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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:30 PM
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WI Elections - Paper ballots & chain of custody - Kevin Kennedy
Just as our "Recount Rally" outside the Government Accountability Board offices was wrapping up, my friend ran to get the car while I finished yacking with a few people. My friend called a minute later, and said, "Kevin Kennedy (Director of the GAB) is about a block to your west, walking toward the GAB office." I ran up the block, and waited while Kevin and another man crossed the street. I introduced myself and walked down the block with them, starting to ask some questions. Jeremy Ryan www.defendingwisconsin.org zipped up the street with his video camera, so he could video and participate in the conversation.

Most of my questions to Kevin were focused around the actual paper ballots, the process for ordering and the chain of custody. While I worked for the Town of Middleton, I was the Chief Elections Inspector, but since we received ballots and the machine prom packs from the County, I had questions about that part of the election process.

Here's Jeremy's video that has the tail end of the rally, and then most of the discussion with Kevin Kennedy. I truly appreciate the fact that Kevin willingly stopped to answer questions from a citizen he just happened to encounter on the street.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qzLI7FtNk

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:48 PM
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1. K&R. Good job, Lefta Dissenter!
:thumbsup:
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think Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:53 PM
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2. Very informative interview TY
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-11 11:56 PM
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3. That was great, very interesting ,and impressive!
Edited on Wed Apr-20-11 11:59 PM by senseandsensibility
Happy to kick and rec this. I hope more DUers take time to watch at the link. I was impressed with your questions and the fact that this official answered them so completely. The whole thing was inspiring, and I now have more hope for the situation in WI. Thanks for posting!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 07:35 AM
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4. K&R Here's Jeremy at the "Recount Rally". He's an asset! ...
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:12 AM
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5. I first met Jeremy early on
during the Capitol Occupation. He was zipping around on his Segway (his mobility device) interviewing people and streaming directly online from his phone. At times that was basically the only news that was getting out, since the wireless had been disabled.

Anyway, Jeremy is a bright 22-year-old, whose life has truly been focused on the state issues since day one. He received four of the 17 citations that were issued for "holding signs on the wrong floor of the Capitol." Those citations go in front of the DA next week.

Check out his website www.defendingwisconsin.org and watch more of his videos.

Jeremy and I have gotten to be good friends through this time, and I step up as his mom, when I feel that he needs one on the premises. HA, I've reminded him that it DOES take a village to raise a child, even if that child is in his twenties! :D
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:15 AM
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6. Thanks for amplifying!!! n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:21 AM
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7. Thanks, Lefta. Shared with my election integrity friends! rec'd
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:29 AM
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8. I have great hope and faith in the people of Wisconsin
that the truth will be vigorously pursued.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:52 AM
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9. I just finished watching this before seeing your post - great job- wow
I wish I would have been able to stay on, as I have a few questions for him myself. You asked him about the chain of custody and the sealed ballots. It is extremely troubling that Kathy Nickolaus has had all Waukesha ballots in her own office since this election debacle. I didn't realize you had worked as an elections inspector!! Can you tell me what kind of container and seal are the used ballots placed in after the election? (sorry if this was covered -i just recall the discussion of the ballot bundles prior to use). Might these ballots be accessed despite the seal? What are the mechanisms used to keep them from being tampered with? THANK YOU!

On Monsieur Kennedy-- I attended a large protest at the end of 2004 against Kennedy and his Accenture deal. (I can get you more info on that if you are interested - have been posting it here on DU, without it attracting much interest).

Methinks he is a

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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 12:37 PM
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10. Hi eo! :)
The ballots are sealed in plastic bags similar to what is used for shipping. Then a seal is placed across the flap of the bag, and the election officials sign the seal. It would be very difficult (if not impossible) to get into the bags without it being obvious, and that's why I asked about the seals. We had all of the poll workers present sign the seal, in addition to the Clerk, et al. On the day after the election, we'd take the machine tapes (also signed by all pollworkers and officials at beginning and end of the day) and all reports and the prom pack to the County Clerk.

In our situation, our Clerk and I were obsessed with election integrity, so when we had the pollworkers sign anything, we'd explain what we were asking them to sign. We also had those old pollworkers who had been doing it for decades, and they knew every step of the process as much as we did. I can see, though, that if one had ill intent, one could have a few extra envelope seals on hand at the end of the day, and with less experienced pollworkers, someone could ask the pollworkers to sign those extra seals unattached to any envelope. People are tired at the end of election day, and they might not be carefully scrutinizing each document that they're asked to sign. "Sign here, sign here, sign here..."

I would like to see ALL of the election supplies provided through a State agency in order to provide another layer of accountability. Ballots, envelopes, seals, etc. with no products available from the frickin' SUPPLIER!!!!!

The laws are written with the presumption that the Clerk, particularly a County Clerk, is honest. I don't think we can make any assumptions these days, though here in Dane County, I have always felt that the Clerk has been determined to ensure we have fair elections.

I was working for the Town just at the time of the Accenture deal. That gave me the opportunity to be involved in the testing of some of the machines that were to be selected for the HAVA compliance, and with the data conversion to the SVRS. What a frickin' mess that was!!! In our initial conversion, we lost about 25% of our voters off the rolls (we had roughly 4000 registered voters at the time). The County said that that was actually a lot better than many municipalities had encountered. I met a Clerk from a municipality up north who had lost something like 90% of her registered voters in the first go-round. We managed to re-work our voter rolls again and again, until we had all registrations in compliance, with virtually no complaints from voters by the time the next election rolled around.

Just as an example of why someone might have been knocked off the rolls in the initial conversion, if a clerk, in entering a name in the original rolls, had hit the space bar after the name, or entered a comma instead of a period in an address, the name would be knocked off the rolls. Sometimes I couldn't tell WHAT was entered, so I'd copy into a document using different fonts or even a different color of font, and that sometimes helped me to figure out what was mis-entered. It was an agonizing process that cost the State HOW many millions of dollars?????? This was my day. Data entry. Upload document to SVRS website. Receive error report. "$^&*(%#$^^!":argh: More data entry, Upload document to SVRS website. Receive error report. "$^&*(%#$^^!":argh: More data entry, Upload document to SVRS website. Receive error report. "$^&*(%#$^^!":argh: Lather, rinse, repeat.

Regarding Kevin Kennedy, I appreciated the fact that he took the time to answer my questions about the process. That is as far as I am willing to go with that statement.

I can't tell you how glad I am that JoAnne Kloppenburg is a fighter, and that she has retained good, experienced attorneys to deal with this recount. After all, this election is not about her, it is about the people of the State of Wisconsin. We want to know that our votes were counted fairly. That's all.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:22 PM
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11. Thank you much for your interesting account of your experiences
Wow - hair raising back then, and I don't envy you, but am GRATEFUL to you for what you did! I want to write more, but must go to bed. Sleep deprivation is getting to me... :crazy:
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