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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:24 PM
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Libyan Revolution Day 64
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-22">AJE Live Blog April 22 (today) http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x932019">Day 63 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Rebel fighters launch rockets against forces loyal to Gaddafi at Ajdabiya

Photograph: Amr Abdallah / Reuters



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_libya">Libyan rebels report gains in Misrata fighting
TRIPOLI, Libya – Rebels battled Moammar Gadhafi's troops Thursday for control of central Misrata, driving dozens of snipers from tall buildings in hours of urban warfare and gaining a tactical advantage in the only major city held by the opposition in western Libya, witnesses said.

The Libyan government, meanwhile, ramped up its rhetoric against NATO, warning that "it will be hell" for the alliance if it sends in ground troops, even though Britain's prime minister said the Western nations were not moving toward such a deployment.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said President Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya. The drones allow for low-level precision attacks and are uniquely suited for urban areas such as Misrata, where NATO airpower has been unable to protect civilians when Gadhafi's forces are operating inside the city.

Also Thursday, rebels captured a Libyan border crossing into Tunisia, forcing government soldiers to flee over the frontier and possibly opening a new channel for opposition forces in Gadhafi's bastion in western part of the country.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/21/libyan-abdul-ati-al-obeidi-gaddafi">Libyan foreign minister's free elections promise is a sham
Obeidi has declared that discussions would include the issue of "whether the Leader should stay and in what role, and whether he should retire". This must have come as a shock to Gaddafi himself, who maintains that he has no position of authority from which to step down.

These false promises are purely for foreign consumption and cannot be given any credence. They are intended to buy time and place domestic political pressure on the Americans, British, French, Italians and other governments to soften their stance on the Gaddafi family
, who they've all said must leave power in accordance with the demands of the Libyan people.

...


Gaddafi's spokesmen have repeatedly announced fake ceasefires to the international press assembled at the Rixos hotel in Tripoli while his forces bombard cities such as Misrata with artillery and rocket fire. This has become routine.

A glance at the regime's television broadcasts, aimed at the Libyan people, however, shows a completely different face. In these, the revolutionaries remain "dogs, traitors and terrorists" who have "sold their country" and will soon be crushed.


Must read article about Gaddafi's "offer" to set up elections. Why would he give elections to "rats and terrorists"?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/21/libyan-rebels-heavy-price-misrata">Libyan rebels pay a heavy price for resisting Gaddafi in Misrata
The war in Misrata is now two months old. The graveyards are filling up and the hospitals are overflowing. In their attempt to end the uprising, Gaddafi's forces have killed at least 1,000 people. Around 90% are civilians who have died because of indiscriminate shelling or shooting, doctors here say.

Fighting has been so heavy that parts of the city centre are now almost completely destroyed. Buildings, homes and mosques are pockmarked with bullet holes. Walls have been completely blown away, or are blackened by fire. Entire suburbs near the front lines are empty of families, who have crammed into other parts of the city, closer to the sea. Communications have been completely cut. Burnt-out cars and tanks litter the streets, alongside effigies of the dictator who has ruled Libya for 42 years.

The resistance from the rebels – from all the people in Misrata – seems remarkable given their limited armoury and experience. That they have managed to keep Gaddafi's forces to one side of the city seems a miracle, or at least a masterclass in guerrilla warfare. But this is a siege, and while the rebels can defend their lines, they do not have the means to fight their way out, or to send their families to safety. And despite significant losses, Gaddafi remains determined to fight his way in.

The cost is huge. Besides the dead, more than 3,000 people in this city have been injured since the conflict began. Many have been hit by shrapnel from indiscriminate shelling by Gaddafi's forces. Others have been picked off by snipers, including Mohamed Hassan, 10, who was hit in the head when he opened his front door last Saturday. He now lies in Misrata's hospital, screaming for his father and uncle or jabbering incomprehensibly. His mother, Zeinab, touches his forehead. Her tears have run dry. She tries to speak but then shakes her head and looks down.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/21/libya-rebels-tunisia-border-west">Libya rebels seize Tunisia border post in far west
Rebel forces fighting government troops in the far west of Libya have seized control of the border crossing with Tunisia in an insurgency that has been largely overshadowed by the siege of Misrata and battles in the east.

At least 13 Libyan army officers, including two commanders, fled across the border into Tunisia, according to the country's official news agency, TAP.

"Rebels are now manning Dehiba crossing," rebel commander Shaban Abu Sitta told the Associated Press. He claimed his fighters had destroyed 30 army pickup trucks.

...

"We fled because we cannot face heavy weapons. They have arrested a lot of people. The situation is very bad. There are tanks inside Yifran. They are killing everywhere."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/apr/21/journalists-misrata-tim-hetherington">Journalists to remain in Misrata despite Tim Hetherington's death
Journalists from the BBC, Channel 4 News and other news organisations are to remain in Libya's rebel-held city of Misrata, despite an assault by pro-Gaddafi forces that led to deaths of photojournalists Tim Hetherington and Chris Hondros on Wednesday.


The Mediterranean port city has seen some of the fiercest fighting since the Arab spring uprising began in December, with rebel fighters holding out against troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi for seven weeks.


Hetherington and Hondros died and two other photographers were wounded when they came under fire while covering the fighting on Wednesday, among at least 15 civilians killed and more than 100 injured in Misrata in the last 24 hours.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/21/us-obama-predator-drones-libya">Libya: Obama sanctions use of US Predator drones
Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, says Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drone aircraft in Libya.

Gates told a Pentagon news conference that the Predator is an example of US military capabilities that the president was willing to contribute to the military campaign in Libya, while other countries enforce a no-fly zone.


I hate these fucking things. Making war a video game = no responsiblity to protect. I hope the drones have a supremely high RoE, even higher than the RoE NATO has created for jets.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html">Click here for updated map


Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M

Sky News went with Gaddafi minders to find a "civilian town bombed" only they were never shown any such thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O5KJavfiQo

TNC presser talking about various details of the revolution (thanks to Waiting for Everyone): http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=730234&mesg_id=731532

Topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths that they are treated poorly: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context:

The Battle of Benghazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA

BBC Panorama on Libya Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s

Tea of Freedom Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc

Latest indiscriminate shelling in Misurata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wop3C4zrPXI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of the resolution.

How will a no fly zone work? AJE reports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k

Canada: http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110317/cf-libya-canada/20110317/?hub=WinnipegHome">Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission Norway: http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFOSN00509220110318">Norway to join military intervention in Libya Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-18/la-belgique-prete-a-une-operation-militaire-en-libye-828970.php">Belgium ready for a military operation in Libya Qatar and the UAE: http://www.defpro.com/daily/details/776/?SID=e80884adc09a37d26904578a9b5978cb">Run-up for Western world’s next military commitment ... with unusual support Denmark: http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/51229-denmark-ready-for-action-against-gaddafi.html">Denmark ready for action against Gaddafi France: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/world/africa/19libya.html?src=twrhp">Following U.N. Vote, France Vows Libya Action ‘Soon’ Italy: http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72G2HE20110317">Italy to make bases available for Libya no-fly zone-source United Kingdom: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12770467">Libya: UK forces prepare after UN no-fly zone vote United States: http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nations-draw-up-plans-for-no-fly-zone-over-libya-1.2765122">Nations draw up plans for no-fly zone over Libya Jordan: http://www.smh.com.au/world/military-strikes-on-libya-within-hours-20110318-1bzii.html?from=smh_sb">Military strikes on Libya 'within hours' Spain: http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/03/19/2801s627320.htm">Spain Expected to Join NATO No-fly Zone Enforcement over Libya

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/2011/03/2011328194855872276.html">Libyan Karzai? Chalabi? Forget it
Fortunately, the Council wasn't made-in-the-USA or manufactured by another foreign power. Rather it came into existence, a month ago, at Libyans' own initiative, soon after the winds of revolutionary change blew Libya's way, and after its people rose to the occasion with pride and courage.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/31/getting_libyas_rebels_wrong">Getting Libya's Rebels Wrong
Don't buy Qaddafi's line: The rebels aren't al Qaeda.


http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2011/04/04/110404taco_talk_anderson#ixzz1HvS7iW22">Who Are the Rebels?
During weeks of reporting in Benghazi and along the chaotic, shifting front line, I’ve spent a great deal of time with these volunteers. The hard core of the fighters has been the shabab—the young people whose protests in mid-February sparked the uprising. They range from street toughs to university students (many in computer science, engineering, or medicine), and have been joined by unemployed hipsters and middle-aged mechanics, merchants, and storekeepers. There is a contingent of workers for foreign companies: oil and maritime engineers, construction supervisors, translators. There are former soldiers, their gunstocks painted red, green, and black—the suddenly ubiquitous colors of the pre-Qaddafi Libyan flag.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/29/vision-democratic-libya-interim-national-council">A vision of a democratic Libya
The interim national council, formed by opposition groups in Libya, has said it will hold free and fair elections and draft a national constitution. Here is its eight-point plan in full.



Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg

Mo's last report, a fallen hero trying to spread the word to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecu_iWLn-rg

Mo leaves behind a wife who is with child, she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:25 PM
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1. Current time in Libya, 3:25am Friday, April 22
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:30 PM
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2. A detailed map of the Misrata conflict
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:31 PM
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3. Sue Turton on the latest in Benghazi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNO5DCIgm98

This is slightly dated but it shows the revolutionary spirit in Benghazi.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:35 PM
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4. Misratah: A city of tears
http://livewire.amnesty.org/2011/04/21/misratah-a-city-of-tears/">Misratah: A city of tears
...

There was clear evidence that the house had been used as a base by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces. On the roof terrace, holes had been created in the surrounding wall, apparently to provide loopholes for sniper fire, and the floor was littered with spent bullet cartridges. The retreating forces had also left military boots and bits of uniforms scattered about but they had totally ransacked the house.

In every room, the contents had been thrown onto the floor and virtually every breakable item had been smashed. The aim clearly had been to destroy as much as possible of what the family who lived there owned. Worse still, the owner of the house, a father of eight children, had been seized and taken from his home by Colonel al-Gaddafi’s forces on 20 March, his distraught wife told me, and since then she has had no word of him.

He, like so many others, has disappeared.

One of the couple’s sons, a final year medical student pointed to the books and papers scattered among the debris in his room and on the staircase and said to me despairingly: “These are my books, my work of the past six years. What can I do now?”.

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Gaddafi = war crimes.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:41 PM
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5. The character of the fight in Libya
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/americas/2011/04/21/character-fight-libya">The character of the fight in Libya
The US began deploying two Predator attack drones over the skies in Libya on Thursday.

Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General James Cartwright told reporters, "The character of the fight has changed" because of NATO's efforts.

He said Muammar Gaddafi's troops have dug in and the drones are needed to operate in urban areas and minimise collateral damage. But the rollout was dampened by bad weather. They had to be recalled for the day.

Secretary of Defence Robert Gates refused any notion of mission creep in Libya, saying, "The president has said that where we have some unique capabilities, he is willing to use those." Gates went on to repeat what his boss, President Barack Obama, has said, that regime change comes best from within.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:42 PM
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6. K&R for visibility
:hi:






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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 08:51 PM
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7. Doctor: Two Western photographers recovering in Misrata



By Miranda Leitsinger, Senior Writer and Editor, msnbc.com

Surgeon Ahmed Radwan was finishing an operation in a Libyan city under siege by Gadhafi forces on Wednesday when he got the call: A man with massive bleeding needed his help.

The patient was Guy Martin, a British photographer affiliated with the Panos photo agency. He had been hit by shrapnel and had two main injuries: one to his bowel and major trauma to the arteries and veins in his pelvis. The surgery at the private hospital lasted six hours, said Radwan, a 35-year-old vascular surgeon from Cairo who is volunteering with the Arab Medical Union.

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Martin was with British-born Tim Hetherington, the Oscar-nominated co-director of the documentary "Restrepo" about U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan; Chris Hondros, a New York-based photographer for Getty Images; and photographer Michael Christopher Brown on Wednesday when they were caught in an explosion. Hetherington and Hondros died from their injuries.

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Radwan said he also saw – but did not treat – Brown.

"His function is good. ... I saw him visiting Guy. He was talking to him, checking on him to see that he was OK," Radwan said. "I didn't get a chance to talk to him a lot. ... He was not feeling good because of (what happened to) his friends."


http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/04/21/6509784-doctor-two-western-photographers-recovering-in-misrata








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:16 PM
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8. Libya in Nato ground troops warning



(UKPA) – 18 minutes ago

Rebels have been battling Muammar Gaddafi's troops for control of central Misrata, driving dozens of snipers from tall buildings in hours of urban warfare and gaining a tactical advantage in the only major city held by the opposition in western Libya, witnesses said.

The Libyan government, meanwhile, ramped up its rhetoric against Nato, warning that "it will be hell" for the alliance if it sends in ground troops, even though Prime Minister David Cameron said the Western nations were not moving toward such a deployment.

US defence secretary Robert Gates said president Barack Obama has approved the use of armed Predator drones in Libya. The drones allow for low-level precision attacks and are uniquely suited for urban areas such as Misrata, where Nato airpower has been unable to protect civilians when Gaddafi's forces are operating inside the city.

At least seven people were killed in Thursday's fighting for the main Misrata thoroughfare of Tripoli Street, bringing to 20 the number killed in three days. Misrata has been besieged by government forces for nearly two months, with human rights groups estimating hundreds of people killed.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hRqT1mpdGoVhFT6Q6Gf8ex1mgbNA?docId=N0068161303435614843A








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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:21 PM
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9. More sellers than buyers in Benghazi gold bazaar
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/21/uk-libya-gold-idUKTRE73K8GL20110421">More sellers than buyers in Benghazi gold bazaar
(Reuters) - Crowds used to cram into Benghazi's downtown gold market to browse the glittering wares. Two months into Libya's revolt, the covered souk is almost empty, and the few customers that turn up are mostly there to sell, not to buy.

Some adventurous shopkeepers have started to reopen stalls, but many others are keeping theirs shuttered. The few customers are greeted by a mournful collection of bare mannequins and empty glass display cases.

"More people are selling gold than buying it right now," said Faraj el-Matuny, 23, sitting in his family jewellery shop. "People are short on money."

Abdelqader el-Sherif, a 43-year-old oil company worker, said he came to sell his mother's bracelets to help provide for his large family.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 09:32 PM
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10. Revolutionary tank
Edited on Thu Apr-21-11 09:35 PM by tabatha
This is one of the "tanks" that revolutionaries in Misrata use to get closer to Gaddafi's forces.




http://twitpic.com/4nt5j2


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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:32 PM
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11. K&R - and thanks again, you guys! By the way,
what do you think of the drones we're sending?

I'm glad we're doing more and Obama is keeping his vow of no "boots on the ground". I AM concerned because of the reports we've heard from Pakistan of the drones killing innocents -- I hope we've gotten better at 'droning'.


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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:08 AM
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14. They scare me to death
I hope I never see one in the sky above me.

But I am hopeful that they'll help - they can be useful for more direct targeting and for getting around Gaddafi's habit of parking tanks under trees and other strategies to avoid airstrikes. The Libyans on Twitter are in favor of them - I already saw a poem about how a drone was coming for Gaddafi linked.

I hope to everything that is good in the universe that they only hit Gaddafi targets. I did see NATO trying to get the message out, for people to stay away from military targets.

So, like with so many things about Libya, my emotions and reactions are mixed. Hopeful that the drones will help, and scared to death of them and of the possibility of civilian or freedom fighter deaths.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:13 PM
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86. Check out On The Road's response to my question below - that, and your pointing
out the tanks under the trees types of scenarios, ease my mind.

The whole thing is cause for mixed emotions - I'm happy to hear that the Libyans are in favor. I'm glad we can help.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:24 AM
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28. I Share Your General Attitude
and your concerns about the drones. However, they are being used against different targets in a fundamentally different way in Libya. It is much easier to correctly target artillery and armored vehicles than find insurgents trying to blend in with civilians.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:10 PM
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85. Reassuring -- and makes sense. Thanks for the sanity! nt
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 10:51 PM
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12. 2 brothers' lives upended in Libyan fight




April 21, 2011

ABOARD THE IONIAN SPIRIT (AP) — The scene was testimony to the wrenching changes war brings. It turned Dr. Ali Salhi, a Libyan dentist, into a battlefield medic. In a ship's corridor transformed into an intensive care unit, the patient he hovered over was his little brother, a lawyer who became a fighter to defend their home city Misrata from Moammar Gadhafi's forces.


Near a stack of life vests, Khaled Salhi lay unconscious on a mattress, a hunk of shrapnel lodged in his brain. Ali silently watched the tubes running into his brother's mouth and nose and listened to the beep of the heart monitor. Khaled hasn't woken up since he was hit.


But the 33-year-old Ali doesn't regret that his brother, six years younger than him, fought.


"If we all prevented our brothers from fighting, there would be no resistance to Gadhafi," he said Thursday. "My brother might die and others as well, but we have to defend our city."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/04/21/ap/world/main20056314.shtml








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-11 11:50 PM
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13. NatGeo to re-air ‘Restrepo’ after filmmaker’s death in Libya




By Lisa de Moraes, Thursday, April 21, 7:29 PM


The National Geographic Channel announced Thursday that it will re-telecast the documentary “Restrepo” at 9 p.m. Monday, after news that Tim Hetherington — one of two men who made the film — was killed Wednesday while covering the combat in Libya.

...


NatGeo ran the Academy Award-nominated film in November. The replay will include a tribute to Hetherington, NatGeo said.

...


On Aug. 7, Hetherington and Junger went to the Summer TV Press Tour to talk about “Restrepo.” Hetherington was asked what makes him “need to go and do all this difficult work?” and whether there was “any adrenaline or any sort of thing like that that’s also something that you seek out.”

It’s important to cover stories that gave meaning to me,” Hetherington answered.

You know, adrenaline is a small part of that, but it’s not really the reason why I go back,” he said. “The same for the soldiers when they fight. Soldiers fight in war for, ultimately, brotherhood. The adrenaline is a part of it but not the driving factor.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/natgeo_to_re_air_restrepo_after_filmmakers_death_in_libya/2011/04/21/AFBu0ALE_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:44 AM
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15. Libya rebels seize Tunisia border post in far west

Source: The Guardian





Rebels take control of Dehiba border crossing – 13 Libyan army officers including two commanders flee across border to Tunisia


HARRIET SHERWOOD in Tripoli
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 21 April 2011 19.51 BST


REBEL FORCES fighting government troops in the far west of Libya seized control of the border crossing with Tunisia yesterday in an insurgency that has been largely dominated by the siege of Misurata and battles in the east.

At least 13 Libyan army officers, including two commanders, fled across the border into Tunisia, according to the official Tunisian news agency, TAP. “Rebels are now manning Dehiba crossing,” rebel commander Shaban Abu Sitta told the Associated Press. He claimed his fighters had destroyed 30 army pick-up trucks.

The Tunisian defence ministry said four rockets had hit territory a few hundred metres on its side of the border earlier this week. No one was injured.

The Dehiba border crossing is close to the mountainous western area of Libya, where there has been sustained fighting for the past two months centred on the city of Nalut. “The whole region has been under siege for two months now,” Firas Kayal of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees agency told the Guardian.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/21/libya-rebels-tunisia-border-west








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:07 AM
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16. In Makeshift Clinic, War Scars Run Deep

Source: The Wall Street Journal




APRIL 22, 2011

By CHARLES LEVINSON


MISRATA, Libya—Vascular surgeon Ahmed Radwan stepped out of the operating room at 3 a.m. on Thursday morning after 24 hours of successive surgeries, including an eight-hour stretch tending to a British photographer hit by a mortar blast.

...


The emergency room is a white tent in the parking lot at Al Hikma Hospital. It has become the epicenter of the carnage that is being unleashed on this city of 500,000 by Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's artillery and rocket storms. Before the uprising began on Feb. 17, the hospital was a small private clinic with just 45 beds. But after the city's primary hospital was shelled in March, doctors relocated there.

One of the team's anesthesiologists, Dr. Ali Abu Farnaz, lost his four children in a recent rocket strike. He has kept slogging through cases without missing a beat, his colleagues note. Doctors sleep in the hospital's hallways, or in a tent in the parking lot on thin bedrolls.

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On Wednesday, more than 130 patients suffering bullet and shrapnel wounds came through the emergency room, including four Western photographers, two of whom died.

The constant flow of trauma patients has upended lives. An oncologist has found himself spearheading trauma surgeries. A Filipino english teacher has become an intensive-care unit nurse. And a young U.S.-born orthopedist studying for his medical license in Philadelphia has become a rebel combat medic.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704889404576277333279634182.html








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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:40 AM
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17. Sen. John McCain has arrived in Benghazi
Al Jazeera's Sue Turton reporting from Benghazi said McCain told reporters as he was walking out of a local hotel that he was there to meet members of the National Transitional Council and members of the rebel army to assess the situation on the ground.
She said McCain also denied concerns about the possibility of extremist or al-Qaeda elements fighting alongside the rebel forces, reacting: "Why would I have concerns ... they are my heroes".

9:20am:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-22






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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:19 AM
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18. No safe haven for reporters in Libya
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 05:22 AM by Iterate
As civilians fire rockets and government troops shell civilian positions, there is almost no safe place for journalists.
Evan Hill in Benghazi Last Modified: 22 Apr 2011 05:56

In Libya, you think about the difference between sand and pavement in a mortal way.

Sand will accept a bomb into its soft embrace, deaden its impact, and save your life. Harsh pavement will throw up a hail of deadly shrapnel, obliterating everything in the vicinity of the blast. When shells start falling, you move into the sand.

On the outskirts of Brega in March, a government jet swooped low over our position and dropped a bomb into the desert nearby. Our team had the good fortune to be watching around 70 metres from the explosion. Pro-democracy forces massed on the road emerged unscathed.

Other reporters have gotten even luckier. Mortars have landed in the sand far closer than 70 metres. A driver for the BBC caught a bullet in the back of his body armour during a drive through Ajdabiya when the town was contested by both loyalist and pro-democracy troops. Artillery rounds have skipped across the road without exploding just meters in front of television crews. Ex-military security advisers who have fought in Afghanistan described that moment as the closest they felt they had come to death.

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http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/spotlight/libya/2011/04/20114225920217386.html


ETA: Perhaps not the best selection to quote. It's worth reading to the end.
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:48 AM
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21. "As civilians fire rockets and government troops shell civilian positions"?
That's pretty much have one's cake and eat it too journalism, at least be honest enough to label those firing rockets as rebel combatants.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:35 AM
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19. Guys, THEY DON'T WANT ELECTIONS! This is POWER GRAB by a few at a huge bloody cost for the majority

The "Arab Spring" has been used an perverted to achieve the agendas of outside powers that are
callously using and sacrificing Libyans on all sides.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:34 AM
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22. Hey you nailed it, Gaddafi certainly doesn't want real elections.
Otherwise he'd have held one last year, or the year before that, or the year before that...but let's let bygones be bygones, shall we? You and I could help with a pro-democracy campaign rally, in Tripoli. Just let me know when you get there. I've got your back.

I'm impressed you detected the power grab too. It's almost like a coup, but that term is oh so 1960's, so let's just say "clampdown". That fits. Gaddafi is having a power grab clampdown on the majority.

It's the last bit that just blows me away though. Just last week there were two videos, one with a generic Arab guy saying "We were going to have an Arab Spring, but decided not to because we heard powerful interests are against it, or in favor of it. We're not sure." And another, a generic Arab guy with a rifle saying "I was going to shoot back at the sniper in my neighborhood, but then I decide not to because I don't know where this AK-47 came from." People are getting it. You just hang in there.

Oh, and hold on for a while until I find those videos for you.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:28 AM
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29. Can we face FACTS. The Libyan Gov. has AGREED TO INTERNATIONALLY SUPERVISED ELECTIONS. Rebels NOT.


There is so much propaganda and racist ego swirling around. It would be useful to look at facts.

The rebels are constantly attacking and blasting away -- they are NOT defenseless protesters.
They have never accepted peace mediation.
They rejected proposals for supervised elections
They rejected ceasefire proposals, most lately claiming that "time is not on our side."
They are allied with the former colonial powers and the completely AUTOCRATIC MONARCHIES of the
Arabian Gulf -- the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) who have either killed or "disappeared" protesters
in Bahrain and have banned protest in their own countries.

The whole "Libyan Revolution" is a constructed FRAUD.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:53 AM
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31. You've disappointed me.
But can we still go to Tripoli? I have some cool leaflets made up.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:34 AM
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33. lol
:crazy:
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:56 AM
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40. Pay him no mind
He's been shilling for the Gadaffi regime since his account activated (at least from what I can recall).

Another neo-Stalinist coming out of the woodwork.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:12 PM
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:03 PM
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42. The Libyan Government Has Also Said
that it was not killing civilians, that Qaddaffi was loved by the people, and that the original protesters were being manipulated by Al Qaida.

Personally, I don't blame the rebels for discounting any promises made by the government. They have seen the popular will defeated countless times at supposedly fair elections all across Africa and the Arab world.

But it seems like you agree with Qaddaffi's general viewpoint, provided that, I don't know -- Western powers? -- are substituted for Al Qaida.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:58 PM
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76. Why would the Libyan government agree to elections for expat CIA backed terrorists?
The OP has an article showing that the Libyan government still calls them "rats" on State TV and that the Libyan government will cleanse the country of them. It's clearly bullshit.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:21 PM
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84. Since Your Post Was About FACTS
Can you enlighten me about the word "constructed"?
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:39 AM
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20. AJE video report: Libya rebels seize border post
12:44pm

Footage has emerged showing armed rebels seizing a border post along Libya's national boundary with Tunisia. Waheed Burshan, a Tunis-based political activist, tells Al Jazeera's Nick Clark about the scene at the Wazin border crossing.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-22
or
http://youtu.be/-qQhrUdA6gg

I used the original title of course, but it's slightly misleading. Embedded in the report is some of the first discussion I've seen outside of these threads of the tactical and strategic value of the mountain range that runs from the Tunisian border to just north of Misrata. It's the "third front" where much of the fighting has occurred this week.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:37 AM
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37. tightening the noose
go rebels almost time for tripoli
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:39 AM
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23. Morocco says working on political deal for Libya
Morocco says working on political deal for Libya
Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:06pm GMT

RABAT, April 22 (Reuters) - Morocco is seeking a political solution to the Libyan crisis, an official source at the foreign ministry said on Friday after Moroccan officials met representatives of Muammar Gaddafi and rebels this week.

The source gave no details of how close any such deal might be or what it might entail.

"Morocco's efforts are limited to humanitarian aid and to working and contributing to reaching a political solution through dialogue," the source told Reuters.

Such solution should "respond to the aspirations of the Libyan people and ensure a return of stability which is extremely important for the Mediterranean and sub-Saharan Africa," the source added.

...

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73L0CY20110422?sp=true
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:45 AM
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24. Gambia recognises Libya rebel council
BANJUL, Apr 22, 2011 (AFP) - The west African state of Gambia said Friday it was recognising the rebel Transitional National Council as the only legitimate body representing Libyan interests, and expelling Tripoli's diplomats.

A statement from the presidency read on state broadcasting media also said Banjul was "freezing and closing all the assets in Gambia held on behalf or in the name of" Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi.

These assets include a multi-million dollar five-star hotel, the Jerma Beach, the Laico Atlantic Hotel in the capital, Banjul, said to be worth $18 million, and Dream Park, a children's amusement park, it said.

"This move is taken on account of the heinous atrocities that are being carried out by the Kadhafi regime against innocent citizens and which have seen to date massive loss of life and wanton destruction of properties in Libya," the statement said.

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http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidANA20110422T110447ZILZ01
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:09 AM
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25. Audio: Guardian’s Xan Rice about the opposition’s significant gains in Misrata
Posted on April 22, 2011 by admin

The GuardianThe opposition in Misrata has made some significant gains, driving back Gaddafi’s forces from several tall buildings in Misrata. The Guardian’s Xan Rice is in Misrata and has seen the badly damaged eight-storey office block that was home to a large number of Gaddafi’s snipers until yesterday. Xan witnessed the remains of their presence, such as “thousands of bullet casings, discarded uniform and, chillingly, graffiti promising never to forgive the city’s people and to return and punish them”.

It’s a big thing for the opposition fighters to have driven out the snipers from this building.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/audio-guardians-xan-rice-about-the-oppositions-significant-gains-in-misrata/

or

Guardian's Xan Rice in Misrata
about 3 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/337977-guardian-s-xan-rice-in-misrata
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:58 AM
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26. Violence ripples across Syria; 12 dead in protests
By the CNN Wire Staff
April 22, 2011 -- Updated 1355 GMT (2155 HKT)

(CNN) -- Security forces opened fire on demonstrators during mass protests in Syria on Friday, with witnesses reporting eight dead in the Damascus suburb of Douma and four killed in Homs.

This comes as thousands Syrian protesters defiantly marched after weekly Muslim prayers, another showing of mass discontent toward the government.

An opposition leader in Homs confirmed four deaths and more than 30 injuries as security forces fired on demonstrators. Protesters raced from the main streets for cover, but have taken refuge in smaller streets and alleys and are waiting for the atmosphere to calm. An eyewitness said one of those slain was a 41-year-old demonstrator who was shot in the neck.

A witness in Douma said eight people died and around 25 others were injured when security forces opened fire on several thousand protesters. Riot police and secret police comprised the security forces and a sniper on a hospital roof was seen taking shots at people. Pellets and lethal rounds were used, the witness said, as people chanted for the downfall of the regime.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/04/22/syria.unrest/
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:12 AM
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27. AJE Syria Live Blog - April 22
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 09:17 AM by Iterate
Syria Live Blog - April 22

4:49pm
A protester in the damascus suburb of Harasta says security forces have blocked all the main roads to prevent people from gathering and communicating.

"There was around 1,500 protesters. As soon as we started to gather in the main road around 3pm they started to attack us by using brutal force, including live ammunition. Four people were injured and arrested by the security forces. People have dispersed now and are hiding in the small streets because the security forces are hunting for people."

4:46pm
Latakia resident Mustafa tells Al Jazeera that the security forces have divided the city into three parts, to prevent people from meeting. They've built road blocks to separate the city and arrested people as they came out of Al Rahman mosque in the centre.

From what he knew, there'd been no use of live ammunition in the centre, but there were reports of live bullets being used in Kenanes street in the northeast of the city.

4:24pm
Activists are reporting up to 14 people killed in Homs alone.

4:20pm
25-year-old protester Mohammed Bassam al-Kahil has been shot and killed by security forces in Homs, according to activists.

An eyewitness described how a group of around 200 protesters, moving ahead of the main group of around 3,000 protestors, came under fire as they marched down Cairo Street, close to the Clock Square that has been a focal point for protests in the strategic central city.

"Suddenly the security opened fire on us randomly," he said.

The demonstration had begun with protesters gathering in different locations across the city rather than by the Grand Mosque where a heavy security presence had been deployed overnight.

There was no accurate number for those injured in the attack, the activist said, as heavy gunfire was continuing.

The eyewitness said the attack had succeeded in breaking up the demonstration but that protesters would attempt to regroup once the firing stopped.

4:13pm
Reports of a first protester killed in Damascus city.

4:04pm
Our correspondent Rula Amin says she's hearing that tens of thousands of people are heading towards the town of Azraa and that serious clashes are expected in the where seven people are already said to have been killed.

She also says security is tight in Damascus, where a small protest was held but quickly dispersed. "I've never seen this city like this before."

...

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/middle-east/syria-live-blog-april-22
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:28 AM
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30. This isn't the MENA area
It's from England. But it's still about uprisings against capitalist oppression. ;)

I was dismayed by the council and police reaction to a sustained peaceful protest that has existed against Tesco for over two years. Until this week Stokes Croft was the last remaining major high street in the West of England inhabited exclusively by independent establishments. Tesco moved in despite universal local disapproval in an area already surrounded by dozens of Tesco stores. Despite the palpable disquiet protests have been entirely peaceful. This was not a volatile situation until police moved in to the area in full riot dress with no explanation for kettleing stokes croft except “health and safety” and “something to do with Tescos”. As police entered “Telepathic Heights” rumour spread that more raids on houses were intended. As this was not an unlikely story due to recent dawn raids on protesters houses and confiscation of computers and books over the last (xmas) exam period the community barricaded the remaining entrances to stokes croft and the police responded by charging the barricades, apparently for no other reason than for a fight. This action alone provoked violence from the famously diverse, educated, peaceful, loving and pacifist community of Stokes Croft.


http://neurobonkers.com/?p=2509

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:35 AM
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36. Similar events in the rest of the world
seem to be popping up more frequently. Not that there were no protests before, just that the character has changed. It's hard to imagine that the Arab aspirations aren't contagious, that people somehow construct a wall around themselves and say "It's only for them".

I'll start keeping a better eye out for other protests as well. I think they do matter in this thread, because it defeats the claim that the Libyan revolution is somehow different (other than the level of repression) and uniquely inauthentic.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:20 AM
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32. Guardian: Syria update from "Katherine Marsh"

3.18pm: One more Syria update from Katherine Marsh:
Activists say at least 20 people have now been confirmed dead, shot by security forces, but they are suggesting the toll could be much higher. Some of the more recent deaths are in Moudamiya, a town in the rural area around Damascus that has seen demonstrations today.

Recently a young male protester from Moudamiyah who took part in the first protest there on 25 March explained to the Guardian how protests might spread: "I tasted freedom for the first time when I went out: it is an addictive feeling that my grandfather and father never had, and more people are now feeling."

The rising death toll is not a good sign for President Bashar al-Assad's regime: here, as in other countries that have risen up, bloodshed has only made protesters angrier, whilst it makes the recent pledges of reform ring hollow.

Earlier, Reem Haddad, a spokeswoman for the ministry of information told Al Jazeera: "I think if the people protest peacefully, if they cause no harm, if they don't burn or destroy, I think will allow them to do so , and I think after a certain time they will actually disperse them, tell them to go home." Responding to the question at what point forces would open fire on protesters, she said: "If they are shot at, which has been the case previously."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/22/libya-syria-middle-east-misrata-gaddafi
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:59 AM
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41. Reminds me of a clip in a music video about Egypt
With a Mubarak spokesperson saying "We can only tell them to go home. We cannot do more than that." followed by footage of a protester being killed by a sniper in a helicopter.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:35 AM
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34. Perdittas's interviews translated - April 22
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 10:51 AM by tabatha
http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/

P: So this is news until now, that is unconfirmed?
M: Yes, unconfirmed, however, I can guarantee that the FFs in misrata are prepared completely. We will not make the same grave mistakes that we made when the Military Council gave that orders regarding the air on Thursday, and on Friday morning, more than 65 tanks had entered misrata, and 3000 soldiers and mercenaries entered and committed many massacres, in an intense fighting.

P: That means that today experienced intense bombings?
M: Yes, today, Thursday, at exactly 4am morning, in Misrata, the city had never seen this before, we experienced very intense bombings, the FFs began to pray, chanting, God is Great, they don’t have anything else, any other solution with GRAD bombings, random bombings, causing severe atrocities, from 4-7am, more than 200 bombings.

P: With regard the civilians, were they safe?
M: In areas like Walad Al Baaou, there are still civilians there, as far as the rest of the city, the civilians, because of the bombings intensity, 90% are destroyed.

P: Regarding the hospitals, what can you tell us?
M: Gaddafi’s forces destroyed the central hospital, which has been under construction, and the private hospitals and Hospital Al Hikma, have been destroyed, therefore, the clinics have been used, which are minimally supplied. The medical staff here are being bombarded by the GRAD bombs.


Some fraud.

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 10:35 AM
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35. K&r
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:01 AM
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38. Study reports widespread rape in Libya by Gaddafi forces

Q: Dr., can you confirm this news of these rape cases?
A: Yes, there are numerous cases, in numerous Libyan regions. In Benghazi, we conducted a psychological study for the Libyan families, these are families coming from Ijdabiyah, and Brega stretching from Saloom to Benghazi. There are about 100,000 families in the study, with an average of 8 individuals in each family. There are more than 235 documented cases. Now with regard to the lab results, for the HIV and Hepatitis viruses, they will take about a month to complete. We have about 4000 children affected by these atrocities, bombings, and the rapes which they have witnessed, of others and their mothers. Concerning the children and the elderly, they are extremely mentally traumatized. The study has not yet concluded and the results are not out yet.

Q: Dr., can you describe the events of the rapes committed by these soldiers?
A: These vary, per individual case, each women has her own story, some groups were taken to the desert and raped there, some were raped in front of their families, more than once, by more than one person. With regard to hallucinogens, nothing can be confirmed. Yet all of the women confirmed that it was Gaddafi’s forces who raped them.

Q: Dr., which regions would you say contain the most documented cases?
A: The study involves only Ijdabiyah and Brega, we have yet to know about the West, Misrata, Kufra, which is still under Gaddafi’s control. I am estimating thousands, the results will entail. We are a conservative Middle Eastern society, some don’t want to come forward, we tell them to talk, and that they don’t have to tell us their names, some have even withdrawn from the study, because of their extremely disturbed mental state.

Q: Dr., what would you like to say following the events and what has been committed by Gaddafi’s forces?
A: We are acting solely on humanitarian efforts, to help those in need. Yet, I have to say, that this is all unbelievable, it is very difficult to understand, what does he want? Does he want to scare people? Because people won’t be, they’ve broken down the fear barrier. There is nothing more to say about this, no other way of describing this. It’s like we’re living in prehistoric times. Even the ment of religion need to lend their support, they have to send out fatwas, on this matter, emphasizing that husbands should not leave their wives and girls should go on to get married. These women are all victims of war, and they should be seen themselves as martyrs.

http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/



These women are completely helpless and defenseless.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:34 AM
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39. Brave old man - from live2Tripoli
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 11:35 AM by tabatha

Brave Old Man
The old man with the white beard on the left is 72 years old. He was recently freed from Muammar's men's grasp and has not seen sunlight for 11 years.
He was decisive in the outcome of the battle that secured the Libyan Tunisian border near Tatawin south of Tunisia.
They say he was amazing at aiming.




Determined
This young man kept asking me to take pictures of him. It's really changed compared to before where cameras were not welcome in Libya.
Most of the Freedom Fighters are people who've never held a weapon before. Still they are extremely determined to defend their land and take out Muammar.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/61235870@N07/5641332843/in/contacts/


Note - this Flickr account, live2Tripoli, has disabled downloading. Hence I have copied just one picture for illustration purposes. The photostream is interesting and worth checking:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/61235870@N07/

live2Tripoli also has a fairly new YouTube account:

http://www.youtube.com/user/live2Tripoli?feature=mhum
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:30 PM
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48. Remarkable find, remarkable series.
Looking through it I couldn't help but think about how Benghazi has transformed itself into one giant Tahrir Square of spontaneous democratic self-organization. When Tripoli sees what Benghazi knows it will be a bad day for the Colonel.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 12:32 PM
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44. NATO REPORT - April 21
Air Operations
Since the beginning of the NATO operation (31 March 2011, 08.00GMT) a total of 3,300 sorties and 1,373 strike sorties* have been conducted.
Sorties conducted 21 April: 152
Strike sorties conducted 21 April: 62
*Strike sorties are intended to identify and engage appropriate targets, but do not necessarily deploy munitions each time.

Key Targets and Engagements**
21 April: In vicinity of Tripoli: 8 ammunition storage bunkers.
In vicinity of Misurata: 1 tank, 1 anti-aircraft gun.
In vicinity of Zintan: 1 military vehicle.
In vicinity of Ajdabiya: 4 tanks, 5 military vehicles.
In vicinity of Brega: 2 tanks, 1 multiple rocket launcher.
In vicinity of Mizdah: 5 ammunition storage bunkers.
In vicinity of Sirte: 4 military trucks.
**Key Engagements are not intended to give a complete account of all targets which were engaged.

Arms Embargo Activities
A total of 18 ships under NATO command are actively patrolling the Central Mediterranean.
40 vessels were hailed on 21 April to determine destination and cargo. 2 boarding and 0 diversions were conducted.
A total of 524 vessels have been hailed and 13 boardings and 5 diversions have been conducted since the beginning of arms embargo operations.

International Humanitarian Assistance Movements as recorded by NATO
Total of Humanitarian Movements***: 102 (air, ground, maritime)
Ships delivering Humanitarian Assistance 21 April: 10 in execution.
Aircraft delivering Humanitarian Assistance 21 April: 3
***Some humanitarian movements cover several days.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:20 PM
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45. Qatar building field hospital in Tunisia near Libya border to treat casualties
A Qatari military aircraft has arrived in Tunisia to build an advanced field hospital at Al-Zahabiyah area, near the border with Libya to treat people injured in Al-Gaddafi brigades attacks.

The plane is carrying a medical team, the first batch of equipment the hospital, 25 tonnes of medicines, medical supplies and ambulances.

6:53pm:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-22
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:21 PM
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46. Why the West need not fear Libya's Islamic warriors
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 01:22 PM by tabatha

Many Libyan rebels are devout Muslims; some have even supported Al Qaeda against US troops abroad. But Western support has raised their opinion of the US.

By Dan Murphy, Staff writer / April 22, 2011
Derna, Libya

But many Libyans say this holy city will pose a threat only if Qaddafi is able to once again brutally suppress this uprising the way he did a smaller one in the late 1990s.

Mr. Hasadi dismisses the idea that Al Qaeda will somehow take root amid the Libyan unrest.

“I thought badly of the US before, that’s true,” says Hasadi. “But that’s changing now – they’re standing with us against Qaddafi.”

He says jitters about pious fighters from Derna seeking to impose on Libya the harsh brand of Islamist rule favored by Al Qaeda just play into Qaddafi’s hands.

“Qaddafi likes to try to make us out to be Al Qaeda, to discredit us,” says Hasadi. “What do I want? Three basic rights: a constitution, freedom, justice. No more one-man rule. Is that what Al Qaeda wants? Really, having a beard and being a Muslim doesn’t make you Al Qaeda.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0422/Why-the-West-need-not-fear-Libya-s-Islamic-warriors
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:44 PM
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52. I'm still trying to figure this out
Because I've been finding cool people on Twitter, socialists and anarchists who are way beyond the "liberals", and they still buy into Gaddafi's propaganda.

I simply can't understand it. Is it that they're so invested in the ideology that all US military intervention ever is bad and wrong that cognitive dissonance comes into play and they grab at any evidence to shore up their ideology, even if that means believing in propaganda? Which these are people who pride themselves on seeing past propaganda, on not swallowing the BS, but they eat Gaddafi's BS right up.

It's useful for keeping me thinking for myself. Because I'll find somebody and read their tweets and their blog and start to feel like I should adopt some of their positions, like I should think more like they do. And then they pop up with some Gaddafi propaganda conspiracy theory on Libya, and I'm like - okay, I need to go back through everything you said with my BS detector on and your view of the world is not actually superior to mine.

I suppose these people also side with the upper class in Bahrain and think that the protesters there are agents from Iran stirring up trouble. And I suppose the Yemenis are also Al Qaeda, and the Syrians are all CIA agents, and the people in Oman are being paid by KFC, and the Iraqis are definitely secret Nescafe agents, and so on.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:58 PM
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54. You seem to be a very open-minded, truth-seeking, reflective person.
One who does not jump to conclusions on bumper-sticker type statements.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:02 PM
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73. I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head /nt
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:37 PM
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81. "anarchists" who buy in to Gaddafi's propaganda aren't in my book.
It's fucking shades of the Kronstadt Rebellion all over again, and if any libertarian socialist knows the history of rebellion against a state, they'd recognize all of the veiled slanders against a peoples who want to rid themselves of a tyrant.

BTW, yes, they do buy in to the Syrian propaganda. It's all becuse Syria and Libya are in the Venezuela love circle jerk, and if anyone says anything bad about those states, it must be untrue. If it's a US friendly state like Yemen or Bahrain then it must be true, naturally.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 11:30 PM
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87. It's reflexive cynicism
The Libyan resistance has been willing to face horrific violence and make endless sacrifices to win their freedom, and because the West has sided with them they're dismissed as stormtroopers of imperialism.

It just doesn't occur to them that there may be a time when western interests, and those of people legitimately fighting a tyrant for their freedom, might intertwine.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 01:22 PM
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47. Kick and recommend.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:34 PM
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49. On the Ground With a Libyan Fighter
http://youtu.be/25mMPG8ytMs

AP video journalist Raul Gallego on the ground with fighters taking on Moammar Gadhafi. (April 22)

:cry:
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:50 PM
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75. I think the fellow in this video makes a great spokesperson
Definitely worth the 3 minutes to watch.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:23 AM
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88. Why does he remind me so much of Mo Nabbous?
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:34 PM
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50. Qatari military aircraft has arrived in Tunisia to build an advanced field hospital at Al-Zahabiyah
6:53pm
A Qatari military aircraft has arrived in Tunisia to build an advanced field hospital at Al-Zahabiyah area, near the border with Libya to treat people injured in Al-Gaddafi brigades attacks.

The plane is carrying a medical team, the first batch of equipment the hospital, 25 tonnes of medicines, medical supplies and ambulances.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-22
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:41 PM
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51. I think our involvement in Libya is shameful.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 02:53 PM
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53. Freedom and justice are the most fundamental rights of all human beings
And Desmond Tutu understands this:

“If Africa’s leaders held their peers to account there would be no need for the people of Libya to suffer human rights violations,” said founder of the Desmond Tutu Peace Centre, Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu. “And there would be no need for United Nations sanctioned military interventions in Libya.

“Instead, Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has for more than 40 years honed his skills in the art of resource management to win friends and influence people. And as a result, Africa seems powerless to stop him.

“The scenes of brutality being meted out with sophisticated weaponry by Libyan security forces against their own civilian population make God weep. With every blow they strike, each human rights abuse they perpetrate, they bring shame on Africa,” Archbishop Tutu said.

“As South Africans, we are acutely conscious of the value of human rights and democracy. We prosecuted a noble struggle against a morally corrupt and brutal apartheid regime, emerging as an example to the world in the fields of peaceful settlement, peacekeeping and reconciliation.

“The South African government took the moral position last week of supporting United Nations Resolution 1973 on Libya. Now, it should go a step further and urgently and unequivocally condemn the violence being perpetrated against Libyans.


http://allafrica.com/stories/201103210790.html


Is it shameful to support those who want freedom and democracy from a brutal tyrant? No!
I saw the brutal effects of apartheid first hand, and I can guarantee that Libyans would have found it less brutal than the Gaddafi dictatorship.
I would be ashamed if we did not help the Libyans. Period.

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:01 PM
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55. Libyans complain arms embargo hits trade, fishing
Libyans complain arms embargo hits trade, fishing
Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:27pm GMT

TRIPOLI, April 22 (Reuters) - Only two ships have docked at Tripoli's once-bustling port since mid-March and a NATO-enforced arms embargo is strangling trade, Libya's coast guard and port officials say.

NATO ships and planes in the Mediterranean are helping enforce a United Nations arms embargo against Muammar Gaddafi's government, monitoring, searching and -- if they see fit -- diverting vessels suspected of carrying arms or mercenaries.

NATO said only five ships had been denied access to Libyan ports since the weapons embargo took effect on March 23.

"It is not for NATO to stop basic goods, or food and medical shipments," NATO spokesperson Oana Lungescu said in an e-mailed comment. "Humanitarian assistance going to Libya, including Tripoli, is not impeded and will not be impeded."

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73L0JX20110422?sp=true

I'm sure the headline will be used and misused by people who don't bother to read it, but the content is interesting, if not downright puzzling.
I suspect this means the embargo must be having an effect.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:12 PM
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56. Yes, they have daily reports of how many were diverted
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 03:13 PM by tabatha
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:33 PM
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57. Growing discontent, armed attacks in Tripoli
By KARIN LAUB and MAGGIE MICHAEL
Associated Press

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) -- Moammar Gadhafi's opponents unfurl a rebel flag from a highway overpass in the dark and speed away. On the outskirts of the capital, masked protesters denounce the Libyan leader, then quickly disband. The pop of gunfire is heard almost every evening, some of it, according to dissidents, from sneak attacks on army checkpoints.

Furtive resistance is the best those seeking Gadhafi's ouster can muster, under the heavy weight of fear in the most important stronghold of his rule. But the fact that such small-scale actions are taking place at all is a sign that activists are still trying to bring the rebellion to the capital, even after Gadhafi's forces gunned down demonstrators two months ago.

...

In another neighborhood of Tripoli, a 22-year-old woman approached a reporter in a clothing store. "Don't believe what these people say," the young woman said in English, after overhearing two middle-aged customers say in Arabic that life in Tripoli was normal.

The young woman, a bride-to-be wearing a headscarf and floor-length skirt, walked away from the other shoppers and pretended to be searching a rack of night gowns. Speaking in English, she said her brother has been missing since police opened fire on protesters last week. Clearly fearful that the other shoppers might report her, she then walked back to the front and said loudly in Arabic that the people are behind Gadhafi.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_LIBYA_TRIPOLI?SITE=NMALJ&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 03:46 PM
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58. Audio: Guardian’s Xan Rice about the opposition’s significant gains in Misrata
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 04:29 PM by tabatha
Posted on April 22, 2011 by admin

The GuardianThe opposition in Misrata has made some significant gains, driving back Gaddafi’s forces from several tall buildings in Misrata. The Guardian’s Xan Rice is in Misrata and has seen the badly damaged eight-storey office block that was home to a large number of Gaddafi’s snipers until yesterday. Xan witnessed the remains of their presence, such as “thousands of bullet casings, discarded uniform and, chillingly, graffiti promising never to forgive the city’s people and to return and punish them”.

It’s a big thing for the opposition fighters to have driven out the snipers from this building.

http://www.libyafeb17.com/2011/04/audio-guardians-xan-rice-about-the-oppositions-significant-gains-in-misrata/

("Xan Rice grew up in South Africa. He has been east Africa correspondent of the Guardian newspaper since 2006. Before that he worked for the Times. Xan is a contributing writer of the New Statesman magazine, and his long-form writing has also appeared in Granta, Observer Sport Monthly, Observer Magazine and Inside Story. He lives with his family in Nairobi, Kenya." I.E. He is not funded by Murdoch, Saudi Arabia, GCC, Qatar, Abu Dahbi, Dubai, Al Jazeera, etc.)
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:01 PM
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59. LPC audio from Zintan
These are from two days ago, but still newsworthy. We now know how the border fight turned out.

From feb17voices

LPC #Zintan: morale low bc supplies low. Jokes gas shortage is good for health, forcing ppl to walk. 2 days ago
http://audioboo.fm/boos/336900-lpc-zintan-morale-low-bc-supplies-low-jokes-gas-shortage-is-good-for-health-forcing-ppl-to-walk-libya

Yes, he really did say that.

LPC #Zintan: Hospitals are poorly equipped "no good hospitals in the western mountains." 2 days ago
http://audioboo.fm/boos/336909-lpc-zintan-hospitals-are-poorly-equipped-no-good-hospitals-in-the-western-mountains-libya

One of the posts earlier today mentions a military hospital being setup in Tunisia.

LPC #Zintan: NATO strike on #Gaddafi forces north of the city around 5pm Wednesday. 2 days ago
http://audioboo.fm/boos/336956-lpc-zintan-nato-strike-on-gaddafi-forces-north-of-the-city-around-5pm-wednesday-libya-feb17


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:08 PM
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60. LPC #Tripoli: criminal prisoners freed in Feb. 2 make space 4 political prisoners, given money & gun
LPC #Tripoli: criminal prisoners freed in Feb. 2 make space 4 political prisoners, given money & guns
about 21 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/337803-lpc-tripoli-criminal-prisoners-freed-in-feb-2-make-space-4-political-prisoners-given-money-guns-libya

Do note the date February 2nd.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:11 PM
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61. LPC #Tripoli: Attacks on checkpoints by anti Gaddafi groups is increasing in Tripoli.
LPC #Tripoli: Attacks on checkpoints by anti #Gaddafi groups is increasing in Tripoli.
about 20 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/337811-lpc-tripoli-attacks-on-checkpoints-by-anti-gaddafi-groups-is-increasing-in-tripoli-libya-feb17

45 and 50 year-old women being used at the checkpoints?
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:17 PM
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62. LPC #Tripoli: There have been 1,250 arrests in Tripoli and surrounding area from April 14-19.
From feb17voices

LPC #Tripoli: There have been 1,250 arrests in Tripoli and surrounding area from April 14-19.
about 20 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/337815-lpc-tripoli-there-have-been-1-250-arrests-in-tripoli-and-surrounding-area-from-april-14-19-libya-feb17

"...at least 20,000 held prisoners here..."
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 04:23 PM
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63. LPC from #Tripoli relays account from Zawiya of rebels ambushing Gaddafi security forces.
LPC from #Tripoli relays account from #Zawiya of rebels ambushing #Gaddafi security forces.
about 20 hours ago

http://audioboo.fm/boos/337818-lpc-from-tripoli-relays-account-from-zawiya-of-rebels-ambushing-gaddafi-security-forces-libya-feb17
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:02 PM
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64. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, joshcryer.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 05:30 PM
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65. First Publications from the Nafousa Mountains
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 05:31 PM by tabatha


April 21, 2011 - in Arabic and Berber
Since one week, a team in the Nafusa Mountains has managed to reactivate existing internet connections.

We were very lucky to speak with them. They have been very active since the first day of the revolution. They have created published and distributed newletters and now a magazine.

Mountain Nefusa Media Group bulletin (issue 1 and 2) Issue 3, for the city of Ifran is published as a magazine.

These publications are in both Tamazight (berber) and arabic – A historic premiere in Libya, as for decennies the Berber community has been persecuted, and their cultural identity repressed.

This is a concerted effort of preserving the Tamazight language and identity in Libya and within their community of the Nafusa Mountains.

http://globalrelieflibya.org/news/first-publications-from-the-nafousa-mountains-in-arabic-and-berber/



All Hearts Beating as One - video of world support for Libya
http://globalrelieflibya.org/news/all-hearts-beating-as-one/
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:14 PM
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66. Libya army may quit Misrata fight due to airstrikes
Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:55pm GMT

TRIPOLI, April 22 (Reuters) - Libya's deputy foreign minister said on Friday Muammar Gaddafi's army may quit fighting in Misrata because of NATO airstrikes and allow local tribes to lead the fight against rebels.

Khaled Kaim said the army was meeting with local tribes who would try to talk to the rebels first. If dialogue fails, the tribes would fight the rebels in Libya's third largest city.

Kaim told reporters that the tribes had told the army: "if you can't do it, we will do it."

"Now there is an ultimatum before the Libyan army. If they can't resolve the problem in Misrata then the people from the region... will move in," he said.

...

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE73L0NH20110422?sp=true
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:24 PM
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68. Tweets in reply to the news
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Maybe you're forgetting that up to this morning, Gaddafi's TV was saying they control 80% of Misrata.. LOL.. why withdraw then? #libya
vor 53 Minuten via web

@ChangeInLibya gaddafi is embarrassed he got beat clean, So he is just going to keep his lies going- inshallah akherla kidba
vor 53 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
There's no such thing as a "withdrawal".. all of their troops within the city got killed and are surrendering. Good riddance

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Guys, the last thing Gaddafi wants is to let Misrata's neighbours help Misrata. He just wants to buy time for another attack, that's all

http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:20 PM
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78. LOL, it's hilarious, really.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 06:31 PM
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67. Live call from Nafusa Mountains, April 23
Live call to the Yefren Media Center, located in the Nafusa Mountains, recorded live on Libya Alhurra, discussing the current situation in the area.

http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/
or
http://youtu.be/y2W3iGVXg7E
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:32 PM
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69. Tweets: Bani Walid from @ChangeInLibya
Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Bani Walid: Source says that a battle took place between Gaddafi brigades and roughly 90 of the city's youth and freedomfighters #libya
vor 48 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Bani Walid: There were casualties or injuries on both sides & this comes after the city gave shelter to families fleeing from Misrata

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Bani Walid: People and youth are very scared in Bani Walid from any Gaddafi reprisals and are now trying to organize themselves #libya
vor 48 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Bani Walid: This comes after the youth of the city destroyed tanker trucks for 4 days in a row trying to reinforce Gaddafi tanks in Misrata
vor 47 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Sorman: Sources also say that clashes took place between Khweldi Alhmedi's brigade (G relative) and FreedomFighters there #libya #feb17
vor 47 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
Sorman is west of Zawiya and Bani Walid is south west of Misrata and controls one of the main supply routes for Gaddafi #libya #feb17
vor 46 Minuten via web

Mhalwes
@ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
If the revolution is spreading to Bani Walid and Sorman, two areas that were pretty damn quiet in the early days.. then this is good news..
vor 47 Minuten via web
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:50 PM
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70. The AFP news agency reports that pro-Gaddafi forces will be leaving Misurata
12:26am

The AFP news agency reports that pro-Gaddafi forces will be leaving Misurata:

The Libyan army will withdraw from Misurata and leave local tribes to resolve the conflict in the country's third largest city either by talks or through force, the deputy foreign minister said Friday.

'The situation in Misrata will be dealt with by the tribes around Misurata and Misurata's residents and not by the Libyan army,' Khaled Kaim told journalists.

'We will leave the tribes around Misrata and Misrata's people to deal with the situation, either using force or negotiation.'

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-april-23
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 07:57 PM
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71. Explosions, planes heard in Tripoli; rebels seize border crossing
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Large explosions and the sound of jets over Tripoli Thursday night indicated NATO has likely increased the intensity of its air strikes on Moammar Gadhafi's key command and control military sites.

CNN's Fred Pleitgen, reporting from Libya, heard at least three major explosions.

The alliance has issued a new warning to Libyan civilians to stay away from military areas, foreshadowing plans for attacks on targets seen as strategically significant in stopping the government's attacks against civilians, a NATO military official said Thursday.

The next phase will largely involve increased air strikes on key Gadhafi command, control and communications sites in and around Tripoli, although targets in other areas could be hit as well, said the official, who declined to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter.

...

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/21/libya.fighting/index.html

video report by CNN's Fred Pleitgen and text of the day's events
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:00 PM
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72. Ajdabiya honours fallen British photojournalist
Edited on Fri Apr-22-11 08:25 PM by Iterate
Ajdabiya honours fallen British photojournalist
By Sue Turton on April 22nd, 2011.

They didn’t name a street after Tim. Instead they chose the biggest square in Ajdabiya. If the rebels win this war, it will be forever known as Tim Hetherington Square.

He’s not alone. There’s a Sarkozy quarter too. But everyone still left in this devastated city now knows who Tim was, where he died and why he will always be remembered here.

This mild-mannered photojournalist made quite an impact on Dr Suleiman Refardi, the leading surgeon at Ajdabiya’s main hospital. Many journalists have visited him in the past month. It’s about the only place that stayed open whoever was in control of the streets.

Before the doctors and nurses left their posts to march to the square to commemorate it in Tim’s honour, the doctor remembered his professionalism: “Tim Hetherington was one of the people transmitting the light of truth. The camera of Tim Hetherington is as strong as any cannon on the front.”

“We have named the square after this hero and I now consider Tim as one of our martyrs.”

...

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/04/22/ajdabiya-honours-fallen-british-photojournalist

ETA photo:
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MedleyMisty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:27 PM
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80. They show us such honor
And I see Americans calling them a distraction, entertainment, Al Qaeda, CIA agents, whatever.

Americans 0, Libyans 1,000,000,000

I am honestly beginning to wonder if it's humanity envy, if Americans hate on the Libyans because the Libyans make them feel inferior, because the Libyans show a spirit and a honor and a solidarity that outshines us all.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:50 PM
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82. Sometimes I don't like to see the next day's thread replace the old
because I see a post like yours here and want to take off on a tangent and think about it for a couple of days.

As an experiment, I've cut myself off from (almost) all US media for nearly 5 months now. I still follow links in DU, but nothing else. So in a way, I'm shielded for the moment from the worst of what people think. I'm afraid of what I might find when I turn that tap back on.

And that's also one reason why I don't put much stock in the "you must be manipulated by (fill-in-the-blank) media" arguments.

From what we've seen so far, from them and not from any media outlet, is that once it is over, we can have good reason to expect that we'll be privileged witnesses to a real cultural flourishing as they rejoin the Mediterranean community.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:53 PM
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83. I'll post it in the new thread. And I request both you and MedleyMisty to repost your comments.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 08:49 PM
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74. @libyansrevolt: Misrata is now mostly liberated except for a small area around the old hospital
Libyans Revolt
@libyansrevolt Libyans Revolt
Misrata is now mostly liberated except for a small area around the old hospital #libya #feb17
vor 1 Stunde via Twitter for Mac

http://twitter.com/#!/libyansrevolt
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:01 PM
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77. Libyan Rebels Buoyed by Strategic Win
Libyan Rebels Buoyed by Strategic Win
By CHARLES LEVINSON

MISRATA, Libya—Rebel fighters in this besieged city hoisted their flag atop the roof of the Libya Insurance Co. on Friday capping a month long battle for the strategically and symbolically important office tower.

In the past month of fighting, the nine-story bullet-scarred building became the emblematic heart of the battle for this city.

The building marked the deepest point Mr. Gadhafi's forces penetrated into downtown Misrata in mid-March. Ever since it has served as a nest for Mr. Gadhafi's sniper teams.

Its capture on Friday gave a boost to a city that is waging a gritty fight against a siege of artillery, rockets, and cluster bombs for over two months.

...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703907004576279221224273238.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-11 09:27 PM
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79. Day 65 here:
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