what seemed an eternity in Libya – but were eventually released. That was a hard enough period to deal with this year – it happened immediately after the Tsunamis hit Japan.

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/04/20/2-great-photographers-lost-today-in-libya-doing-what-they-loved-to-do/

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:15 PM
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24. K/R --
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:35 PM
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25. Recently uploaded pictures of Mo by dr_hamza
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:39 AM
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30. Intelligence experts see Gaddafi rebuilding power
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/uk-libya-gaddafi-idUKTRE73J4KN20110421">Intelligence experts see Gaddafi rebuilding power
(Reuters) - Muammar Gaddafi has consolidated his position in central and western Libya enough to maintain an indefinite standoff with rebels trying to end his four-decade rule, U.S. and European officials say.

"Gaddafi's people are feeling quite confident," said a European security official who closely follows Libyan events.

A "de facto partition for a long time to come" is the likely outcome, the official said, because of Gaddafi's improving position and the weakness of the ill-equipped and largely untrained opposition forces.

Growing pessimism about the rebels' ability to challenge Gaddafi's control of a large section of the country has fuelled calls for greater support of the opposition from the United States and its allies.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:44 AM
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31. 1000s Of Mountain Villagers Facing Starvation Due To Gaddafi's Forces Blocking Aid Medicine & Water
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 01:46 AM by Turborama
Posted in LBN but sinking fast and being ruthlessly unrec'd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4822114
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:49 AM
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32.  Peter Bergen reflects on the life of his friend Tim Hetherington (Video from AC360)
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:39 AM
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35. Chris Hondros in Libya: The last photographs
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:02 AM
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36. Remembering Tim Hetherington
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 03:02 AM by joshcryer
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/04/21/remembering-tim-hetherington">Remembering Tim Hetherington

We were at the eastern gate to the Libyan city of Ajdabiya 10 days ago trying to figure out which way the frontline was going when I first spotted Tim Hetherington out here.

He came bounding over, grinning broadly, cameras dripping from his neck. I teased him about his huge success with 'Restrepo', his gritty documentary about life embedded with a US unit in the Korengal Valley in Afghanistan.

"So what's fame and fortune like big man?"

His grin broadened even wider. "Well, clearly I've come direct from the red carpet!"
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:27 AM
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37. Misrata is the Gateway to a Free Libya
http://worldathon.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/189/">Misrata is the Gateway to a Free Libya
Misrata in many ways resembles Dresden after the allied bombing of World War II. Most of this once proud city is reduced to rubble,the victim of 42 days of round the clock shelling by Gaddafi’s troops. The opposition is outgunned,the Libyan army has tanks and much more heavy artillery than the rebels can muster. In many ways Misrata does indeed resemble the mediaval city described by Presidents Obama and Sarkozy and Prime Minister Cameron in their joint statement of a few days ago.

When the opposition finally breaks the siege there will be very little infrastructure left to improve, very few inhabitants left unscathed to rebuild the city. According to sources over 1000 inhabitants have been killed and many thousands injured. Once the hostilities stop it will take years to restore Misrata to its former greatness.

Despite all of this the Libyan people are rallying around the people of Misrata. In many respects Misrata has come to symbolize what the Libyan people have had to endure for these last months. Like Misrata, Libya will survive, gain its independence and thrive once again.

Despite Colonel Gaddafi‘s best he can’t hold off his countrymen who want to be free. Misrata is the Libyan rallying point for their struggle. Misrata will be the the jewel of a Free Libya.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:31 AM
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38. Libya rebels seize post at Tunisia border
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/libya-rebels-seize-post-at-tunisia-border-20110421-1dqia.html">Libya rebels seize post at Tunisia border
Libyan rebels on Thursday took control of the Wazin border post on the Tunisian frontier after overrunning Muammar Gaddafi's forces, a witness said.

After brief clashes at around 7.30am (1530 AEST), about 150 to 200 pro-Gaddafi soldiers fled into Tunisia, an AFP reporter witnessed, enabling rebels to seize the crossing.

Witnesses said several hundred cheered and flew the flag of the Libyan monarchy, now an emblem of the rebellion, as rebels fighters celebrated their strategic gain by firing into the air.


:)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:33 AM
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39. Clinton rules out US military advisers in Libya
http://www.dawn.com/2011/04/21/clinton-rules-out-us-military-advisers-in-libya.html">Clinton rules out US military advisers in Libya
WASHINGTON: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Wednesday that the United States would not be sending military advisers to aid Libya’s rebels despite decisions by France, Britain and Italy to do so.

“There is a desire to help them be more organized and we support that. We’re not participating in it, but we support it,” she said in a conversation moderated by Charlie Rose at the State Department and aired on PBS.

She responded “no” when asked if the United States would follow the lead of its European allies.

The White House had earlier said that US President Barack Obama backed the three countries’ decisions to dispatch advisers, saying it would help the opposition battling strongman Muammar Qadhafi’s forces.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:35 AM
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40. UN: Too Early To Seek Military Escorts For Libya Humanitarian Mission
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/MarketSensitiveNews.aspx?Id=1603035&SM=1">UN: Too Early To Seek Military Escorts For Libya Humanitarian Mission
The United Nations humanitarian chief Valerie Amos said Wednesday that aid supplies are presently reaching the rival sides involved in the ongoing fighting in Libya through civilian means, and stressed that military escorts for the humanitarian mission would be sought only if it becomes absolutely necessary.

"We are still able, utilizing civilian assets to evacuate people and to get aid in. It's difficult but we are able to do it, " Amos said while addressing a press conference held at the UN headquarters in New York late Wednesday.

Answering a question about the NATO and EU offer to provide military escorts to the UN humanitarian mission in Libya, Amos said "should we reach the point where the utilization of civilian assets becomes impossible because of the security situation, we, the UN, would call on them for support for military assets."

"But we are not at that point yet," Amos said, pointing out that UN's primary responsibility "is to ensure that our aid is offered on an impartial basis."


I didn't think this would happen (translation: we don't have the popular support to do this).
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:36 PM
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66. "aid supplies for the rival sides"
Did they just admit to aiding Gaddafi?
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:39 AM
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41. MSNBC: Chris Hondros Life Behind the Lens (Video)
Here's an MSNBC interview w/ killed photo-journalist Chris Hondros:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/19052606#19052606
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:55 AM
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42. Al Jazeera: about 100 Gaddafi forces have handed themselves over to Tunisian border guards
11:21 (UTC +2)
Al Jazeera‘s reporter in Tunisia says that about 100 Gaddafi forces have handed themselves over to Tunisian border guards after being chased by opposition fighters.


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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:58 AM
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43. Reuters: 13 Libyan officers and soldiers, including a general, have surrendered
12:22 (UTC +2) Reuters:

13 Libyan officers and soldiers, including a general, have turned themselves over to the Tunisian military at a border crossing after clashes with opposition fighters, according to Tunisia’s TAP news agency which cited a military source.


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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:00 AM
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44. AFP: 150-200 Gaddafi soldiers have fled into Tunisia
13:00 (UTC +2)

AFP reports that some 150-200 Gaddafi soldiers have abandoned their weapons and fled into Tunisia.


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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:05 AM
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45. Al Jazeera: Wazin Crossing in Rebel Hands
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 10:06 AM by al bupp
4:21pm (UTC +2):

Al Jazeera Arabic channel’s reporter from the Tunisian side has reported that the rebels’ flag is now raised on the Wazin crossing. Eye witnesses said that about 100 Gaddafi forces fighters, thought to have been guarding the crossing, have fled to Tunisian side after being attacked by the rebels.Rebels’ victory is a surprise because they had been heavily shelled by Gaddafi forces in the last few days. A Tunisian hospital near Wazin crossing is now treating people injured in Libya, including some Gaddafi troops.




Edited to add image.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:16 AM
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46. AJE: The deteriorating humanitarian crisis in Misurata (Video)
4:45pm (UTC +2)

Ahmad Hassan, a pro-democracy activist from Misurata, talks to Al Jazeera about the worsening humanitarian crisis there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-E4SfRrJjU&feature=player_embedded

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:21 AM
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47. Al Jazeera Blog: Libya Roundup
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 11:23 AM by al bupp
5:53pm (UTC +2)

Al Jazeera Arabic has reported that Libyan rebels said they have taken control of Wazin crossing on the border with Tunisia after fierce battles that forced a Libyan force 13 officers to Libya, including a general stationed there to flee and surrendered to the Tunisia army.

On the eastern Front, Al-Jazeera Arabic correspondent in Ajdabiya reported that the rebels are carrying out massive combing in the area between Ajdabiya and al-Arbaeen.

Gaddafi forces killed nine guards from al-Boster oil facility that pumps oil from the Sareer oil field to the port of Tobruk, Al Jazeera’s correspondent added.

On the other hand, two ships arrived to the city of Benghazi, coming from the city of Misurata.

One of the ships was carrying 1500 passengers, including 150 injured while the second was carrying 950 others. The step comes as part of cruises campaign sponsored by Qatar for the transfer of thousands of Arab nationals stranded in Libya and who wish to return to their country after the outbreak of war there.

The campaign also includes providing medical aid and food to the Libyan people and to send an air bridge to transport the injured.


From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-21-0

Edited to add link.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:37 PM
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48. Kick
And Rec.

Keep up the good work folks, and bumps for visibilities sake.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:46 PM
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49. Morocco: The solution in Libya can not be a military The 20/04/2011
The 20/04/2011
Fassi Fihri receives a delegation of the Libyan National Transition Council

Considered the Moroccan Foreign Minister Taieb Fassi Fihri Monday that the solution in Libya - can not be militarily - and that the Libyan people to choose the future he wants through diplomatic channels.

The news agency quoted a Moroccan Moroccan official as saying after a meeting with Imran Boukraa Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Libya in charge of the Arab issues - for Morocco, the solution can not be a military as necessarily have to be politically open to the future and gives to the Libyan people to decide by himself and in democratic future -.

He Fihri that - with Security Council resolutions 1970 and 1973 called for the immediate cease-fire of a credible, verifiable and guarantee effective protection of the civilian population - adding that those resolutions call also - a comprehensive political dialogue that responds to the aspirations of the Libyan people and their legitimate demands on the political level and socio - economic , also emphasize the importance of the human dimension and the need to provide necessary assistance to the civilian population, victims of armed violence -.

He also expressed Fassi also - concern government and people of Moroccan hard and difficult juncture for the Moroccan community residing in Libya, and asked to take appropriate action to ensure the security and protection of their rights -.

http://newsarabrevolution.blogspot.com/2011/04/morocco-solution-in-libya-can-not-be.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0yTtGZ9IAv4/Ta9H3tADHgI/AAAAAAAAAGs/hEdp5J-JNGY/s320/Fassi+Fihri+re%25C3%25A7oit+une+d%25C3%25A9l%25C3%25A9gation+libyenne+du+Conseil+National+de+Transition+.jpg

(Looks like a site for information on all revolutions in the Arab world - with translations using google)

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:49 PM
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50. Al Jazeera: Sue Turton talks about the latest in Benghazi (Video)
6:00pm (UTC +2) Al Jazeera's Sue Turton talks about the latest in Benghazi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNO5DCIgm98&feature=player_embedded
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:00 PM
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51. Reuters: Libyan authorities arming civilians
6:27pm (UTC +2)

Reuters news agency has reported that the Libyan authorities is arming civilians to confront any possible land attack by NATO forces, a government spokesman said on Thursday. ”Many cities have organised themselves into squads to fight any possible NATO invasion,” Mussa Ibrahim told reporters, saying the “whole population” was being given rifles and light weapons.

“If NATO comes to Misrata or any Libyan city we will unleash hell upon NATO. We will be a ball of fire ... We will make it 10 times as bad as Iraq.”


This could be interpreted as an act of some desperation.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 01:56 PM
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52. I do not believe that could be true.
Why would he give weapons to people who could turn on him?
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:11 PM
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54. I agree, it's probably a bluff
Something like Saddam's "Mother of All Battles" statement, but w/ the added benefit of making them appear weak.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:28 PM
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83. There were reports that he was actually taking them back when the weapons "started disappeaing."
:rofl:

Of course if you give weapons to civilians they'll sell them and claim they were stolen (or stockpile them for the future uprising and claim they were stolen).
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:09 PM
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53. Aljazeera: Ajdabiya photo
AFP news agency has this picture of a Libyan rebel at the western gate of the strategic town of Ajdabiya



From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-21-0">Aljazeera Libya Live Blog - April 21
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:11 PM
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55. Photojournalist Chris Hondros: At Work in Misurata, Libya
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 02:14 PM by tabatha
Getty Images Photographer Chris Hondros, 41, was mortally wounded Wednesday in Misurata, Libya, not long after filing intimate, striking images of the fighting between rebel and government forces. Tim Hetherington, the director and producer of the documentary "Restrepo," was killed in the same attack. While Hetherington's photos were not available to us, we honor both his and Hondros' intense commitment to creating inspiring, touching, storytelling images with this post. The images that follow were made by Hondros in Misurata, Libya, the last three days of his life. Hondros and Hetherington will be missed by colleagues and millions worldwide who have been impacted through simply seeing their work. -- Paula Nelson (39 photos total)

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/04/photojournalist_chris_hondros.html

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:36 PM
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56. Libyan rebels pay a heavy price for resisting Gaddafi in Misrata

Source: The Guardian





With 1000 dead and a further 3000 injured, the two-month-old war has taken its toll on the people of the city


Xan Rice in Misrata
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 21 April 2011 20.00 BST

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The war in Misrata is now two months old. The graveyards are filling up and the hospitals are overflowing. In their attempt to end the uprising, Gaddafi's forces have killed at least 1,000 people. Around 90% are civilians who have died because of indiscriminate shelling or shooting, doctors here say.


Fighting has been so heavy that parts of the city centre are now almost completely destroyed. Buildings, homes and mosques are pockmarked with bullet holes. Walls have been completely blown away, or are blackened by fire. Entire suburbs near the front lines are empty of families, who have crammed into other parts of the city, closer to the sea. Communications have been completely cut. Burnt-out cars and tanks litter the streets, alongside effigies of the dictator who has ruled Libya for 42 years.


The resistance from the rebels – from all the people in Misrata – seems remarkable given their limited armoury and experience. That they have managed to keep Gaddafi's forces to one side of the city seems a miracle, or at least a masterclass in guerrilla warfare. But this is a siege, and while the rebels can defend their lines, they do not have the means to fight their way out, or to send their families to safety. And despite significant losses, Gaddafi remains determined to fight his way in.


The cost is huge. Besides the dead, more than 3,000 people in this city have been injured since the conflict began. Many have been hit by shrapnel from indiscriminate shelling by Gaddafi's forces. Others have been picked off by snipers, including Mohamed Hassan, 10, who was hit in the head when he opened his front door last Saturday. He now lies in Misrata's hospital, screaming for his father and uncle or jabbering incomprehensibly. His mother, Zeinab, touches his forehead. Her tears have run dry. She tries to speak but then shakes her head and looks down.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/21/libyan-rebels-heavy-price-misrata








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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 02:55 PM
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57. CNN: Breaking News
President Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates says.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:01 PM
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58. First mission was slated for Thursday buit was scratched due to poor weather


Marine Gen. James Cartwright, speaking alongside Gates, said the first Predator mission was scheduled for Thursday but it was scratched due to poor weather. Cartwright said the Predators allow low-level precision attacks on Libyan government forces.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/04/21/2179233/obama-oks-use-of-armed-drone-aircraft.html







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:08 PM
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59. I believe it is because they can fly lower
and target tanks hiding under trees, etc.

I would also suspect the training for Libyans is to call in targets in urban areas that have no civilians around them.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:09 PM
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63. The real advantage is their ability to 'loiter' over the battlefield
They can stay in an area and spot tanks, rocket launchers, and other equipment when it's repositioned, so hidden assets are revealed for targeting.





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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:39 PM
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67. Drones scare the hell out of me
But if they will help the Libyans, then I'm okay with them.

In general though - the idea of unmanned remote-controlled death hovering over you in the air...brrrr.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:12 PM
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70. Would be nice if the very thought of them would
scare the Gaddafi forces out of the towns, without firing a shot.
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Cognitive_Resonance Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:42 PM
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74. Why haven't they been used already? Very effective for tracking movement of
troops/weaponry, and high-precision strikes on forces causing so much suffering in Misarata. Perhaps a high level re-prioritization vs. their use in other theaters? Better late than never.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:31 PM
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60. Gaddafi forces hit crude pumping station-oil officials
Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:33pm GMT

* Gaddafi forces attack rebel-controlled pumping station

* Witness reports 8 people killed in the attack

By Alexander Dziadosz

BENGHAZI, Libya, April 21 (Reuters) - Libyan leader Muammar
Gaddafi's forces have attacked a rebel-controlled oil pumping
station in eastern Libya, officials of an insurgent-run oil
company said on Thursday.

One official quoted a witness as saying that eight people
were killed in the attack on Wednesday, which could delay
efforts to restart production from the rebel-controlled Sarir
and Messla oil fields, suspended after an earlier raid two
weeks
ago.

Abdeljalil Mayouf, information manager at the Arabian Gulf
Oil Company (Agoco), whose oilfields the rebels control, said
Gaddafi's forces attacked the pumping station between the Sarir
oilfield and a port in Tobruk on the Mediterranean.

"In the middle (of the pipeline) there is a pumping
station, which was attacked," Mayouf told Reuters.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFN2128152420110421
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 03:41 PM
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61. WRAPUP 6-Troops pound Misrata, US condemns "vicious" action
Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:02pm GMT

* Battle rages in besieged Libyan town
* Clinton says Gaddafi may have used cluster bombs
* Ceasefire is U.N. priority, says Ban Ki-moon
* French to send military liaison team to rebels

(Adds quotes from Clinton, Ban, Libyan spokesman, more colour)

By Michael Georgy

MISRATA, Libya, April 21 (Reuters) - Libyan government troops pounded the besieged rebel-held city of Misrata on Thursday, undeterred by Western threats to step up military action against Muammar Gaddafi's forces.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said troops loyal to Gaddafi were carrying out "vicious attacks" on the city and might have used cluster bombs on civilians.

In Misrata. rebels and Gaddafi loyalists were fighting a ferocious battle, often at close quarters. Streets were barricaded with orange dump trucks, parts of cars and even bed frames and tree trunks.

Libya's third largest city, the only rebel stronghold in the west of the country, has been under siege by Gaddafi's forces for seven weeks. Hundreds of people have been killed.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73J23Z20110421?sp=true
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:00 PM
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62. Detained Reporter Clare Gillis Says She is Alive and Well
By Max Fisher
Apr 21 2011, 3:41 PM ET


Sixteen days after she was detained by the Libyan government, journalist Clare Morgana Gillis made her first direct contact with outsiders in two weeks today, telling her parents in a 15-minute phone call that she is in good health and being held in a women's civilian jail in Tripoli.

...


Gillis was detained April 5 while reporting on the situation in Libya for The Atlantic and USA Today. She was taken outside Brega, in eastern Libya, with two other journalists, American reporter James Foley of GlobalPost and Spanish photographer Manuel Bravo of European Pressphoto Agency. The three journalists had been moved to Surte and eventually to Tripoli, where they were kept in a coed military facility for approximately two weeks. Gillis told her parents that they communicated with each other by speaking through emptied-out electrical outlets.

...


Gillis said that Anton Lazarus Hammerl, a photographer with South African and Austrian citizenship, had not been with them when they were detained. Earlier reports had suggested that Hammerl, who went missing in eastern Libya on the same day, had been traveling with Gillis's group at the time. His location and status remain unknown.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/04/detained-reporter-clare-gillis-says-she-is-alive-and-well/237688/






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:28 PM
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64. UN chief appeals for end to Libya killing


Source: Al Jazeera





Ban Ki-moon's plea comes as concern mounts over crisis in Misurata and Obama approves use of armed Predator drones.


Last Modified: 21 Apr 2011 20:19


Casualties are on the rise as Libyan government forces and rebel fighters battle it out on the streets of besieged western city of Misurata, amid calls by the UN chief to "stop fighting".

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary-general, urged Libyan authorities on Thursday to "stop fighting and stop killing people" and said the world body's priority was to secure a ceasefire.

"At this time our priority is to bring about a verifiable and effective ceasefire, and then we can expand our humanitarian assistance, and we are going to engage in political dialogue," he said during an official visit to Moscow.

...

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/2011421184659441721.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 04:41 PM
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68. Frustration grows in Western capitals over Libyan stalemate

Source: Washington Post



By Edward Cody, Thursday, April 21, 11:00 AM


BRUSSELS — As the United States and its major allies were gearing up for a no-fly zone over Libya, a senior U.S. general was asked over a private dinner whether the strained American military was up for another Middle East conflict. We could easily impose a no-fly zone, he replied, according to one of his tablemates, but what would the objective be?


More than a month and hundreds of coalition airstrikes later, the answer has remained elusive, and the war goes on.


Under the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, which on March 17 authorized Western air operations over Libya, NATO aircraft are bombing to protect civilian lives. But according to increasingly explicit statements from European leaders, they are also deployed to help an armed rebellion defend its positions and pressure Moammar Gaddafi and his sons to give up power in Tripoli.


The equivocation, according to observers inside and outside the alliance, has fostered frustration in European capitals at what seems increasingly to be a stalemated ground war along the sandy expanses of Libya’s Mediterranean shore. Moreover, it has strained the cohesion of NATO’s 28 member countries, some of which insist on sticking strictly to the civilian protection mission while others say the only way to protect Libya’s population is to get rid of Gaddafi.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/frustration-grows-in-western-capitals-over-libyan-stalemate/2011/04/21/AFlAX6HE_story.html







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:01 PM
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69. CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM FRIDAY, APRIL 22
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, GMT +2 hours






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:26 PM
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71. CNN reports airstrikes heard in Tripoli in last few minutes nt




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:33 PM
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72. Libyan foreign minister's free elections promise is a sham




Abdul Ati al-Obeidi's claim that Gaddafi's regime is prepared to hold free elections within six months is just designed to buy time


Alaa al-Ameri
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 21 April 2011 12.48 BST

...


.... Then you'll know exactly how to receive the statement by Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, Gaddafi's foreign minister, that if the UN cancels the no-fly zone, and that if diplomatic and material support is withdrawn from the Libyan interim national council in Benghazi, Gaddafi and his hostage government will begin negotiations with the council that would lead to free elections within six months.

...


Gaddafi's spokesmen have repeatedly announced fake ceasefires to the international press assembled at the Rixos hotel in Tripoli while his forces bombard cities such as Misrata with artillery and rocket fire. This has become routine.


A glance at the regime's television broadcasts, aimed at the Libyan people, however, shows a completely different face. In these, the revolutionaries remain "dogs, traitors and terrorists" who have "sold their country" and will soon be crushed.


Obeidi's apparently conciliatory moves therefore represent nothing new at all. The twisted position of the Gaddafis, repeatedly delivered without a hint of irony from day one, has been that if Libyans stop resisting Gaddafi's claims to authority over them, they can have democracy, but if they continue to demand that Gaddafi steps down, they can have war and destruction.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/21/libyan-abdul-ati-al-obeidi-gaddafi






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 05:40 PM
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73. Kerry recalls photographer killed in Libya

Posted by Glen Johnson
April 21, 2011 02:39 PM


Those of us who covered the Kerry for President campaign in 2004 felt a special horror in yesterday's news about the two photographers who were killed in LibyaThe more widely known to the world, perhaps, was Tim Hetherington, who received an Academy Award nomination for "Restrepo," his documentary about a US platoon in an Afghanistan valley.

The more closely known to the campaign travelers, though, was Chris Hondros of Getty Images. He rode the Kerry plane often and brought his combat photography skills to the political arena.

Senator John Kerry just issued a statement in which the Massachusetts Democrat recounts many of Hondros's traits and campaign moments:



“The news that Chris Hondros was killed in Misurata is a gut punch to so many people, for so many reasons, both because he was so young, so talented, and perhaps most of all because he was so fearless. It is impossible to imagine him doing anything but the work he loved doing. The world is a more enlightened and more aware place today because Chris Hondros felt such a profound responsibility to brave war zones in order to share the truth in poignant images with the rest of the world.

“I got to know Chris on the campaign trail in 2003 and 2004, from our campaign announcement in Mt. Pleasant, S.C., through to the end. I last saw him at Ted Kennedy’s memorial service, outside in the cold rain that seemed appropriately to be falling that difficult day.

"On all those occasions, Chris Hondros seemed to be in perpetual motion, his camera in tow, always looking for a fresh angle or perspective to capture the day’s events. His energy was infectious and he knew no limits, once in our traveling herd very famously escaping the bubble and temporarily sending the advance staff into panic, appearing unexpectedly through an opening in the velvet curtain to photograph me in mid-speech, on live television.

"The Secret Service wasn’t thrilled, but you had to laugh at the way he broke the rules but won the shot of the day.

"In Madison, Wisc., he braved a cherry picker that took him hundreds of feet in the air to shoot the sea of people stretched out to the capitol dome as Bruce Springsteen and I campaigned together, but that same day we saw him slyly escape the buffer and climb the steps of a fraternity house to photograph the students holding a sign inviting Springsteen to come join them for a beer.

"Chris was funny, witty, and engaging, even mischievous, and he knew these college kids were as much or more a part of the story of democracy in America as even the most memorable political rally.

“On long flights across the country, I sometimes had the chance to escape the front cabin and join up with the photographers traveling with us. I think it was there I first saw some of Chris’s most important photos on his laptop, meticulously catalogued, spanning his war time coverage of poverty, humanity, and conflict everywhere from Kosovo and Iraq to Afghanistan.

"They were compelling beyond words.

"He had a special gift and amazing capacity not just to plunge into a war zone and document these scenes of suffering, but to come out and return home with his own humanity intact. Everything about him — his passion, his sense of purpose, and his spirit — gave meaning to the word `photojournalist.'”


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2011/04/kerry_recalls_p.html






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:07 PM
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76. Libyans show respect and solidarity for photographers Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros
Benghazi port tonight. Libyans show respect and solidarity for photographers Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros who died following an attack by Gaddafi troops in Misurata on Wednesday. Their bodies arrived in the port city en route home. (twitpic by @miguelmarquez)




11:51pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-21-0






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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:41 PM
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77. Grunt’s-Eye View of Afghanistan
Tim Hetherington and Sebastian Junger Reveal Real War in Restrepo

After living through real war, do you feel any of the psychological damage endured by soldiers?

Yea, I think so. War is traumatic. Although I don’t go through nearly as much as a soldier, it is a traumatic experience. In a lesser way, everybody goes through traumatic experiences — if you have a good friend who dies, or you have a messy divorce, or you’re in a car crash. These are all traumas that can unnerve you. It takes time to get over them. War is obviously more extreme, due to the graphic nature. That can do something to your head, and sure, it takes a toll.

But I have a good amount of experience doing it, and if it’s going to happen, you have ways of dealing with it. You work out ways to work through that process. When I first got out of Afghanistan, I got depressed. My anger levels were rising and falling irrationally. I was hyper-vigilant, looking around all the time for stuff. When you come home, that is strange.

I was talking with a World War II veteran after a screening recently, and he said, “When we came back from the war, it took us months to get home on the ships, and we were with people who we’d been through the experience with. That was useful.” I hadn’t thought of that. Today, soldiers coming home is like cold shock compounded with trauma.

http://www.independent.com/news/2011/apr/21/war-photojournalist-killed-libya/
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 06:52 PM
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78. Misratah: A city of tears



By Donatella Rovera, Amnesty International crisis researcher


...

In Misratah, many families are searching anxiously for their children and other relatives who have disappeared since they were seized and taken forcibly from their homes, in front of their families, by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces. One man told me that all seven of his sons and three of his nephews, one of whom is only 15 and another aged only 16, were taken from his home on 18 March when Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces took control of the Gheiran neighbourhood in which he lives.


At first, he said, the soldiers had also made him and his brother also get into their truck but they had then released them before driving off with the 10 members of their family who they have not seen or heard of since. These are 10 more who have disappeared.


One of the man’s neighbours told me that his five sons too, including two who were married with young children, were taken by soldiers from their home by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces in front of the rest of the family on 16 March. They too are disappeared.


And so it goes on. Similar cases are being reported from other of Misratah’s neighbourhoods that are controlled by the Libyan leader’s forces. Several women from one of these neighbourhoods, Tammina, who are now sheltering with their families in other parts of Misratah, told me that their husbands, sons and brothers were taken from their homes by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s soldiers and have since then disappeared.


Amid the continuing carnage and suffering, most of the people that I have spoken to in Misratah in the past week have asked one persistent question – why is the international community not living up to its promise to give them protection, protection that they and their families so desperately need?


http://livewire.amnesty.org/2011/04/21/misratah-a-city-of-tears/








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:30 PM
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79. Explosions, planes heard in Tripoli; rebels seize border crossing
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

•NEW: Sound of jets, explosions heard in Tripoli

•U.S. Predator drones take flight in Libya

•Thousands have fled fighting in western Libya through the border crossing in Wazen

•A third chartered ship arrived in Benghazi, carrying bodies of two photojournalists killed in Misrata



By the CNN Wire Staff
April 22, 2011 -- Updated 0006 GMT (0806 HKT)

Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Large explosions and the sound of jets over Tripoli Thursday night indicated NATO has likely increased the intensity of its air strikes on Moammar Gadhafi's key command and control military sites.

CNN's Fred Pleitgen, reporting from Libya, heard at least three major explosions.

The alliance has issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas, foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, a NATO military official said Thursday.

The next phase will largely involve increased air strikes on key Gadhafi command, control and communications sites in and around Tripoli, although targets in other areas could be hit as well, said the official, who declined to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter.

...


http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/21/libya.fighting/







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:32 PM
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80. Libya, the prison
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:25 PM
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81. Day 64 here:
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:26 PM
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82. Misurata Map
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:01 PM
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84. Good map, thanks.
I'm following them now.
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