The Democratic Party is committing suicide right before our eyes.

[kentuck]

They seem to have no idea what they stand for or what they should stand for. They are swimming with the current.

If the Repubs and their media friends say the deficits are too high and we need to cut Medicare or Social Security, Democrats ask how they can find the middle ground? They have no desire to defend any of the programs that Democrats fought so hard to get for so many years.

They now work in "gangs". They find the most conservative Democrats to go with the most obstinate Republicans and look to work out a deal. Nothing good this way comes.

Democrats in Washington have lost their way. At this late minute, the President takes on the wealthy and their taxcuts. Oh, but if we had fought the battle when it was in front of us instead of surrendering, we would be in such a better position right now.

What do Democrats believe in? Do they believe in protecting our elderly? Do they believe in helping our poor? Do they believe in helping the sick? Do you know for sure? Without any doubts?

The current is getting much stronger. Only the strong will survive. Many will drown. Whose side are you on?

[mfcorey1]

1. I disagree. The problem is when people subscribe to every theory that pops up, especially when

it is being pushed as fact. Throw out the line and see what you catch with the theory.

[fasttense]

2. The Democratic party shoot themselves in the foot when they didn't prosecute

the bushes, Cheney or any RepubliCON for torture, war crimes, stock market manipulation, mortgage fraud and anti-trust law violations.

By ignoring the illegal activity they guaranteed, it would continue, all the stolen loot would remain in the hands of the criminals which allowed them to get stronger and more powerful.

The RepubliCONS would be mere shadows of themselves if they had been tried for their crimes.

[markpkessinger]

3. It started way before that...

...It started in the wake of the '94 midterms, when the DLC was permitted to set the direction of the party and it became "Republican Lite."

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. Now *this* is what you call FACT! BRILLIANT!! +1,000,000,000!!!

[Scuba]

8. Bingo.

[lunatica]

4. It pays to watch what politicians do and ignore what they say

Actions truly speak louder than words. None of the Republican governors who are now doing their best to destroy unions and Family Planning in their states said a thing about what they're doing when they ran for election, yet they all followed the exact same agenda step by step. It's all been planned, or as some would say, it's a conspiracy.

It is a conspiracy. A plan hatched from their wealthy donors who have also gotten together for years to manipulate the system in order to get their agenda. That's called a conspiracy.

My point is that we need to watch what Democrats do in spite of or because of their words and their promises. Adults know what the problem is, but politicians never make a move without an ulterior motive. Never.

[cali]

7. I don't ignore what my reps say.

and yeah, I pretty much trust them to do the right thing. All three of them.

[cali]

5. more hyperbole and overwrought verbiage

I'm pretty disgusted with many of the DC dems but the party is hardly committing suicide. And there are a lot of dems fighting the good fight in DC. The Progressive Caucus, for example.

[TheKentuckian]

9. Are they a significant opposing gravity from the Third Way Corporatist?

If not then fighting the good fight is not significantly effective in influencing the direction of the party.

I'd also argue that when they have the chance to exert power and project strength inside the party they always fold and give the Third Way crappers their way.

Yeah, there is a relatively healthy portion of the party but they have very limited power over the dead and dying parts and what power they have they will not use.

Simply said they don't ever say no and they never walk away from the table and they sure as hell never kill a bill or at least force concessions.

In the end they pout and do what leadership says.

[cali]

10. yes. bernie sanders and peter welch most certainly are.

and no, they don't pout or always follow leadership. not by a long shot. granted, I have what may well be the best congressional delegation in the Congress.

[TheKentuckian]

14. I'm talking the progressive caucus, at large. They are serial folders.

Your specific representation is not enough to keep the party viable and working for the common good.

I'm not saying they don't try but you can't base the health or the direction of the party on the exceptions.

[kelly1mm]

18. I agree, you cannot count on the progressive caucus to keep to their word.

Remember the big deal they made about signing a pledge not to support HCR if it did not include a public option? How did that work out .....

[babylonsister]

6. Don't look up! The sky might bong you on the head! nt

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Says a person with 100% rights

The McClurkin Faith Based Voters group meets in the chapel, off the lobby.

[FiveGoodMen]

17. Don't open your eyes! You might see reality.

[Erose999]

11. I think the leaders of the party (DLC corporatists) are really only focused on "winning" at the

expense of principles. Much like this guy:



Maybe Obama can co-opt that as his campaign slogan in 2012.

[madrchsod]

15. will one blue dog go down in flames the next election....?

http://progressillinois.com/quick-hits/content/2011/04/20/conservative-lipinski-draws-well-funded-primary-challenger

seems old danny boy better get out of the neo liberal clown car..

[Poboy]

16. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?

Mark 8:36

[Odin2005]

19. Suicide? It's already a zombie. A CORPORATE zombie.

It was murdered in the 80s by the DLC.

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[autorank]

20. k*r Entirely correct and that is the right question

Fighting the battle after the fact with words only - after you've accepted the assumptions of the
other side - that doesn't work.

The party needs to find it's real voice, which is to say, the voice of the majority.

[Kermitt Gribble]

21. More like an assisted suicide.

An assisted suicide being performed on the party of FDR by the "New Democrat" party.

[Zorra]

22. I'm on the same side Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich are on.

Most of the Progressive Caucus is with us too, I think.

Other than that, who knows anymore.

[rhett o rick]

24. As long as this war is framed as the Repukes vs. the Dem's, we will continue to lose ground.

The War for the American Dream is a war between the Financial Elite and the lower classes. Many Democratic leaders are members in good standing of the Financial Elite Class. They do not represent us in the lower classes